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post #1 of 10 Old 12-07-2019, 08:56 PM - Thread Starter
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$600 for a sub

Can I find something better than a Rel T5i for $600? This is for 2 channel stereo only and no HT use. I only have a pair or bookshelf speakers that go down to about 55hz according to specs and it's a small room about 10x10. I'm planning to use the high level input on the Rel.
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post #2 of 10 Old 12-07-2019, 11:24 PM
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Can I find something better than a Rel T5i for $600? This is for 2 channel stereo only and no HT use. I only have a pair or bookshelf speakers that go down to about 55hz according to specs and it's a small room about 10x10. I'm planning to use the high level input on the Rel.
Rythmik has the option of an amp with high-level inputs ...

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/amplifiers.html

I would contact them to discuss your needs.

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Can I find something better than a Rel T5i for $600? ...
T/5i
- 8" driver
- 125W (RMS/continuous) amp
- "6dB at 32 Hz"

Yup:
SVS SB-1000 ($500, shipped)
- 12" driver
- 300W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 24Hz +0/-6dB

RSL Speedwoofer ($400, shipped)
- 10" driver
- 350W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 24Hz +0/-6dB
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SVS SB12-NSD can still be had for 399.00 via Amazon, or you can still get the PB12 for 499.00 direct through SVS. Hard to beat either at their price point imo.

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I am a big fan of Rythmik, but at your price point, I believe you should take a different alternative. The biggest issue you are going to have is your room. You have a square 10'x10' room which means your modes will be doubled up leading to some huge bass peaks and suckouts. Specifically, you have stacked modes in the bass at 56hz, 90hz, 112hz, and 125hz (there are more further up but they become less of a factor). As such, with any subwoofer you are going to have some big peaks and suckouts that will result in some stuff sounding very boomy and other stuff like the bass is missing.

The best remedy is to get the SVS SB12-NSD or RSL suggested (I would lean towards the SVS) and take the remaining $200 and purchase a Mini DSP 2x4 and UMIK-1. First with careful setup (try the crawl method), then using the UMIK to measure and the Mini DSP as your crossover and parametric eq, you will be able to significantly knock down the peak modes. You will need to spend time reading how to use the Mini DSP and REW with the UMIK, but done properly, will give you better sound than you will get with any sub, regardless of price, without.

The most important thing to keep in mind when using DSP and equalization is that the equalization is primary used to knock down the peaks. It is nearly impossible to equalize the nulls and will often result in overdriving the subwoofer. As such, you really never want to use more than about 3db of boost. If you use only jriver or roon for your music sources, you could skip the Mini DSP, measure and manually equalize in jriver or roon.

Finally, you could use room treatments to help with the bass issues, but it will be expensive and take up a lot of room, as room treatments that control bass need a lot of space. A hemoltz resonator would work for you 56hz peak, but again, expensive and takes space.
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I have the same budget as you, but a 12x12 room, which opens up into the kitchen. The layout of the room is weird. I’ve been thinking of the REL also.
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I have the same budget as you, but a 12x12 room, which opens up into the kitchen. The layout of the room is weird. I’ve been thinking of the REL also.
An open room has to include the volume of the adjacent rooms. The REL is a lot of money for what you get and the SVS, RSL, HSU and Rythmik all represent subs that will have the same or better sound quality, and better extension and output capability. The REL is a $200 sub with a pretty enclosure and the REL name.
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An open room has to include the volume of the adjacent rooms. The REL is a lot of money for what you get and the SVS, RSL, HSU and Rythmik all represent subs that will have the same or better sound quality, and better extension and output capability. The REL is a $200 sub with a pretty enclosure and the REL name.
Do you think it would be better to place the sub closer to the adjacent room or the opposite side near the wall?
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REL HT series, HT/1003 (24hz) $499 and HT/1205 (22hz) $699. Heard the 1205 compared to SVS SB 2000, REL Ti9. Preferred the HT 1205 in short session with music and movie. More movie capabilities than the Ti9, still good with music, seemed tighter and more controlled than SVS PB 2000. Would like to investigate further, especially if there was a way to compare to Rythmik. Overall, might be another reasonably priced alternate to the REL Ti5 with a similar family sound
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Do you think it would be better to place the sub closer to the adjacent room or the opposite side near the wall?
The short is without a drawing of the room it is impossible to suggest.
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