Originally Posted by JimWilson
Appearance doesn't have anything to do with sound
Interesting. So you don't agree that one can infer something about the midrange polar response of a loudspeaker with a 10" woofer and a 3/4" tweeter on a 180Âº waveguide? Or worse, you deny midrange polars have anything to do with sound?
Perhaps you don't have the experience or expertise necessary to draw reasonable (if biased towards optimism) inferences about a loudspeaker's performance by examining its physical structures.
Or you do in fact, but you are choosing to play coy.
The former explanation is the more charitable, because it does not require an ulterior motive. So that is the one I will assume to be true.
Originally Posted by JimWilson
How do you know it's cheaper? Do you have access to their unit costs? Please provide the data, otherwise your assertion tells us you should retract your statement as it's objectively false.
Actually, that's not how logic works. The my statement is only "objectively false" is if it is disproven by, you know, facts. It is not rendered false by puffery and convoluted language deployed to create an impression of disagreement while studiously avoiding definitive statements one may have to eat later.
Let's pivot now from deconstructing clumsy sophistry to employing actual logic. Let's start with the premise that SVS is competent at sourcing parts. I assume there will be no disagreement on that, even though neither one of us (presumably) work in procurement at SVS.
Stamped steel basket woofers are invariably cheaper than cast alloy frame woofers. Just browse through Parts Express, Madisound, Solen, etc. catalogs.
Additionally, looking through the published specifications of the driver there is nothing that stands out to the experienced eye as more costly
than the the equivalent XLS. The voicecoil is the same diameter, the magnet is still ceramic, etc. An aluminum pole sleeve requires more aluminum than dual aluminum shorting rings, but may make assembly easier. The only clearly more expensive part has nothing to do with performance: spring terminals instead of perfectly good quick disconnects. Maybe those terminals save SVS assembly time/cost because they mean don't have to buy quick disconnect terminals or attach said terminals to the internal wiring? Otherwise it is a pointless expense.
A better argument is that SVS basically started because someone was able to cheaply procure a large cache of stamped
frame TC Sounds woofers with very good motors for their day. So in a way, decontenting this line with a cheaper woofer is a return to their roots. However, had SVS wished to improve their product, Peerless (Tymphany) has a successor to the XLS platform with greater excursion and a larger-diameter voicecoil to improve power handling, as well as a new bespoke cast alloy basket. Admittedly, the only unit in the line sold to hobbyists is a 10. However, Tymphany advertises 10-15" models on their website. From that one can infer Tymphany have the parts on hand to make SVS a custom woofer based on their improved XLS successor, if such was desired.
At any rate, I'm done here. I won't be buying this subwoofer, or recommending the line. Previously when asked my go-to recommendation was the SVS SB12/SB2000, because of the excellent Peerless XLS driver, reasonable price, and SVS's reputation for build quality. Those recommendations resulted in over 50 subwoofer sales for SVS. However, the first two reasons are no longer operative in the new model. So I'll find something else to recommend.