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post #1 of 16 Old 01-09-2020, 06:30 AM - Thread Starter
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Need a new sub

I have a nice LG 65" OLED tv and just recently replaced my Onkyo TX-717n (which died) with a Denon AVR-X1600H. All my speakers are Paradigm. My 17+ year old Paradigm sub is dying, I believe. It has started making obnoxious crackling noises when very low sound is in a movie scene--like spaceship background noises, etc.

I've been doing some reading about subs and am seriously considering the SVS PB-2000 Pro. A guy a big box store was trying to steer me to the Martin Logan Dynamo 800X. Both of these are definitely more than what I was hoping to spend, but doable. Both the TV and the receiver were more than what I had planned to spend, too, so...

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The PB-2000 Pro sells for $899 (on amazon.com). For $44 less ($855, shipped), I'd get the HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP.
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If you are interested in DIY there are some very affordable options with more sound output than that SVS or HSU. Depends on your goals though and your standards.

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The PB-2000 Pro sells for $899 (on amazon.com). For $44 less ($855, shipped), I'd get the HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP.
+1. I would get the hsu 15 inch sub over the svs and martin logan everyday of the week. You will get a much better performing sub!
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Don’t let Best Buy or magnolia steer you away from your budget, commonly to inferior, high margin products.

Ask the forum for recommendations and buy yourself, on your own terms.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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I have a nice LG 65" OLED tv and just recently replaced my Onkyo TX-717n (which died) with a Denon AVR-X1600H. All my speakers are Paradigm. My 17+ year old Paradigm sub is dying, I believe. It has started making obnoxious crackling noises when very low sound is in a movie scene--like spaceship background noises, etc.

I've been doing some reading about subs and am seriously considering the SVS PB-2000 Pro. A guy a big box store was trying to steer me to the Martin Logan Dynamo 800X. Both of these are definitely more than what I was hoping to spend, but doable. Both the TV and the receiver were more than what I had planned to spend, too, so...

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You can try the PB2000 pro for 45 days risk free buying directly from SVS.

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It's helpful if you describe your room size/layout, and your listening/viewing habits.
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It's helpful if you describe your room size/layout, and your listening/viewing habits.
Dargent0628,

Good point. I haven't posted in forums for a while, so have forgotten some of the protocol.

My room is about 20x20, vaulted ceiling and hardwood floors. My TV is mounted on a wall near a corner, so it gets pulled out away from the wall and angled toward the center of the room. Main couch for viewing is 8 to 10 feet from the TV. My fronts and surrounds are Paradigm monitors and atoms, all around 17 years old. My center is a Paradigm, but I forget the model. It's mounted high above the tv in the corner. Not an ideal layout but the best I can do given how the room is used.

I mostly stream content, watch cable and blu-rays. Not a whole lot of music in this room.

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Dargent0628,

Good point. I haven't posted in forums for a while, so have forgotten some of the protocol.

My room is about 20x20, vaulted ceiling and hardwood floors. My TV is mounted on a wall near a corner, so it gets pulled out away from the wall and angled toward the center of the room. Main couch for viewing is 8 to 10 feet from the TV. My fronts and surrounds are Paradigm monitors and atoms, all around 17 years old. My center is a Paradigm, but I forget the model. It's mounted high above the tv in the corner. Not an ideal layout but the best I can do given how the room is used.

I mostly stream content, watch cable and blu-rays. Not a whole lot of music in this room.

Thanks!

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That's a pretty large space to pressurize. Were you happy with your old Paradigm sub before it began crapping out, or did you find yourself wanting more LFE impact? Are you willing to do a "sub crawl" to find the best place for your new sub, or are you limited to a certain spot?
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another vote for the HSU VTF3 MK5 @ $855 you need to double you budget to get anything better than this sub.

It stomps everything under $1000

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That's a pretty large space to pressurize. Were you happy with your old Paradigm sub before it began crapping out, or did you find yourself wanting more LFE impact? Are you willing to do a "sub crawl" to find the best place for your new sub, or are you limited to a certain spot?
Dargent0628,

I was happy with the Paradigm. I am pretty limited in placement. But I do understand what "sub crawl" is and might give that a try.

I'm not a sub expert by any means, but reading some of the stuff in this forum group about subs makes me think I'll notice a difference with either the SVS or Hsu. I hope to work a little harder to optimize the output. I will have to check the model of my existing sub tonight, because I can't recall if it's the PDR-10 or PDR-12.

I've actually emailed Hsu about the VTF3 and they have replied with some very specific questions that I need to work on tonight to answer.

Thanks!

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Get the HSU VTF 3 and don't look back.
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Another vote for the HSU!

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Attached is a view of the room and I’ve indicated with a rectangle where I usually sit. That location is 13’7” from the left surround, 7’9” from the right surround, 14’6” from the left front, 11’6” from the right front (and sub) and 16’10” from the center. It is 13’8” from the tv. And the room is actually 22'x23'.

My current sub is the PDR-12. I've been in contact with Hsu and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the VTF 3. Just waiting to hear back from them after a follow-up email.

Thank you!

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looking at that space be sure you measure well that sub is pretty big. I am sure it will sound great!
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Thank you all for the advice! I have ordered the Hsu VTF 3. Awaiting its arrival.

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