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Anyone listened to JTR Captivator 2400 and PSA TV3612?

I’m trying to figure out the largest sub I can get without it taking over the room visually. Obviously, the PSA is taller, but depth and wits the are similar.

My question is which one goes lower and plays louder? If the JTR can do what the PSA does, I’d go with the smaller cabinet.

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I’m trying to figure out the largest sub I can get without it taking over the room visually. Obviously, the PSA is taller, but depth and wits the are similar.

My question is which one goes lower and plays louder? If the JTR can do what the PSA does, I’d go with the smaller cabinet.

Thank you.
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I’m trying to figure out the largest sub I can get without it taking over the room visually. Obviously, the PSA is taller, but depth and wits the are similar.

My question is which one goes lower and plays louder? If the JTR can do what the PSA does, I’d go with the smaller cabinet.

Thank you.
JTR will have advantage in lower frequencies and PSA in upper....by how much? no one knows as the PSA has not been measured

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you know it...at least its JTR this time and not Rythmik..

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I’m sure someone will be along shortly to let us know they both will sound the same.
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you know it...at least its JTR this time and not Rythmik..
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Well I can tell you one thing.

The JTR Captivator is going to cost at least $500 more than the unmeasured PSA TV3612.
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As far as I know, Hopinator and myself are the only ones that have owned both (although Hop and I own the TV36 ipals). First off, let me start by saying both subs are awesome and you can't go wrong with either one. Both play very loud and dig very deep. However, I believe the TV36 is a little stronger in the mid bass but I did not notice a drop off in ULF (granted, no measurements taken just my impressions between the two at the same volume, same location). That being said, the biggest difference in my opinion is the sound signature. That is, the TV36 sounds more articulate, as if the sub is playing in stereo. In other words, the JTR is more of a "one note" bass sub and the TV36 sounds like a choir of bass (I have heard the same type of comment about Rythmik subs as well). I noticed this right off the bat. I heard bass notes that I had not heard before. In the end, Hop and I both ended up preferring the TV36. Again, the JTR2400 is an awesome sub. You can't go wrong either way..

As far as size goes, yeah the TV36 is big. But you get used to it's size very quickly. I'm to the point that if I suddenly went to a smaller sub it would look more out of place than the current TV36.

Note that if you look at some of our previous posts you will see some of our impressions between the two.
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the biggest difference in my opinion is the sound signature. That is, the TV36 sounds more articulate, as if the sub is playing in stereo. In other words, the JTR is more of a "one note" bass sub and the TV36 sounds like a choir of bass (I have heard the same type of comment about Rythmik subs as well). I noticed this right off the bat. I heard bass notes that I had not heard before.
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As far as I know, Hopinator and myself are the only ones that have owned both (although Hop and I own the TV36 ipals). First off, let me start by saying both subs are awesome and you can't go wrong with either one. Both play very loud and dig very deep. However, I believe the TV36 is a little stronger in the mid bass but I did not notice a drop off in ULF (granted, no measurements taken just my impressions between the two at the same volume, same location). That being said, the biggest difference in my opinion is the sound signature. That is, the TV36 sounds more articulate, as if the sub is playing in stereo. In other words, the JTR is more of a "one note" bass sub and the TV36 sounds like a choir of bass (I have heard the same type of comment about Rythmik subs as well). I noticed this right off the bat. I heard bass notes that I had not heard before. In the end, Hop and I both ended up preferring the TV36. Again, the JTR2400 is an awesome sub. You can't go wrong either way..

As far as size goes, yeah the TV36 is big. But you get used to it's size very quickly. I'm to the point that if I suddenly went to a smaller sub it would look more out of place than the current TV36. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]

Note that if you look at some of our previous posts you will see some of our impressions between the two.
ThankYou! I appreciate the helpful input. Do you have 1 TV36 or two in your room?

I ask because the way my room is situated the sub would be in a corner, and I’m thinking I might need two to even the bass in the room.
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ThankYou! I appreciate the helpful input. Do you have 1 TV36 or two in your room?

I ask because the way my room is situated the sub would be in a corner, and I’m thinking I might need two to even the bass in the room.


Would you get two TV3612? Also are you interested in the ipal or Neo?

How big is your room?


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I was thinking two TV3612 or Cap2400. My room is open concept, 40 x 26 with vaulted ceiling. The viewing area is along a 25’ wall and the subs would be in the corners.
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Excuse the mess, but here’s what I’m dealing with. Huge open space that needs some boom-boom.
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I was thinking two TV3612 or Cap2400. My room is open concept, 40 x 26 with vaulted ceiling. The viewing area is along a 25’ wall and the subs would be in the corners.
I went with two V3611s in a room about your size, now adding two 21" Devastator LFEs.

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ThankYou! I appreciate the helpful input. Do you have 1 TV36 or two in your room?

I ask because the way my room is situated the sub would be in a corner, and I’m thinking I might need two to even the bass in the room.

I have a single TV36. Like you. I have a very large open floor plan. I only have three walls in my family room which opens to the kitchen, hallway and living room. And I'm on concrete. Even with the single TV36 I get great mid bass tactical feel to my chest and awesome ULF shaking of my chair. I get very good response in all listening positions but I'm sure it would be better with a second sub. The reason I don't have a second is because I don't have the room for it.
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As far as I know, Hopinator and myself are the only ones that have owned both (although Hop and I own the TV36 ipals). First off, let me start by saying both subs are awesome and you can't go wrong with either one. Both play very loud and dig very deep. However, I believe the TV36 is a little stronger in the mid bass but I did not notice a drop off in ULF (granted, no measurements taken just my impressions between the two at the same volume, same location). That being said, the biggest difference in my opinion is the sound signature. That is, the TV36 sounds more articulate, as if the sub is playing in stereo. In other words, the JTR is more of a "one note" bass sub and the TV36 sounds like a choir of bass (I have heard the same type of comment about Rythmik subs as well). I noticed this right off the bat. I heard bass notes that I had not heard before. In the end, Hop and I both ended up preferring the TV36. Again, the JTR2400 is an awesome sub. You can't go wrong either way..

As far as size goes, yeah the TV36 is big. But you get used to it's size very quickly. I'm to the point that if I suddenly went to a smaller sub it would look more out of place than the current TV36.

Note that if you look at some of our previous posts you will see some of our impressions between the two.
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I’m trying to figure out the largest sub I can get without it taking over the room visually. Obviously, the PSA is taller, but depth and wits the are similar.

My question is which one goes lower and plays louder? If the JTR can do what the PSA does, I’d go with the smaller cabinet.

Thank you.
Hi,

Honestly, the two quotes above yours sum-it up. Therefore, cannot go wrong with either.


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you know it...at least its JTR this time and not Rythmik..
LOL, And know what you mean.

When you keep seeing, brands like Rythmik, JTR, PSA and also SVS. Always having new threads, asking what is better between ? or ?.
You know that any of those brands are very close to each others, and all offering a quality subs. At this point, it is a matter of preference and need, for the end user.


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Excuse the mess, but here’s what I’m dealing with. Huge open space that needs some boom-boom.
that’s a nice looking room....you may want to go with a pair of Funk subwoofers
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Anyone listened to JTR Captivator 2400 and PSA TV3612?

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I was thinking two TV3612 or Cap2400. My room is open concept, 40 x 26 with vaulted ceiling. The viewing area is along a 25’ wall and the subs would be in the corners.


You definitely want two TV3612 or whatever sub you decide on. I’d start with those front two corners, and see how that goes.


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My guess is the TV3612 will be at least as strong down low and much stronger up top.
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The Captivator 2400 has a new driver for 2020 that is lower distortion (improved sound quality) and lower inductance (2-3db more midbass).
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As far as I know, Hopinator and myself are the only ones that have owned both (although Hop and I own the TV36 ipals). First off, let me start by saying both subs are awesome and you can't go wrong with either one. Both play very loud and dig very deep. However, I believe the TV36 is a little stronger in the mid bass but I did not notice a drop off in ULF (granted, no measurements taken just my impressions between the two at the same volume, same location). That being said, the biggest difference in my opinion is the sound signature. That is, the TV36 sounds more articulate, as if the sub is playing in stereo. In other words, the JTR is more of a "one note" bass sub and the TV36 sounds like a choir of bass (I have heard the same type of comment about Rythmik subs as well). I noticed this right off the bat. I heard bass notes that I had not heard before. In the end, Hop and I both ended up preferring the TV36. Again, the JTR2400 is an awesome sub. You can't go wrong either way..

As far as size goes, yeah the TV36 is big. But you get used to it's size very quickly. I'm to the point that if I suddenly went to a smaller sub it would look more out of place than the current TV36. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]

Note that if you look at some of our previous posts you will see some of our impressions between the two.
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My guess is the TV3612 will be at least as strong down low and much stronger up top.


That is exactly what I mean man. It’s a guess. The 2400 measured close to the 2400 ULF so it does have very good low performance even with a smaller cab. You have experienced what a 1200 XS can do.


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Made me smile those mid sized mains next to that beast, need to get some big ol Klipsch mains to offset the look, and probably the output as well!
I think the size of the sub may be making the speakers look smaller than they are, each of those speakers has dual 10" woofers, a horn loaded compression driver and true 98dB sensitivity, you'd have to go pretty far up the Klipsch ladder to better them in output or sound quality (IMHO)
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I think the size of the sub may be making the speakers look smaller than they are, each of those speakers has dual 10" woofers, a horn loaded compression driver and true 98dB sensitivity, you'd have to go pretty far up the Klipsch ladder to better them in output or sound quality (IMHO)

Not really, one can get an RF7III/Heresy IV pair under $2200 which is 300 more than MTM210 Pair! Yes, you probably lose a few DB sensitivity but you also gain a massive output in 40-80hz region.

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Not really, one can get an RF7III/Heresy IV pair under $2200 which is 300 more than MTM210 Pair! Yes, you probably lose a few DB sensitivity but you also gain a massive output in 40-80hz region.
Don't want t take this thread off track, but having heard older versions of both of them,I'd take the PSA's any day SQ wise, though I do know that many many people love the more forward voicing of Klipsch. At the end of the day the 210's can handle Ref. Level+ volumes,so should be "enough" for 99.9999% of people (again IMHO)

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Don't want t take this thread off track, but having heard older versions of both of them,I'd take the PSA's any day SQ wise, though I do know that many many people love the more forward voicing of Klipsch. At the end of the day the 210's can handle Ref. Level+ volumes,so should be "enough" for 99.9999% of people (again IMHO)
Yes, Klipsch's Voicing is different than PSAs. I love compression tweeter, so i appreciate the difference in sound. Both are amazing speakers. Actually for LCR, MTM210 would be a better option. Cheaper and easier placement options for most.
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I didnt even realize those mains were PSA (not familiar with the brand) & was viewing on my phone but they definitely did not look like they housed dual 10" drivers sitting next to that sub. I bet they sound great!

I love horn loaded speakers, I'm itching to upgrade my KLF30's for some RF7III's.

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