Originally Posted by mkellypc
Unfortunately it's another this one or that one thread. I am upgrading my crap BIC F12 sub and am looking at the PB-2000 or the VTF-2. My budget is $700. Most comparisons I have seen are the PB-2000 vs VTF-3, but since the PB-2000 has dropped in price, these are what are comparable for my budget. I understand the customer service advantage of SVS, and it is an important factor to me. But ultimately performance is the most important. I really don't see me going duals anytime as this is not a big enough priority these days with me. My wife is ill with stage IV cancer so this will be the extent of my upgrade capabilities.
This will be used primarily for movies (90%), tho I do enjoy to sit and listen occasionally to music. Main speakers are Polk LSi 15's, driven from and Adcom 545II (caps and ic's were upgraded years ago). They are fed by Marantz SR5010.
Room is approximately 2800 cu ft., with no back wall.
Again, I have no ability or desire to go with anything larger or multiple subs. Either of these will surely be an improvement over what I have currently.
Many thanks in advance...
You through me for a loop with that Adcom thinking you might only be stereo.
But I see the receiver.
I saw the picture of your room and I'm guessing a dining room and kitchen may be where no back wall is? If so this puts you up probably over the 5000 cubic feet limit or darn close. If this is the case you need output! PB12-NSD is rated for up to 5000 cubic feet and it probably just skates by. It doesn't do any good to be in denial of a massive listening environment.
The HSU and the Monolith have more output than the SVS PB2000 and I'm afraid that consideration trumps all. You'll have to wait for the Monolith to go on sale for it to make your budget and they are as bad as HSU with returns.
Oh here are numbers on your bic's slightly more amp power cousin:
MANUFACTURER & MODEL 10hz 12.5hz 16hz 20hz 25hz
31.5hz 40hz 50hz 63hz 80hz 100hz 125hz 20-80Hz +/-3dB Window
BIC ACOUSTECH: PL-200 / / / 84 96.2
102.5 107.7 110.4 108.1 106.5 105.3 103.8 +/-13.2dB40-100Hz (OUCH!)
SVS PB12-NSD / / 93.3 103.2 105.0
105.9 106.5 107.3 108.0 108.7 109.2 109.6 +/-2.8dB 20-100Hz
SVS PC2000 / / 95.6 104.3 108.7
109.9 111.5 111.2 110.9 109.9 109.6 109.5 +/-3.6dB 25-125Hz
(The PC2000 is darn close to a PB2000, but audioholics notes "Tested by Paul Apollonio", but assuming same methodology, but a different field outdoors.
I'd guess your model is about 3 db lower and the port tuning might clash with a lower tuned sub, but you can always try to use it as it might zig where the SVS zags and help out while SVS handles super lows on its own. Your Bic's more powerful cousin is rated for 1500-3000 cubic feet so suspect you've been undernourished and then some considering your effective room volume is two sizes up.
I think we're all waiting for the exact cubic feet of the entire area.
Its just a huge thing in how the sub will interact with the room. The good news about such a big room is good chance you might have listening seats not backed up against a bunch of walls and be fighting room modes. It would be great to have exact dimensions of the room. Such a room is totally different from someone shoehorning their home theater into a moderate sized bedroom.
Darn. I see PB12-NSD seems to be nearly sold out everywhere, but one on its own probably not a no-brainer without trade in rights. I may be trading in my PB12s for PB 2000 Pro, but its far, far from a done deal. That being said I'd be checking the outlet shop daily if you decide you can sell a few car parts/tools and up your budget.
Keep an eye on HSU and Monoprice for deals as well.
I set budgets and then lose my mind.
(My first NSD arrived black Friday and I literally saw sale and return policy and just bought one on a whim without research, my 2nd one I bought also on a whim and that was from Amazon, but I figured I'd just return the first NSD if dual not for me. Now I'm a minidsp fool and loving the whole bass process and possibly looking to integrate with my two channel LP system where I've got some flagging unobtanium subwoofer drivers.) Three hobbies is a lot, I know.
You also would be very well served coughing up for another tool which is minidsp's umik-1. A little production problem in China right now for these so they might become unobtanium for a while if production continues to be held up. You are just flying blind in the bass without REW and a microphone for that free software.