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Feedback on V1812 vs. FV18 sub for larger room

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Have narrowed down my sub choices to either a PSA V1812 or Rythmik FV18. Room size is fairly large, 22' x 50' x 10'. Floor is LVP on concrete. Leaning towards Rythmik based on the positive feedback I have seen regarding the direct servo tech, but would appreciate feedback. Usage is 85% movies 15% music. Thought of getting smaller dual HSU 15" mk5 subs but given the larger space I would prefer to start with an 18" and have the option of getting a second down the line.

Will most likely be paired with Chane LCR (2x5.5 and 1x2.4). Was looking at PSA MTM (2x210T and 1x210C) but would rather spend the money on subs. Everything will be connected to a Denon X3600H if that makes a difference.

First time setting up a dedicated home theater space so open to any and all feedback. Have selected the options above based on reading through a lot of threads here but not an expert by any means.

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Have narrowed down my sub choices to either a PSA V1812 or Rythmik FV18. Room size is fairly large, 22' x 50' x 10'. Floor is LVP on concrete. Leaning towards Rythmik based on the positive feedback I have seen regarding the direct servo tech, but would appreciate feedback. Usage is 85% movies 15% music. Thought of getting smaller dual HSU 15" mk5 subs but given the larger space I would prefer to start with an 18" and have the option of getting a second down the line.



Will most likely be paired with Chane LCR (2x5.5 and 1x2.4). Was looking at PSA MTM (2x210T and 1x210C) but would rather spend the money on subs. Everything will be connected to a Denon X3600H if that makes a difference.



First time setting up a dedicated home theater space so open to any and all feedback. Have selected the options above based on reading through a lot of threads here but not an expert by any means.



Thanks,

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Between those two the FV18 paper cone is what I would recommend.


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Accidentally posted to speaker forum instead of here, so reposting.



Have narrowed down my sub choices to either a PSA V1812 or Rythmik FV18. Room size is fairly large, 22' x 50' x 10'. Floor is LVP on concrete. Leaning towards Rythmik based on the positive feedback I have seen regarding the direct servo tech, but would appreciate feedback. Usage is 85% movies 15% music. Thought of getting smaller dual HSU 15" mk5 subs but given the larger space I would prefer to start with an 18" and have the option of getting a second down the line.



Will most likely be paired with Chane LCR (2x5.5 and 1x2.4). Was looking at PSA MTM (2x210T and 1x210C) but would rather spend the money on subs. Everything will be connected to a Denon X3600H if that makes a difference.



First time setting up a dedicated home theater space so open to any and all feedback. Have selected the options above based on reading through a lot of threads here but not an expert by any means.



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IMHO the FV18 will dig deeper. The V1812 will have more Mid-bass slam.

You can't go wrong with either.

Order both and send one back.
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IMHO FV18 (paper cone or Alloy cone) - not even close
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Accidentally posted to speaker forum instead of here, so reposting.

Have narrowed down my sub choices to either a PSA V1812 or Rythmik FV18. Room size is fairly large, 22' x 50' x 10'. Floor is LVP on concrete. Leaning towards Rythmik based on the positive feedback I have seen regarding the direct servo tech, but would appreciate feedback. Usage is 85% movies 15% music. Thought of getting smaller dual HSU 15" mk5 subs but given the larger space I would prefer to start with an 18" and have the option of getting a second down the line.

Will most likely be paired with Chane LCR (2x5.5 and 1x2.4). Was looking at PSA MTM (2x210T and 1x210C) but would rather spend the money on subs. Everything will be connected to a Denon X3600H if that makes a difference.

First time setting up a dedicated home theater space so open to any and all feedback. Have selected the options above based on reading through a lot of threads here but not an expert by any means.

Thanks,
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FV18, they are not even comparable. I own the Aluminum cone and i heard the paper one ones. Paper cone version definitely has more Tactile Response, but i chose the AL cone cause to my eyes they looked better. It's a very well made product. Build quality, fit and finish is excellent.

Yeah, eventually you have to upgrade those speakers too. Can't beat compression tweeter for Home Theater usage specially if you get one of those FV18s for LFE.
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The v1812 had specific design goals, which was to be a small 18 inch ported subwoofer. The compromise you have to make to get that is to sacrifice some low end extension. Not sure if Tom is planning on a low tuned single 18, but he doesn't have one yet.
So, a vote for the FV18 paper cone.
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Another vote for the FV18 paper cone!
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Another vote for the FV18 paper cone!
And another from me.
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FV18. I’m partial to the aluminum cones myself.
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I guess I'm just piling on, but the FV18 with paper cone I have is truly outstanding. I haven't heard the V1812 though.
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Although they both have 18" woofers, the FV18 is significantly larger and heavier than the V1812. The FV15HP is probably a better comparison for the V1812 and even that is slightly larger and can play deeper. I am guessing most will recommend the FV18 for that size room.
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FV18 Aluminum Cone for Music and Movies. I tried other brands IPALs and Ultras Subs. RYTHMIK is just a different sound, Servo subs, you don't even know that the sub is working moving the low end is there when playing music or movies. I have a pair of FV18's Alum cone and a pair of L22's both models produce incredible low end sound. Fill my rooms no problem, concrete floors, tile, open floor plan, no room treatment, my calibration tools my Ears Love these Subs
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I have dual V1811s and i like it so much, but i heard dual FV18s paper cones in @imureh 's house and i can attest the tactile response is insane!
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Which model of that brand ipals?
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v18 ipal
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^^ Can you tell us more about the difference you notice between your fv18 and v18ipal? AFAIK, you are the first who has listened to both of these subs. TIA.

I give you lots of credit for trying out different subs (psa and svs) instead of just sticking with Rythmik you knew. Lots of folks do not seem to want to explore different options.
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Appreciate the multitude of feedback, looks like the FV18 is the clear choice.

I had only briefly done research on the paper vs. aluminum cone choices. If I am reading correctly, the paper cone provides more mid-bass but also a slightly higher distortion compared to the aluminum cone? I will have a floating LVP floor on concrete, which I believe should emphasize the tactile response already. I generally prefer the aesthetics of the aluminum cone over the paper, but it seems most people in the thread opted for paper which is making me question which I should go with. Random question - is the paper cone more fragile than the aluminum cone? Expecting a kid in June and still figuring out what needs to be child proofed. Grills will definitely be on the subs at all time, but saw a post about a cone being destroyed by a toddler and wasn't sure if that was something I needed to worry about lol.

Looks like my total would be $3454.50 shipped for two FV18s. Anything else I should look at in this price range before I pull the trigger?

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Appreciate the multitude of feedback, looks like the FV18 is the clear choice.

I had only briefly done research on the paper vs. aluminum cone choices. If I am reading correctly, the paper cone provides more mid-bass but also a slightly higher distortion compared to the aluminum cone? I will have a floating LVP floor on concrete, which I believe should emphasize the tactile response already. I generally prefer the aesthetics of the aluminum cone over the paper, but it seems most people in the thread opted for paper which is making me question which I should go with. Random question - is the paper cone more fragile than the aluminum cone? Expecting a kid in June and still figuring out what needs to be child proofed. Grills will definitely be on the subs at all time, but saw a post about a cone being destroyed by a toddler and wasn't sure if that was something I needed to worry about lol.

Looks like my total would be $3454.50 shipped for two FV18s. Anything else I should look at in this price range before I pull the trigger?

Thanks again for the great feedback,
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The Alu will be more resistant to damage from the toddler. The distortion levels on Ryhtmik is already extremely low so I doubt you find that an issue and actually a little desirable for HT. Go for the Alu cone. Dual 18 inch subs with the performance of an FV18 at that price is very hard to beat.
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^^ Can you tell us more about the difference you notice between your fv18 and v18ipal? AFAIK, you are the first who has listened to both of these subs. TIA.

I give you lots of credit for trying out different subs (psa and svs) instead of just sticking with Rythmik you knew. Lots of folks do not seem to want to explore different options.
IMHO the FV18 Articulate Bass in a controlled manner and digs deep with finesse. That's my experience with RYTHMIK.
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You'd probably be good with either cone. I wouldn't stress about it. However, I wouldn't trust a grill to protect a speaker from a toddler. None of the mesh on my grills would have stopped a determined or clumsy kid!
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You'd probably be good with either cone. I wouldn't stress about it. However, I wouldn't trust a grill to protect a speaker from a toddler. None of the mesh on my grills would have stopped a determined or clumsy kid!
The grills cloth is very thin.
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You'd probably be good with either cone. I wouldn't stress about it. However, I wouldn't trust a grill to protect a speaker from a toddler. None of the mesh on my grills would have stopped a determined or clumsy kid!
They wouldn't stop a determined house fly. They are more decorative than protective.

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IMHO the FV18 Articulate Bass in a controlled manner and digs deep with finesse. That's my experience and humble opinion.
Thanks for the reply. The ‘digs deep with finesse’ part is obvious; however, the ‘articulate bass in a controlled manner’ part is surprising as what I have been reading from psa owners that the ipal version in the psa v1812 is cleaner, more articulate with different kind of sound signatures compared to the previous Eminence driver v1811.
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Appreciate the multitude of feedback, looks like the FV18 is the clear choice.



I had only briefly done research on the paper vs. aluminum cone choices. If I am reading correctly, the paper cone provides more mid-bass but also a slightly higher distortion compared to the aluminum cone? I will have a floating LVP floor on concrete, which I believe should emphasize the tactile response already. I generally prefer the aesthetics of the aluminum cone over the paper, but it seems most people in the thread opted for paper which is making me question which I should go with. Random question - is the paper cone more fragile than the aluminum cone? Expecting a kid in June and still figuring out what needs to be child proofed. Grills will definitely be on the subs at all time, but saw a post about a cone being destroyed by a toddler and wasn't sure if that was something I needed to worry about lol.



Looks like my total would be $3454.50 shipped for two FV18s. Anything else I should look at in this price range before I pull the trigger?



Thanks again for the great feedback,

KK


Any claims that suggest a cone material provides more bass is nonsense.

Both are great subs, talk to owners of both of you can and also reach out to both ID makers to get their opinion.


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The PSA is designed to be a compact 18, which means of course, less extension. If you don't need the small box, there are better alternatives like the FV18. I don't know what Tom's plans are, but once he gets caught up, a low tuned alternative would sell really well. He seems to have been surprised by the sales of his low tuned subs, so I wouldn't be surprised if designing a low tuned one driver sub was in the back of his mind. Or even front.
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IMHO the FV18 Articulate Bass in a controlled manner and digs deep with finesse. That's my experience and humble opinion.
Thanks for the reply. The ‘digs deep with finesse’️ part is obvious; however, the ‘articulate bass in a controlled manner’️ part is surprising as what I have been reading from psa owners that the ipal version in the psa v1812 is cleaner, more articulate with different kind of sound signatures compared to the previous Eminence driver v1811.
I was PMed recently....just talking behind the scenes...this member is currently auditioning the S18 Ipal and f18 in terms of SQ they're similar with slight advantage to the f18 based on amp setting and second on the cabinet...which imo is moot...also both are superior to his JL F113.

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^^ I wish these members would come out and share their opinions in public rather than through pm. I am sure it would benefit potential buyers shopping for such subs.
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^^ I wish these members would come out and share their opinions in public rather than through pm. I am sure it would benefit potential buyers shopping for such subs.
You have to admit though Tony, for a newer member (or even a long time member lol) this can be more than a little "scary", there are many very vocal fans from most of the brands on here and a lot of people don't want to get put through a public trial for simply stating their opinion - that they preferred the sound quality (or whatever) of one brand over another. Sometimes it's just easier to move on and get on with enjoying your new purchase
Not singling any one brand out either, as all the ID brands have vocal advocates
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They wouldn't stop a determined house fly. They are more decorative than protective.
Too bad that a PSA V1512DF is smaller that what the OP is looking for. I'm not sure that a down firing sub would be completely toddler proof, but it has to be better than any OEM grille.
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You have to admit though Tony, for a newer member (or even a long time member lol) this can be more than a little "scary", there are many very vocal fans from most of the brands on here and a lot of people don't want to get put through a public trial for simply stating their opinion
Agree with you there, Jamie. IMO, if it is truly someone opinions after listening and comparing the products, there is nothing to be scared about when publicly stating product A is better, cleaner, louder, deeper, etc. It is truly sad seeing vocal fans defending something they did not get to compare themselves. It’s ok to be a brand loyalty but it is absolutely unnecessary to be a brand soldier. There are so many brand suggestions that clearly biased and suggestions without any clarification/information to support such recommendation. Honestly, I shake my head every time at those suggestions as they hold no value to me or anyone really. As you know, there are many speculations and that does not help anyone. I just hope more and more folks come out and share their opinions similar to what @imureh did in his sub comparison thread: straight opinions backed with graphs and many other people opinions, it is truly a valuable thread that greatly helps potential buyers.
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