Originally Posted by harrisu
Haven't read the whole thread yet but I can share my experience. There are two ways to get tactile. 1 is lots of fire power like
case and another way is to add devices (BOSS, transducers...)or a very near field sub. When you get tactile using option 1 (pure fire power), its very very satisfying because that won't make Tactile overcome the sound because it would take a lot of bass to introduce that tactile (on suspended floor obviously). Now 2nd option is great as well but its very easy to get carried with it and crank it up to the point that it will shake so much that it will suppress all other effects out. Key is to find the right mix. I used to run my subs 16dB hot while they were placed only 65" away from MLP and it used to bring tons of TR but never felt that the TR is getting in the way how Bass is supposed to sound. The issue was WAF. House shakes, frames fall of the walls, door rattles but mannnnn was it awesome. Now, I use BOSS but just to get the wobbling feelings in low bass frequencies. I have them crossed over over at 20Hz so you can imagine. They are purely to get TR at 20Hz and below it. Above 20Hz, my subs do very decent job.
Point is that TR does amazing job but you have to put time into it and dial it to your liking. Some love it so much that they have 2-3-4 subs NF all around them and also transducers and also BOSS and they love it (
comes to mind) but he spent a lot of time dialing them to his liking.
I don't think TR is bad or takes the experience away even in music. Key is to dial it in properly to our liking. If you are too sensitive to TR and what your subs produce naturally right now is enough for you then don't bother but if you have no TR in the system right now, I'd suggest to put some effort in it as it might be the game changer.
Yes, I do like a bit of TR
There are a handful of us over in the TR thread that have systems that probably seem so ridiculously overboard for TR that most enthusiasts on AVS just shake their heads at when they see it and wonder WHAT!!!??? …how could anyone ever enjoy that much TR!!! LOL
I think TR is very subjective (kind of like art and maybe the kind of movies or music one likes and enjoys, etc). How much intensity, at what frequencies, and so on. I think we all experience things a little differntly as well (we’ve had some pretty good discussions on this not too long ago around here). Sure, we all have similarities in the way we can experience things a lot of times, but differences for sure, and may be do to any number of variables, not to mention just personal preference.
I think we all have our goals and know what we like and want for the most part form the experience (although sometimes we don’t actually know until we experience them). That’s one of the many great things about this forum IMO, you can go read up on just about any part of HT and music with the different methods and gear, etc and try any of it in your own systems to see if it’s for you or not. Now, sometimes getting it all set up well and integrated in tip top form is a different story, but here again, this place is awesome for that as well, as many of us have been down that road with some part of it and usually happy to offer setup advise or whatever.
So back to TR and giving a hoot
about it LOL. Oh gosh yes, I think it’s more than safe to say YES for me Hahahahaha. But again, this just goes back to knowing what you enjoy and want out of the HT (or music) experience. I’ve known for a long time what I like and want more of ever since I got a taste of it about 5 years ago when I first discovered subs placed very close behind me (VNF), along with other subs in the mix Fairfield as well for more of that bass envelopment, fullness, weight and all that. Then the discovery of Crowson MA’s, then BK LFEs, then of course most recently BOSS and HoverBOSS, as well BossBACKs ….you name it. I DO LOVE’M ALL for movie bass, for different reasons!!! LOL. That sure doesn’t mean everyone else will though and I totally get that. To each their own for sure. Even if setup “very well”, some still may not enjoy it and just not their cup of tea.
For me, this is what I personally want out of the TR and overall HT experience. I’m really into movies and HT and the TR part of it is at the very HEART of it all. Yes, I want great sounding and enveloping full bass to go with it to feel as one together, as well as great enveloping surround sound too that integrates as seamlessly as possible with the video, making up the whole experience. If any one of those things (and yes especially the TR) ever becomes distracting and takes you out of the moment in a movie (or even music), then it’s not good. If one is really into TR and likes a lot of it, this can be one of the toughest parts to get right IMO. Getting the levels set right in the mix for your liking and integrated seamlessly so that it’s just part of the system that seems super realistic with whatever is going on on screen.
That is one of my goals and desires with the TR in my system, is for it to bring a super realistic experience and only add, not distract. And yes a lot of times that means scaring the crap out of me with insane TR and slam when called for. And what I mean by this, is not just the shake of your seat and even room, but the feeling that the right kind of TR can create within your body. To me, this is what I love and is just so thrilling, allowing me to feel like I’m actually experiencing it for real (or as real as you can get anyway in a HT environment). And being able to produce full band capable TR across the board from mid bass (50-80hz or so anyway, higher to 250 or so too, but usually between 50-90 is the meat part of it for chest slam (for me anyway), all the way down deep into the ULF single digit frequencies with authority is what it takes. It does take quite a bit of TR capably to do this, but is pretty easily attainable these days with HoverBOSS or Crowson MA’s. Plus BEQ (I’m not trying to open a can of worms here for some of the BEQ haters) for all these movies that has just been a game changer, making most all movie full band like the Incredible Hulk, if one is into that and like full band bass.
So, what I’m getting at here and were I was gong with that last paragraph is the experience that I’m after. Take the movie “FURY” for example. After I demo that tank battle scene, I feel like I actually experienced being in that tank and in the middle of it all (hopefully this is the closest I’ll ever get to actually having to go through that in real life though). The recoil of those tank blasts are insane!! The 50 cals, rifles and all gunshots, tank engines hums and vibrations plus all the sounds coming from everywhere in a super realistic and enveloping way jus feels absolutely amazing. Yes, it’s pretty frightening too and shakes, jolts and hammerers my insides pretty hardcore. But to me, to feel the most realistic as possible, this is what it takes. I want to FEEL it to my core in every possible way. This makes it super realistic. Without this TR power in the mix to deliver this (again, to me), it’s just lackluster and not NEARLY as exciting. I don’t want it to just be enjoyable and a pretty good experience, I want it to be an EXPERIENCE I never forget LOL. BUT, that’s just me and what I want, and having a ridiculous TR system alllows me to get that. But again, I know that is not for everyone.
Also, my ears don’t do well with real hi SPL levels, and potent TR makes it feel like I’m getting all the high SPL bass slam that I crave at pretty moderate levels. I never really go over about -15mv, and a lot of times, especially at night, -20mv and am still getting everything I desire. For me, TR is a GOD SEND and there are so many ways to get it and implement it into ones system these days if you’re into that. If not, then that’s cool too
. I can appreciate that if TR is not somebody’s thing.
I’ve tried just about everything there is to try with TR over the last 5 years or so and have found what I love and just thrills me to death for movie content. It’s been a journey and a lot of work sometimes, but super fun too and is what I love.
So, just another view, albeit from a TR lover
. Hopefully that gives a bit of insight from someone who is a big fan of TR