Originally Posted by jsc79
I guess until we see an S1812 tested by data bass we will never know if it’s “better driver” truly puts up better numbers than say an F18. There is more to a sub than just the driver in my opinion. The numbers on DB for Rythmiks seem impressive.
Opinions are great and all, but I like to rely on facts as well. Inaccurate, sighted in person demos give some info also, but are usually highly flawed(i.e failure to level match, wildly different in room frequency response). Accurate measurements illustrate the truth and leave out all the inaccuracies of sighted in room or in store demo's.
The driver's I use, which I bought due to the measured performance, without hearing them in my room first, were literally slapped in a 4ft^3 sealed box without any magical engineering or eq, at Data-Bass. Power was applied and resulted in higher output with lower distortion than the F18. I'm not a blind loyalist like Tuvong....I am actually capable of saying other products are good, or even excellent. And the F18 turns in excellent performance. But an exceptionally high quality driver, better than the driver used in the F18, a driver that does not use servo, was slapped in a box and turned in better performance. Again this is not rocket science.
I've heard plenty of subs....it has no impact on factual data. Great drivers perform great whether I have listened to 10 subs, 20 subs, or 30 subs. Great drivers used in simple, sealed cabs by competent subwoofer designers result in good performance. It's a really simple, easy to understand concept backed up by lots of factual data on Data-Bass. All the pro audio drivers on Data-Bass were literally just slapped into a sealed cab and tested. No magic. Just great drivers that *all* have outstanding measured performance.
This is not aimed towards you, at all, but for someone to argue that how many subs a person has heard is the only way to validly have an informed opinion on a product is silly. Furthermore, said person has absolutely no idea how many different subs I have had or heard. So even if his silly argument had any validity, he is making baseless assumptions thinking that he is proving a point somehow. You can't say "if you haven't heard a sub in person you can't form an opinion on it", and then follow that up with "the F18 measures well on data-bass". Either measured performance is a valid indicator of sound quality, or it isn't, you can't have it both ways. The F18 measures well. Its a great sounding sub. I've never heard one. But as a person with a brain, I know there are ways to determine the truth without first hand experience. I've never sailed around the world, but I'm confident it is round.
Tuvong, we get it. You love Rythmik. And we are all ok with it. Enjoy your subs. You'll be happier if you accept that other companies make good subs as well; some of them even use better drivers.