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I compared the JBL 590 to the PSA MTM 210s and even they are in a different league, the JTRs would be a league above that...so we may now be in a different dimension...
I should have known this post was going to lead into another direction Lol. Now the wheels are turning even more!!!
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This is why the recommendation to include some JTR LCR speakers is a good one. Until you've heard high efficiency speakers, you have no idea what you're missing. Combined with the 4Ks, you will have an insane amount of crystal clear effortless sound. Nothing against your JBLs, but the JTRs are in a completely different league. They will absolutely destroy your JBLs at high volumes without even breaking a sweat and requiring very little power.

As others have mentioned, speak to Jeff about recommendations. I would be surprised if he thought you needed more than two of the 4Ks and that would leave money for LCRs.
I have heard that high efficiency jtr speakers are killer. I will definitely be talking with jeff to see what he recommends as far as speakers and subs in the near future. Thanks for the info.
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Have you looked at data-bass.com? The JTR Cap 4000ULF measured 108 db at 2 meters groundplane (outdoors).

There are a lot of subs tested by Josh Ricci on data-bass.com

PS One member of AVS Forum measured 118 db at 10 Hz in his listening room using a single Cap 4000 ULF.
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Have you looked at data-bass.com? The JTR Cap 4000ULF measured 108 db at 2 meters groundplane (outdoors).

There are a lot of subs tested by Josh Ricci on data-bass.com

PS One member of AVS Forum measured 118 db at 10 Hz in his listening room using a single Cap 4000 ULF.
Yup! That was me!

118dB @ 10Hz. One JTR Cap 4000ULF, 12ft from the MLP, in my 2400cu ft family room...
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Have you looked at data-bass.com? The JTR Cap 4000ULF measured 108 db at 2 meters groundplane (outdoors).

There are a lot of subs tested by Josh Ricci on data-bass.com

PS One member of AVS Forum measured 118 db at 10 Hz in his listening room using a single Cap 4000 ULF.
Yes sir I saw it on databass. That is a great site and I wish more companies would send subs to be tested.
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Yup! That was me!

118dB @ 10Hz. One JTR Cap 4000ULF, 12ft from the MLP, in my 2400cu ft family room...
Is your room open or sealed? That is very impressive @ 10hz. I am hoping I will get some nice room gain down low.
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Is your room open or sealed? That is very impressive @ 10hz. I am hoping I will get some nice room gain down low.
My HT is in the family room so it's open to the 1913 cu ft kitchen/dining room. Essentially the whole space is closer to 4400 cu ft...

The opening is 8 ft x 6 1/2 ft. The kitchen is then open to the living room.
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Many rooms will see 10db of gain down around 10hz. Hence why I posted what I did previously. A single Cap4000 alone is going to be reference capable full bandwidth in most rooms. 4 of them is what you bring in when you want to level a house down to it's foundation. lol
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Many rooms will see 10db of gain down around 10hz. Hence why I posted what I did previously. A single Cap4000 alone is going to be reference capable full bandwidth in most rooms. 4 of them is what you bring in when you want to level a house down to it's foundation. lol
Perfect that is what I wanted to hear!! Can file a insurance claim and upgrade the house as well. Knock two birds out with one stone lol
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JTR Speakers reliably sends their product to Databass to be evaluated.

Jeff has the confidence to have third party measurements on all products, and always has.

No other ID vendor beats JTR at databass.

Thats enough said for me.

If not interested in DIY, I recommend JTR without reservation.

I do echo the warning that four of these at full tilt is going to easily have the capability to wreck your house, and I don’t say that in a silly exaggeration. It’ll loosen drywall, pop drywall nails through paint the whole house over, knock pictures off the wall or table, unscrew lightbulbs which will fall to the floor and break, break grout in kitchen tile where it is laid on suspended wooden floors, loosen kitchen cabinets, even make wooden plywood floors under carpet squeak. Since you say you were into 150dB car audio then you know that wrecks a car and its never the same after (squeaks and creaks from everywhere, seals break etc). Same thing happens to houses — and at far less than 150dB.
I’ve personally seen and witnessed every single one of the above with high bass output in multiple homes. In fact with less bass output than you are looking to achieve.

One single ULF 4000 we watched loosen drywall in realtime at the 2017 KC home theater crawl @d_c ’s house. Doug was literally using drywall screws in real time to secure drywall sheets that started flapping loose.

And you want 4...
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JTR Speakers reliably sends their product to Databass to be evaluated.

Jeff has the confidence to have third party measurements on all products, and always has.

No other ID vendor beats JTR at databass.

Thats enough said for me.

If not interested in DIY, I recommend JTR without reservation.

I do echo the warning that four of these at full tilt is going to easily have the capability to wreck your house, and I don’t say that in a silly exaggeration. It’ll loosen drywall, pop drywall nails through paint the whole house over, knock pictures off the wall or table, unscrew lightbulbs which will fall to the floor and break, break grout in kitchen tile where it is laid on suspended wooden floors, loosen kitchen cabinets, even make wooden plywood floors under carpet squeak. Since you say you were into 150dB car audio then you know that wrecks a car and its never the same after (squeaks and creaks from everywhere, seals break etc). Same thing happens to houses — and at far less than 150dB.
I’ve personally seen and witnessed every single one of the above with high bass output in multiple homes. In fact with less bass output than you are looking to achieve.



One single ULF 4000 we watched loosen drywall in realtime at the 2017 KC home theater crawl @d_c ’s house. Doug was literally using drywall screws in real time to secure drywall sheets that started flapping loose.

And you want 4...
I definitely agree with you that having third party measurements is a huge plus imo. That is very impressive that one single ULF 4000 could loosen drywall. What size room was the JTR in at the KC home theater crawl?
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I personally would go with the new Funk low tuned ported subs if money were no object. The Funk subs just look amazing and are known for having incredible sound quality. Either option is going to be ridiculous from an output standpoint and likely to rip the sheetrock off the walls.

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I definitely agree with you that having third party measurements is a huge plus imo. That is very impressive that one single ULF 4000 could loosen drywall. What size room was the JTR in at the KC home theater crawl?
It was in Doug's in progress basement home theater room. He only had just had that drywall hung right before the meet. I remember Doug saying it was beneficial to him because he could catch all the rattles before his new theater room was finished.

I solicited if anyone had a video of the sub playing at full tilt in this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/61-ar...ter-crawl.html

There will be some discussion on it from post 1011 on in that same thread.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/61-ar...l#post50867385

Timestamp 1:55 shows the room. Unfortunately I didn't get it at full bore on camera. Hopefully someone did.

The next scene in the video is showing a single 4000ULF @carp 's house with all of us upstairs laughing at what it was doing on the floor above.
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It was in Doug's in progress basement home theater room. He only had just had that drywall hung right before the meet. I remember Doug saying it was beneficial to him because he could catch all the rattles before his new theater room was finished.

I solicited if anyone had a video of the sub playing at full tilt in this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/61-ar...ter-crawl.html

There will be some discussion on it from post 1011 on in that same thread.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/61-ar...l#post50867385

Timestamp 1:55 shows the room. Unfortunately I didn't get it at full bore on camera. Hopefully someone did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkha5r0LYg

The next scene in the video is showing a single 4000ULF @carp 's house with all of us upstairs laughing at what it was doing on the floor above.
Wow that is super impressive. Thanks for the youtube clip and the jtr looks to be very strong considering that was only a single.
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Wow that is super impressive. Thanks for the youtube clip and the jtr looks to be very strong considering that was only a single.

That's why I mentioned before that I would be surprised if Jeff recommended more than 2 for your room.

IIRC, (Archaea can correct me) one of the members on that trip has/had eight sealed 18s and said that the single 4K was very competitive with them down low around tune. Obviously they had way more firepower higher up, but you can only use so much.
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That is because a 4000 has dual 18s ported, which equates to 8 sealed at tune of the same driver.

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The next scene in the video is showing a single 4000ULF @carp 's house with all of us upstairs laughing at what it was doing on the floor above.
sticking the 4000 under a 3/4" plywood riser is probably the smartest thing i've done in my room so far. that platform (and the seating that spans it) eats up the majority of the vertical energy escaping the room and only a small amount is transferred upstairs now. with the previous (6) 15's i had (sans riser), i'm really surprised i wasn't popping tiles off the floor directly above the subs. it also makes the rear seats extremely enjoyable when watching something

the "fun" of watching everything shake & rattle upstairs grew tiring pretty quickly. coming upstairs after watching a movie and immediately wondering how many things vibrated off a desk or fell from a wall sucked. thankfully no longer the case.
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I do echo the warning that four of these at full tilt is going to easily have the capability to wreck your house, and I don’t say that in a silly exaggeration. It’ll loosen drywall, pop drywall nails through paint the whole house over, knock pictures off the wall or table, unscrew lightbulbs which will fall to the floor and break, break grout in kitchen tile where it is laid on suspended wooden floors, loosen kitchen cabinets, even make wooden plywood floors under carpet squeak. Since you say you were into 150dB car audio then you know that wrecks a car and its never the same after (squeaks and creaks from everywhere, seals break etc). Same thing happens to houses — and at far less than 150dB.
I’ve personally seen and witnessed every single one of the above with high bass output in multiple homes. In fact with less bass output than you are looking to achieve.

One single ULF 4000 we watched loosen drywall in realtime at the 2017 KC home theater crawl @d_c ’s house. Doug was literally using drywall screws in real time to secure drywall sheets that started flapping loose.
LOL awesome. I didn't realize things like this happen.

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That's why I mentioned before that I would be surprised if Jeff recommended more than 2 for your room.



IIRC, (Archaea can correct me) one of the members on that trip has/had eight sealed 18s and said that the single 4K was very competitive with them down low around tune. Obviously they had way more firepower higher up, but you can only use so much.


Yes, @carp @Gorilla83 @beastaudio and I all seriously raised our eyebrows when we heard just how powerful a single JTR ULF 4000 was, and we all had 8 sealed subs at the time.

We determined 1 4000ULF was just shy of the experience of 8 of our sealed 18" subs...……….



I'm going back through the crawl thread. Somebody posted this short of the JTR ULF 4000 on Bass I Love You with @Scott Simonian taking it in the gut. Look at his cloths fluttering and the screen fluttering.



One 4000 ULF in theater room at @Stoked21 's house




Again one 4000 ULF in Doug’s basement theater room and its effect upstairs in the kitchen. @d_c 's house

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I have no doubt that dual 4000's would beat my 8 sealed subs pretty handily. I say that because in my room from 40hz and down I get the full (or real close to it) 6 db increase when going from 1 sub stack to 2 sub stacks, and the 4000's would go in those same front corners so dual 4000's would give me around 6db's more from 40hz and below and a single 4000 was real close to matching both stacks of 18's. That last sentence was long and difficult to follow.

I don't even need what I have now though with the BOSS setup.

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I have no doubt that dual 4000's would beat my 8 sealed subs pretty handily. I say that because in my room from 40hz and down I get the full (or real close to it) 6 db increase when going from 1 sub stack to 2 sub stacks, and the 4000's would go in those same front corners so dual 4000's would give me around 6db's more from 40hz and below and a single 4000 was real close to matching both stacks of 18's. That last sentence was long and difficult to follow.

I don't even need what I have now though with the BOSS setup.
Did you guys happen to listen to music on the cap4000 during the home theater crawl? If so how did it compare to your 8 sealed subs as far as sound quality?
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Did you guys happen to listen to music on the cap4000 during the home theater crawl? If so how did it compare to your 8 sealed subs as far as sound quality?
I had the 4000 in my room for a week after the crawl, so I did a lot of comparing but it was mostly movies.

For music the sound/feel was very similar, just like it was for movies. For music I used 1 stack of subs instead of both to keep the comparison more fair (having 2 stacks smooths out the response) I'd say the 4000 was a little thicker/meatier/gruntier etc. - not in a bad way at all, just different and sometimes better. Depending on the song and my mood I might prefer the 8 sealed or the 4000 but that said it wasn't a very big difference and I would be happy with either.
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Did you guys happen to listen to music on the cap4000 during the home theater crawl? If so how did it compare to your 8 sealed subs as far as sound quality?
My Cap 4000ULF with music:

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Again one 4000 ULF in Doug’s basement theater room and its effect upstairs in the kitchen. @d_c 's house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Qd0jtld70
LOL - so spectacular I linked it to JTR's Hall of Fame "gallery"
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I had the 4000 in my room for a week after the crawl, so I did a lot of comparing but it was mostly movies.

For music the sound/feel was very similar, just like it was for movies. For music I used 1 stack of subs instead of both to keep the comparison more fair (having 2 stacks smooths out the response) I'd say the 4000 was a little thicker/meatier/gruntier etc. - not in a bad way at all, just different and sometimes better. Depending on the song and my mood I might prefer the 8 sealed or the 4000 but that said it wasn't a very big difference and I would be happy with either.
Excellent. I prefer a little meatier bottom end so pretty sure they will sound excellent to my ears.
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Excellent. I prefer a little meatier bottom end so pretty sure they will sound excellent to my ears.
I'd be shocked if you didn't love the 4000... and maybe fear it a little bit too.
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Only four 4000's?

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