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post #31 of 77 Old 05-19-2020, 11:37 AM
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Would these two subs beet rythmek FV18 or lara sound V1812? They are cheaper than a single sub


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Best bang for that price?

Two subs:
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There really are no other contenders. If you up your budget, or just prefer one monster sub, then I do recommend the single Monoporice 15"
Two subs are recommended by most, but if buying a single sub there is no way I'd spend almost $700 more for the Rythmik FV18 over the Monolith 15 when looking at output of both. You're really going to have to decide the max you want to spend and what that's getting you.
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In terms of peak output and extension, two of the Hsus will definitely not equal a single FV18. If properly integrated, the dual Hsus can offer a smoother response across multiple locations than a single sub. However, if dual FV15HPs or FV18s are an option for the future, they will provide the best of both worlds.

How about SVS PB-4000 is on sale as outlet unit for $1500. For the price how would it compare to the rythmek 15 or 18 options?
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How about SVS PB-4000 is on sale as outlet unit for $1500. For the price how would it compare to the rythmek 15 or 18 options?

SVS has free returns. Just try it yourself and find out if you like it. Even if you don't, you pay nothing to return it. Afterword, you will have more knowledge about your situation and people on here will be in a much better position to give you better recommendations.
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Two subs are recommended by most, but if buying a single sub there is no way I'd spend almost $700 more for the Rythmik FV18 over the Monolith 15 when looking at output of both. You're really going to have to decide the max you want to spend and what that's getting you.
Unless you value customer service.
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Two subs are recommended by most, but if buying a single sub there is no way I'd spend almost $700 more for the Rythmik FV18 over the Monolith 15 when looking at output of both. You're really going to have to decide the max you want to spend and what that's getting you.
Unless you value customer service.
Contacting Hobie of Monolith is easy. If CS is top priority then SVS should be bought by everyone.
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Contacting Hobie of Monolith is easy. If CS is top priority then SVS should be bought by everyone.
Not necessarily. Rythmik is top notch as well. It also comes down how issues are solved. Sending in a 100+lb sub for any issue is not for everyone
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Not necessarily. Rythmik is top notch as well. It also comes down how issues are solved. Sending in a 100+lb sub for any issue is not for everyone
Exactly. You dont have to read many personal experiences to know there is a different level of service from Rythmik, Hsu and PSA. I guess you can add SVS to that too but you pay for it up front with them. It's just not itemized in their price tag, like their so called "free" return shipping.
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Contacting Hobie of Monolith is easy. If CS is top priority then SVS should be bought by everyone.
I respectfully disagree.

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Best bang for that price?


Two subs:
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There really are no other contenders. If you up your budget, or just prefer one monster sub, then I do recommend the single Monoporice 15"
I have a pair of the HSUs above. Could not be happier with them.
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How about SVS PB-4000 is on sale as outlet unit for $1500. For the price how would it compare to the rythmek 15 or 18 options?

Audioholics has a very good review with data of the PB4000 and databass has the data for the FV18. Both were done by different peoples but both used similar testing methods. The results are comparable.

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How about SVS PB-4000 is on sale as outlet unit for $1500. For the price how would it compare to the rythmek 15 or 18 options?
The PB4000 is basically the same as the PB13 Ultra that was tested on Data-Bass. So you can compare it directly to the FV18 there. Depending on how each sub is setup, they are somewhat similar 16-50 Hz. The FV18 has a large advantage above and below those ranges, and a small to medium advantage within that range depending on configuration.
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Contacting Hobie of Monolith is easy. If CS is top priority then SVS should be bought by everyone.
No... I disagree. I was recently PM-ing with a guy who is a long time SVS customer with A LOT of their equipment and he was very unhappy with their recent customer service, which I admit shocked me because I've always heard their CS was excellent. So I'm not sure what's going on there but this guy was angry with the way they gave him a run around. I hope that is an anomaly and not the start of a trend for SVS. Nonetheless it should not have happened because in the end SVS changed their stance and it was remedied but at great distress for the customer.

From my experiences on AVS and in personal situations I have found PSA to have excellent CS. I've had emails answered at 10:00 Saturday night that I sent just an hour earlier. Literally, no one else does that. But right up there in great CS is Rythmik and usually Hsu.

So if having great CS is important (and it should be when you spend a lot on a sub) PSA, Rythmik, Hsu and then SVS would be the four I would look at... and in that order.

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If it were me I would narrow my choices down to the PSA and Rythmik subs that have already been mentioned (multiple times) because they are all good subs and you're room is moderate in size and any of them should work well.

Also, this is AVS so expect to be told to stretch your budget, it's what we do. But remember the room is at least 50% of the equation and proper calibration of that sub in the room is a HUGE part of getting all you can from the sub you buy. Buying more and bigger won't matter unless you take the time to dial in your sub properly. So stick to your budget, buy the sub that you like and then dial it in and you should be very happy.
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There really is not much room for debate that PSA has the best CS
Some recent PSA customers would beg to disagree, hope its not a new trend for PSA either...
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Some recent PSA customers would beg to disagree, hope its not a new trend for PSA either...
I haven't heard that, I hope that's not the case.

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I have been using dual Monolith 15's almost daily for 3 years now. Zero issues. I actually got both for $1900 shipped during a freak sale. If I would have listened to the naysayers I would never have bought them. So my opinion. Yes, customer service will likely be not as good an experience as the SVS's and PSA's of the world. But the likelihood of having a major issue resulting in shipping a large heavy sub back is very, very, low. The likelihood of getting a Monolith sub with zero issues is very, very, high. I have owned SVS, Hsu, eD, Klipsch, etc, etc and the Monolith build quality is exceptional. It's a very well made, well designed subwoofer. I think the customer service concerns with Monoprice are overblown and usually not warranted. Yes, there have been some. But I bet if I dig around I can find an unhappy customer for any brand here. It happens.

I am also a very big advocate of dual subwoofers. I would say take an honest review of your room, goals, and budget. If you don't think adding a second sub down the line is possible, something like dual Monolith or Hsu subs should be on the table for sure. And most people won't do this, but measuring and understanding your room is very important. You can buy a very expensive subwoofer and if your placement and room are not ideal, you will never maximize the potential of the sub. It's like buying a Lamborghini Aventedor and only being able to drive it to 60mph.

There are lots of white papers out there explaining the benefits of dual subwoofers (Harmon/JBL, Earl Geddes, Audioholics, etc).
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And most people won't do this, but measuring and understanding your room is very important. You can buy a very expensive subwoofer and if your placement and room are not ideal, you will never maximize the potential of the sub. It's like buying a Lamborghini Aventedor and only being able to drive it to 60mph.
Absolutely. Measuring is vital.

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No surprise people have to fanboy out and cheerlead for a company that isn't paying them. Or are they? Complete with an anecdote, too. The only knock, if you can call it a knock, against Monolith is that you currently have to send the entire sub back if something goes wrong. Other than that, acting like contacting Hobie if something goes wrong is somehow all that different than contacting Tom of PSA or Brian of Rythmik is disingenuous. If someone wants to spend an extra 700 bucks for being able to replace their own amp, then knock yourself out, I guess. But for pretty similar results for that much more money? No, thanks.

This is why people need to be honest about their max budget that they refuse to go above. The FV18 is almost $400 more than his budget. Why not just increase it until you have four JTR 4000ULFs and call it a day.
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No surprise people have to fanboy out and cheerlead for a company that isn't paying them. Or are they? Complete with an anecdote, too. The only knock, if you can call it a knock, against Monolith is that you currently have to send the entire sub back if something goes wrong. Other than that, acting like contacting Hobie if something goes wrong is somehow all that different than contacting Tom of PSA or Brian of Rythmik is disingenuous. If someone wants to spend an extra 700 bucks for being able to replace their own amp, then knock yourself out, I guess. But for pretty similar results for that much more money? No, thanks.

This is why people need to be honest about their max budget that they refuse to go above. The FV18 is almost $400 more than his budget. Why not just increase it until you have four JTR 4000ULFs and call it a day.
How about helping people set their subs up properly and answer questions? You are underestimating the PIA it can be when you have to first take a 100lb sub when it arrives, then send it back if issue and then take it in when it arrives...and make that double hard if you have to take it up the stairs. Its for the OP to decide if they can spend $400 and get a lot better performance and CS at the same time. All we can do is recommend and let the OP weigh pros and cons

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Other than that, acting like contacting Hobie if something goes wrong is somehow all that different than contacting Tom of PSA or Brian of Rythmik is disingenuous.
Not trying to be a smarta$$ here but has Hobie ever been known to deliver the Monolith's personally on occasion? Or help carry a sub upstairs and set it up for a customer? How about spending time helping customers dial them in?

This might be the case IDK.

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OP needs to define his goals and ares of importance.
Output?
Extension?
Coverage from seat to seat?

Is he someone who is going to implement something like BEQ? What does he have experience with? Is he in a position with wife/family/neighbors/etc to really take advantage of a high output/high extension sub? Does he have size restrictions and placement restrictions for a larger sub?

What are the room details? Is it treated properly? Has it been measured? There is so much to this than just buying a $2K sub, dropping it into the room, and hoping for the best.

I always tell people to plan on spending almost as much on proper room treatment than the cost of the sub itself. There are some great compnies out there that you can hire that will work with you on a room treatment plan and ensure that encompasses all your speakers, not just your sub. The room can make or break it and you have to be able to EQ and measure.
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lmao, another svs hater.
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lmao, another svs hater.
lonely being at the top.
keep it up svs.

I have had more svs subs that you could even count. Truth hurts. Go read my impressions thread and see what I said about the pb16. But does that compare to my FV18? No way. Not even close.


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Audioholics has a very good review with data of the PB4000 and databass has the data for the FV18. Both were done by different peoples but both used similar testing methods. The results are comparable.

I was expecting the PC4000 to be a lateral move to my SS MFW-15 but it was not in the same league for sound quality and TR. The only help that SVS customer service was to tell me I was overdriving the sub and needed to upgrade. The fact that the MFW was enough for my room and the 4000 was not they would not address. I thought there was something wrong with my 4000 but they said it was working fine and would not notify me upon receiving the return if there was a problem or not. So yes customer service is very responsive and friendly, but i'm not sure if they are always helpful.

I don't think a Pb4000 and an FV18 would sound even remotely the same.
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I was expecting the PC4000 to be a lateral move to my SS MFW-15 but it was not in the same league for sound quality and TR. The only help that SVS customer service was to tell me I was overdriving the sub and needed to upgrade. The fact that the MFW was enough for my room and the 4000 was not they would not address. I thought there was something wrong with my 4000 but they said it was working fine and would not notify me upon receiving the return if there was a problem or not. So yes customer service is very responsive and friendly, but i'm not sure if they are always helpful.

I don't think a Pb4000 and an FV18 would sound even remotely the same.
Numbers only tell one part of the story.

I agree they probably have a different sound signature. But as for SVS not being helpful, what did you expect them to do over the phone or via email in regards to you saying there was not enough output? It is what it is or was what it was. There was nothing more that they could have done in your situation. And of course there is the "every room is different and every end user is also different".



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I know it's the boring answer but Dual HSU VTF3 MK5 simply can't be beat at the moment.

I'm surprised no competitor has been able to rival this value yet.

$870 each sub(when you buy duals) and the compete against subs that cost between $1000-$1500

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I have had more svs subs that you could even count. Truth hurts. Go read my impressions thread and see what I said about the pb16. But does that compare to my FV18? No way. Not even close.


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truth hurts...lmao....
no hurt here, just get a kick at people here bashing svs.
i could give a ratts arse.
enjoy your puny lil 900 watt sub
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truth hurts...lmao....
no hurt here, just get a kick at people here bashing svs.
enjoy your puny lil 900 watt sub

That puny little 900 watts kicks the 1500 watt butt. You seem to suffer from inferiority complex.


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That puny little 900 watts kicks the 1500 watt butt. You seem to suffer from inferiority complex.


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lmao, man your quick !
i suffer from a few things, but thats not one of them.
btw... my daddy can beat your daddy up!
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I have had more svs subs that you could even count. Truth hurts. Go read my impressions thread and see what I said about the pb16. But does that compare to my FV18? No way. Not even close.


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I actually have been searching for your review or impressions of the PB16Ultra but I can't find it. Can you tell me what post count it is or maybe see if you have a link for it. Thanks!
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