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Subwoofer recommendations for $1500

hello eveyone,
I am planning to get a new subwoofer for my home theater in the basement. It is mainly for movies. The room is almost 14x18 sq ft. All other speakers are bowers and wilkins in wall speakers. I am looking for somethibg around 1500. I am considering rythmek, SVS or PSA. What will be my best bang for that price?

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One sub:
- PSA V1512 ($1,300, shipped)
- Rythmik FV15HP ($1,429, shipped)
- PSA V1812 ($1,600, shipped)

Two subs:
- Monoprice Monolith 12" THX Ultra Certified ($1,500/pr., shipped)
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hello eveyone,
I am planning to get a new subwoofer for my home theater in the basement. It is mainly for movies. The room is almost 14x18 sq ft. All other speakers are bowers and wilkins in wall speakers. I am looking for somethibg around 1500. I am considering rythmek, SVS or PSA. What will be my best bang for that price?

Thank you
The Rythmik Fv15HP will dig the deepest. With you being on concrete you will all the help from the sub you can get so that would be my pick. if you can stretch your budget a little then I would get the Fv18 paper cone for sure.

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If you can build something, you could build 2 subwoofers that would decimate any of those options. If not, better to have 2 “good” subs than 1 “great” sub. I would get the Monolith 12s or stretch the budget for the 15s.
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PSA TV1512 with a 13hz port tune(not on the website yet) will also fit your budget. I would go with that or the Rythmik FV15HP.
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Another vote for the Rythmik FV18 paper cone.
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Monolith 15" ported. It's currently on sale.
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Best bang for that price?


Two subs:
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There really are no other contenders. If you up your budget, or just prefer one monster sub, then I do recommend the single Monoporice 15"
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There really are no other contenders.
lol.

there are MANY contenders.



oh, btw...another vote for rythmik fvx15hp or the the fv18 if you can stretch the piggy bank.


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lol.

there are MANY contenders.



oh, btw...another vote for rythmik fvx15hp or the the fv18 if you can stretch the piggy bank.


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You must've missed the TWO subs part. But I would consider the other recommendation from an earlier post.



Two subs:
- Monoprice Monolith 12" THX Ultra Certified ($1,500/pr., shipped)



I've owned many Hsu subs, but only the Monolith 10" and it's quite a potent performer. I wouldn't hesitate picking up any of the Monolith subs. But overall, I felt the Hsu subs were more articulate, while being just as dynamic. I've yet to try a Rythmik sub, but the thread starter asked for best bang for the buck.

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If you can build something, you could build 2 subwoofers that would decimate any of those options. If not, better to have 2 “good” subs than 1 “great” sub. I would get the Monolith 12s or stretch the budget for the 15s.
I am not sure if that's true or not. I looked up how to make a DIY that would be the same as the cap 2400. The threads I found showed having to use a special expensive driver to get that kind of woofer travel. They were also using an expensive speaker power amp to get that kind of wattage on a plate amp. In the end the design was going to be very similar pricing to just buying the cap 2400. I thought I found something with the new eminence NSW6021-6 driver (21"). I was thinking of using it to build a devastator, but then the people that had both the devastator and JTR captivators said the captivators delivered way more impact than the devastator. They said the devastator was more for the excellent midbass punch. I then went looking for a solution for a just normalish high end driver and a 1000 watt
plate amp. By the time i was done with that I would be at close to $1100. Well for $1200 right now I can get the same thing with the monolith 15. Im just not sure I am buying the DIY route right now. I mean you are buying drivers and amps at retail pricing while the companies are buying them for much less in big quantities. I also know that you can save a little money by using a normal non plate amp, but that isn't fair since most the companies aren't selling them that way, and frankly they don't look as good having to put a separate amp somewhere. I also think the Devastator is flat ugly and bigger compared to a JTR 2400, a Rythimk FV25hp, or even the new monolith with 2 15" drivers. I have done the DIY route before also, and finishing speakers is a pain unless you pay big money for someone else to do it which ends up costing a huge amount of money.
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As far as single sub goes (in budget)

- TV1512
- FV15HP

Monolith 15" would be on that list to, but despite promises many months ago for improvement ,,,,,, big headaches still exist if you have any problems with the product.

Just above budget (single sub)

- FV18 paper cone (deeper extension)
- PSA V1812 (excellent performance, but not as much extension as Rythmik)

Dual subs (pretty much in budget)

- HSU VTF3-MK5 (excellent two sub performance in the price range,, and HSU will take care of you if there are any issues)
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In budget, I would recommend a single FV15HP, rather than two cheaper subs. If you enjoy the FV15HP, then you can purchase a second sub later on. The TV1512 may end up being a contender, but the shipping date is TBD and the final version may not even exist yet, so you could be waiting for months.
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In budget, I would recommend a single FV15HP, rather than two cheaper subs. If you enjoy the FV15HP, then you can purchase a second sub later on. The TV1512 may end up being a contender, but the shipping date is TBD and the final version may not even exist yet, so you could be waiting for months.
^^^ This and no data available to compare either

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i'm sort of in the same boat as the OP. budget in that range, will need new subs, smallish room, concrete floor.
where do dual SVS PB2000 Pros fall within the previous recs?

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In budget, I would recommend a single FV15HP, rather than two cheaper subs. If you enjoy the FV15HP, then you can purchase a second sub later on. The TV1512 may end up being a contender, but the shipping date is TBD and the final version may not even exist yet, so you could be waiting for months.
+1^

Did not realize the TV1512 was that far off. Unless the OP wants to take a chance on the 15" Monolith pretty hard to argue against the FV15HP. Considering the FV18 paper cone isnt much more if can stretch the budget really nothing else in that price range will out perform it. Imureh can attest to that,,,,, (and yes i spelled it right)

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i'm sort of in the same boat as the OP. budget in that range, will need new subs, smallish room, concrete floor.
where do dual SVS PB2000 Pros fall within the previous recs?
At the bottom

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Another vote for Rythmik FV15HP
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i'm sort of in the same boat as the OP. budget in that range, will need new subs, smallish room, concrete floor.
where do dual SVS PB2000 Pros fall within the previous recs?
About the same as the Monolith 12s.

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I have simpled down my recommendations for subs...get the biggest one you can fit/afford. my fv25hp is same size as my beer fridge....shoot maybe should get a 2nd beer fridge...errr...not...a 2nd fv25hp

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Thank you all with the recommendations I am mlst likely going with the rythmik FV15hp or FV18. I need to check the sizes and room placement. The 18 is HUGE and may look odd in my room.
Which cone should I go with? I see option for paper or metal? Whats the difference?
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I looked up how to make a DIY that would be the same as the cap 2400.
you're not the first and definitely won't be the last.

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In the end the design was going to be very similar pricing to just buying the cap 2400.
bingo. and as soon as you try to cut costs by using cheaper drivers, amp, etc., the end result is no longer the thing you were trying to create in the first place.

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captivators delivered way more impact than the devastator
not surprising.

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I mean you are buying drivers and amps at retail pricing while the companies are buying them for much less in big quantities
correct again.

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finishing speakers is a pain unless you pay big money for someone else to do it which ends up costing a huge amount of money.
eh i'll disagree. i watched dad finish his jtr 4000 knock off's with some kind of black duratex paint with a high nap roller and the effect is similar to a real captivator (which is actually good news as it means you can more easily repair a sub from transit damage, etc.).

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I also know that you can save a little money by using a normal non plate amp, but that isn't fair since most the companies aren't selling them that way, and frankly they don't look as good having to put a separate amp somewhere.
this is actually where DIY will continue to come out ahead (in terms of power per dollar). if you look around for used amps (specifically stuff used by bands, dj's, live venues etc.), you can find deals on extremely powerful amps for little money. the caveat being that they're usually very heavy, large, loud & ugly.

i don't think it's possible recreate a captivator, try as people might. like has been said before elsewhere, even if you source the drivers from Fi i doubt they will sell you what jeff purchases as they've been tweaked and probably can't be purchased off the shelf in the same manner. you can buy the speaker power amp but you won't have the dsp he programs the amp with. and lastly you can mimic the cabinet but it won't be 1:1 unless you happen to know someone with or own a captivator yourself to crudely rip it open and look at the vent length, size, bracing, insulation, etc..

or you can save yourself time, money & headache and just buy one directly from the source and not only have a turn-key product with a warranty, but know that you have rewarded the individual who created this beast that so many of us have come to love & enjoy. http://jtrspeakers.com/captivator-2400.html


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Thank you all with the recommendations I am mlst likely going with the rythmik FV15hp or FV18. I need to check the sizes and room placement. The 18 is HUGE and may look odd in my room.
Which cone should I go with? I see option for paper or metal? Whats the difference?
Paper is mostly geared towards HT which is not to say its bad for music. It has slightly higher distortion but gains +3db over 50hz vs aluminum

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you're not the first and definitely won't be the last.



bingo. and as soon as you try to cut costs by using cheaper drivers, amp, etc., the end result is no longer the thing you were trying to create in the first place.



not surprising.



correct again.



eh i'll disagree. i watched dad finish his jtr 4000 knock off's with some kind of black duratex paint with a high nap roller and the effect is similar to a real captivator (which is actually good news as it means you can more easily repair a sub from transit damage, etc.).



this is actually where DIY will continue to come out ahead (in terms of power per dollar). if you look around for used amps (specifically stuff used by bands, dj's, live venues etc.), you can find deals on extremely powerful amps for little money. the caveat being that they're usually very heavy, large, loud & ugly.

i don't think it's possible recreate a captivator, try as people might. like has been said before elsewhere, even if you source the drivers from Fi i doubt they will sell you what jeff purchases as they've been tweaked and probably can't be purchased off the shelf in the same manner. you can buy the speaker power amp but you won't have the dsp he programs the amp with. and lastly you can mimic the cabinet but it won't be 1:1 unless you happen to know someone with or own a captivator yourself to crudely rip it open and look at the vent length, size, bracing, insulation, etc..

or you can save yourself time, money & headache and just buy one directly from the source and not only have a turn-key product with a warranty, but know that you have rewarded the individual who created this beast that so many of us have come to love & enjoy. http://jtrspeakers.com/captivator-2400.html
Your last paragraph made me remember something really big that I left out earlier. If you finish your DIY and it sounds like crud, you can't return it. I forgot about the warranty also, but you covered that for me lol. There were some people buying an off the shelf Fi driver that would be as good as Jeff's, but it was not cost effective at all. JTR subs are high, but they are still a good value.

Almost forgot about your finish comment. I had one sub come out awesome with some truck bed liner, and then my next one looked horrible for some reason. I have tried piano gloss and I am a failure. I still have a sub and 2 Natalie P speakers to paint or veneer. Hopefully this summer I will find something that works for even me.
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I am planning to get a new subwoofer for my home theater in the basement. It is mainly for movies. The room is almost 14x18 sq ft. All other speakers are bowers and wilkins in wall speakers. I am looking for somethibg around 1500. I am considering rythmek, SVS or PSA. What will be my best bang for that price?

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If you can stretch your budget check out the Rythmik FV18 or the PSA TV1812 demo both keep what sounds best to you.


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Would these two subs beet rythmek FV18 or lara sound V1812? They are cheaper than a single sub


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Best bang for that price?

Two subs:
Hsu VTF3-Mk5


There really are no other contenders. If you up your budget, or just prefer one monster sub, then I do recommend the single Monoporice 15"
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Would these two subs beet rythmek FV18 or lara sound V1812? They are cheaper than a single sub

Good question. It probably depends on how well you can align the 2 vs the 1. Integrating 1 is easier than 2. If you do 2, you'll need either an AVR with independent dual sub control or a miniDSP 2x4.

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Would these two subs beet rythmek FV18 or lara sound V1812? They are cheaper than a single sub

Value-wise, I would say yes, but as badtlc mentioned, you need to be able to have the physical space for both subs, and the means to properly EQ them. Make sure you have the space for them. If you're not sure, then definitely get the best single sub you can get, and see how you like it.
I haven't demo'd a rythmik sub, but I wouldn't hesitate to get one based on numerous recommendations.

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In terms of peak output and extension, two of the Hsus will definitely not equal a single FV18. If properly integrated, the dual Hsus can offer a smoother response across multiple locations than a single sub. However, if dual FV15HPs or FV18s are an option for the future, they will provide the best of both worlds.
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Would these two subs beet rythmek FV18 or lara sound V1812? They are cheaper than a single sub


Edit: The spread sheet at the bottom of the Data-bass SPL testing shows 115.9db for FV18 at 20htz vs the chart above showing compression at 110htz. Not sure how to interpret this.

I see. The chart was showing long term sweep results vs the spreadsheet showing max burst.

Now I'm wondering if the HSU results were max burst or long term sweeps and dont have time to check at the moment.

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