Sub recommendations? - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 13 Old 05-30-2020, 11:49 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
jjanon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 37
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Sub recommendations?

One more 'need sub recommendations' thread

I'd appreciate subwoofer recs for a dedicated small media room (around 14' by 11' by 8'). I use it for 70%/30% movie/music, and my budget is around $2500. Given the position of my wall mounted TV, the sub(s) would need to be under 22" high, which has me considering two SVS SB-3000s. Any suggestions or feedback? I haven't actually listened to a ported subwoofer before (and I obviously can't go in store now) so I'm not sure what the additional depth of the PB-3000s would be like. Also can these be placed on their sides?

My AV dealer is suggesting a single JL Audio Fathom 112v2 fwiw

Appreciate any feedback or suggestions.
jjanon is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 13 Old 05-30-2020, 12:25 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
imureh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,662
Mentioned: 293 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3574 Post(s)
Liked: 4881
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjanon View Post
One more 'need sub recommendations' thread

I'd appreciate subwoofer recs for a dedicated small media room (around 14' by 11' by 8'). I use it for 70%/30% movie/music, and my budget is around $2500. Given the position of my wall mounted TV, the sub(s) would need to be under 22" high, which has me considering two SVS SB-3000s. Any suggestions or feedback? I haven't actually listened to a ported subwoofer before (and I obviously can't go in store now) so I'm not sure what the additional depth of the PB-3000s would be like. Also can these be placed on their sides?

My AV dealer is suggesting a single JL Audio Fathom 112v2 fwiw

Appreciate any feedback or suggestions.
You have a few choices here. If you lay your subs on their side you could look at Rythmik FV15HP and FV18. If that is a no go you can also look at the F18. All of them will give you better performance than the SVS.

Subwoofers: Dual Rythmik FV18s Rev2 with Paper cone, BOSS Platform mini riser, 2 BK LFE
Speakers: PSA MTM-210 L/C/R - Klipsch 250S Surrounds, PSA MT 110sr Rear Surrounds, 4 x SVS Prime Elevation for Atmos
Video: Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 6500 UB; Room: 2100 cuft sealed on suspended floor
Receiver & Players: Denon X4400H, Oppo UDP-203, Roku Ultra. Apple TV, Minidsp 2X4 HD
imureh is online now  
post #3 of 13 Old 05-30-2020, 01:00 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
badtlc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 1,094
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 816 Post(s)
Liked: 366
You may not need to do ported with your smaller room. Getting some high end sealed subs could get you some nice flat responses down to 15Hz or lower.

$2500 is a nice budget.

Good ported dual sub options:
  • FVX12 (14hz tuned)
  • FVX15 (12hz tuned, need to be laid on side)
  • VTF15H (needs to be on side)
  • VTF3 (needs to be on side)
Good sealed dual sub options:
  • L22 or E22 (E22 is the same as L22 except with aluminum cones)
  • ULS-15
  • F15HP
  • S1512 (@bear123 got these flat down to below 15Hz in his room if I remember right)
EDIT: If unsure of what might be enough for you SVS is a great option because they will let you return the subs at no cost to you, no return shipping charges. Everyone else will likely charge you return shipping.

Front: Polk S55
Center: Polk S30
Rear: Polk S10
Sub: P̶L̶-̶2̶0̶0̶I̶I̶ | (̶2̶)̶ ̶F̶V̶X̶1̶2̶ | V1812
AVR: Denon AVR-X3500H
badtlc is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 13 Old 05-30-2020, 04:41 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
spyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,875
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 383 Post(s)
Liked: 326
For a room as small as that I recommend the HSU ULS-15 MK2 currently on sale for $749 plus $85 shipping. Get 2 while the Memorial day sale is on.

The ULS-15 MK2 measures 18 X 18 X 18 inches.
spyboy is online now  
post #5 of 13 Old 05-30-2020, 07:04 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
indebtbassfreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: BC Interior.
Posts: 2,950
Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1650 Post(s)
Liked: 3082
What are your listening habits,,, bass expectations,,(are you chasing the deepest extension,,,, or the highest SPL that say a 16Hz ported sub would provide?) How many seating positions? Are you on a concrete slab or floating floor? At only 1230^3 you have the luxury of getting loads of bass SPL within your budget.

If on concrete i'd lean towards ported,,,, while a floating floor in just 1230^3 (sealed?) room would certainly do a pair of 15" sealed subs justice. If priority is just one or two seating positions, then a larger single sub could do very well. Any of the sub choices mentioned already will crush that small room with proper set up.

-Marantz SR-8012
-Yamaha BD-A1060
-Funk 21.0LX Master/Slave combo 4800 watts RMS/9600watts (peak)-
-Chane A-2.4 L/C/R
-Chane A-1.4 side/rear surrounds.
indebtbassfreak is offline  
post #6 of 13 Old 05-30-2020, 08:22 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
DonH50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Monument CO
Posts: 12,674
Mentioned: 82 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3475 Post(s)
Liked: 3690
Small room... Is it sealed? Assuming yes, I'd get a pair of subs to better smooth the bass, and as a Rythmik owner would go with the F12. I have four of them in a room not much larger and they don't dominate the room the way larger subs might (which may or may not matter to you) and they provide way more output than I need in that size room.

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley
DonH50 is online now  
post #7 of 13 Old 05-31-2020, 07:04 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
bear123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: PA
Posts: 7,663
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3562 Post(s)
Liked: 5494
Pair of PSA S1512 should rock your room pretty good. I was easily flat to 10 Hz with a pair in a 2525 ft^3 room. Your room is half the size so you could likely keep the room size control turned down for extra headroom and still have strong response as low as you need it. They might be overkill but well within budget.
bear123 is online now  
post #8 of 13 Old 05-31-2020, 08:48 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 7,340
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3885 Post(s)
Liked: 13146
Personally, if I were you I'd be looking at the dual subs from PSA, Rythmik or Hsu. All have good products, all have good customer service. I feel certain you should be able to find a sub from one of those three that would meet all your needs.

Subwoofers: PSA TV36 iPal X2 ...Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210C Center- PSA MT110SR's Surrounds - PSA MT110's Rear - RSL C34E Atmos... Motion Actuators: Crowson Shadow 8 - X2
Video: Samsung UN65KS9000 4K SUHD - Oppo UDP-203... AVR:Denon X4400... Gaming: XBOX ONE S
Hopinater is offline  
post #9 of 13 Old 05-31-2020, 09:07 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Soulburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lincoln
Posts: 6,195
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 194 Post(s)
Liked: 2339
Someone with an even smaller media room than me

I had two of the best 12" sealed subs you can get in my 17 x 10.5 x 8 foot 2nd floor room. I guess for most average people they would definitely be enough. But this is AVS...

Whatever you do, the physics of small rooms require two subs to smooth out the inevitable bass problems you are going to have. Best bet is one at the front and one at the rear of the room.

Two PSA S1512 or two Rythmik F15 are my recommendation. Either will sound and perform better than the JL. If you're on a concrete slab, go with V1512 or FVX15 instead.
Soulburner is online now  
post #10 of 13 Old 06-01-2020, 08:53 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
jjanon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 37
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Thanks for all your responses. The room is in a basement with a concrete floor with carpet on top. Not sure what you all mean by 'is it sealed' - it's enclosed except for a single barn door in the rear. I didn't know about Rythmik - thank you for the recommendation. The E15 seems great.
jjanon is offline  
post #11 of 13 Old 06-02-2020, 10:44 AM
Senior Member
 
mevansmusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 289
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 185 Post(s)
Liked: 86
I own a SB-3000. I will say that if you are not strictly limited on size, you can get better sealed subwoofers for the money. I do love my SVS as I don't think you will find a better sounding 15" box around, but if you can just go slightly bigger, it would likely be worth it for the cost.

The biggest competitor to the SB-3000 is the Hsu ULS-15 MkII. Above 30hz (where most music and movies are) the two subs have very similar output. But the Ulsuses a 15" driver instead of 13", giving it much better output below 30hz, as it digs down almost twice as much. The SB-3000 is a 15" cube while the ULS-15 is a 18" cube. If you The ULS-15 retails for $750. That being said, shipping is not free and you must pay return shipping if you don't like it. It also lacks app control which may or may not be a big deal for you. For the most part your room correction might be better than what the app offers but I do like having profiles I can switch on the fly. When you consider all of it together, the price difference isn't as great.

Here is a output comparison. Again, output above 30hz is very similar so this is just focusing on the lower range where the difference is.

SB-3000 numbers are as follows (CEA 2010 2meter)

20hz = 93.6dB

25hz = 98.7dB

31.5hz = 104.8dB



HSU ULS15 numbers (converted from 1meter to 2m numbers by subtracting 9dB)

20hz = 99.4dB

25hz = 103.5dB

31.5hz = 108.8dB

TV: TCL 6 Series 75"
Speakers: Hsu Research HB-1 and HC-1
Sub: SVS SB-3000
AVR: Yamaha HTR-4065
Previously Owned Equipment: Elac B5 and C5, SVS PB10-NSD
mevansmusic is offline  
post #12 of 13 Old 06-02-2020, 08:03 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 22
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I tried an SB-3000 because I like the dimensions of sealed subwoofers. However, I ended up returning it because it didn't have the lower end output I hoped for in my large viewing space. I'd like to audition a Rythmik F18 but it's almost double $$$.
Big Grove is offline  
post #13 of 13 Old 06-02-2020, 10:44 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Soulburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lincoln
Posts: 6,195
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 194 Post(s)
Liked: 2339
You may need to consider a vented model, though like you said the dimensions grow.

System 1: Samsung Plasma | Denon X4500H | Hypex Ncore NC252MP | Buchardt S400 | Polk LSiM 702 F/X | Heights TBD | Subs TBD Rythmik
System 2: Laptop | NAD T758 v3 | PSB Imagine B
System 3: PC | Micca OriGen G2 | Mackie MR624
Soulburner is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off