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SVS PB-1000 vs SVS PC-Ultra vs Klipsch Sub 12HG

Hello guys,

I have the Klipsch Sub 12HG currently. It's fine but has been very boomy recently (don't recall it always being this way and there's a chance it has more to do with its location but I don't have any other location for it). Unfortunately, my Klipsch Sub 12HG just got bad and makes a loud hum while on even with nothing connected. As such, I'm looking to either:

1) Repair it (probably around $50 - $100 is my guess)
2) Buy a new SVS PB-1000 on Craigslist for about $300
3) Buy the old SVS PC-Ultra on Craigslist for about $350

Please what would you advise on the best course of action here. How would you rank all 3 subwoofers?

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Any thoughts from anyone pleaase?
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I should also add that the living room size is about 17x14ft but is opened to the dining room. Including the dining room, the full room size is 17x24ft.

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The PC-Ultra will be the most powerful but if it doesn't have warranty it's also the riskest purchase. The PB-1000 is a good ported sub but it may be underpowered for your space but, given that you seem OK with how the Klipsch performs, probably not. If you can swing $500, a brand-new Monoprice Monolith 10" THX Select Certified sub would be my pick.
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The PC-Ultra will be the most powerful but if it doesn't have warranty it's also the riskest purchase. The PB-1000 is a good ported sub but it may be underpowered for your space but, given that you seem OK with how the Klipsch performs, probably not. If you can swing $500, a brand-new Monoprice Monolith 10" THX Select Certified sub would be my pick.
Thanks for this! I live on the 1st floor in a condo and even though I'm in a corner unit (with my living space facing outside), I still want to be careful with not over rattling the walls. As such, I'm typically not looking for too much bass.

I just talked to SVS customer service and they said the PC-Ultra is closer to the PC-4000 than the PC-2000. That seems a big deal if that's the case considering how much more powerful and expensive the PC-4000 is. I reiterated to him that it's the 12" driver (not the PC13-Ultra) and he said he knew and was very sure of what he was saying. If that's truly the case, $350 for the PC-Ultra seems pretty good even with the risk.

Another option is getting the PB12-NSD from the SVS outlet for $450. Would you recommend the Monoprice over the PB12-NSD?

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… I just talked to SVS customer service and they said the PC-Ultra is closer to the PC-4000 than the PC-2000. That seems a big deal if that's the case considering how much more powerful and expensive the PC-4000 is. I reiterated to him that it's the 12" driver (not the PC13-Ultra) and he said he knew and was very sure of what he was saying. …
According to this 2004 review of the PC-Ultra:
- 12" driver
- 525W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 20-100Hz +1/-3dB (+/-2dB)

According to the product page for the PC-2000:
- 12" driver
- 500W (RMS/continuous) amp'
- 16-260Hz +/-3dB

According to the product page for the PC-4000:
- 13.5" driver
- 1200W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 15-200Hz +/-3dB (extended mode)
- 16-200Hz +/-3dB (sealed mode)

I believe the CS rep is mistaken.

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… If that's truly the case, $350 for the PC-Ultra seems pretty good even with the risk. …
Even if that were there case, I'd be reluctant to spend $350 on a ~16-year-old subwoofer.

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… Another option is getting the PB12-NSD from the SVS outlet for $450. Would you recommend the Monoprice over the PB12-NSD? …
Although the PB12-NSD might have stronger sub-20Hz output, I'd still go with the Monolith 10" as it is newer, will have strong overall output (with likely more mid-bass than the PB12) and is tune-able (flexibility that may not - or may - be useful).

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Thanks a lot for the comments!

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According to this 2004 review of the PC-Ultra:
Although the PB12-NSD might have stronger sub-20Hz output, I'd still go with the Monolith 10" as it is newer, will have strong overall output (with likely more mid-bass than the PB12) and is tune-able (flexibility that may not - or may - be useful).
I'm tempted to just pay the extra $100-$200 over the Monolith 10" to get the SVS PB-2000. I talked to SVS again and they reiterated that for my space, a PB-2000 is "needed". Apparently, even the PB12-NSD would barely cut it. Didn't want to spend $700 on a subwoofer now though since it wasn't in the plan. Any thoughts on the PB-2000 vs the Monolith?

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Just searched for a comparison and it appears the Monoliths are the way to go. Apparently, if I'm ready to spend more on a SVS PB-2000, I should be looking at a Monolith 12" (although it's currently $100 more).

Do you think the Monolith 10" would be enough to fill up my space? How does the 10" compare to a SVS PB-2000?

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According to this 2004 review of the PC-Ultra:
- 12" driver
- 525W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 20-100Hz +1/-3dB (+/-2dB)

According to the product page for the PC-2000:
- 12" driver
- 500W (RMS/continuous) amp'
- 16-260Hz +/-3dB

According to the product page for the PC-4000:
- 13.5" driver
- 1200W (RMS/continuous) amp
- 15-200Hz +/-3dB (extended mode)
- 16-200Hz +/-3dB (sealed mode)

I believe the CS rep is mistaken.
I agree. I talked to them again and asked what the risk of buying the PC-Ultra is. They essentially said that either the amp or the driver could give way. However, they still sell both parts for $250. So if it's comparable/a bit better than a PC-2000 (or close to a Monolith 12"), then it seems it might be worth it. Pay $350, if something goes bad, spend $250 and that totals $600 (which is about the same price of a used PC-2000 and less than the price of a Monolith 12"). If nothing goes bad, then all good. Any thoughts?
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I'll tell you what I got the PB1000 about 5 years ago because my other non svs sub died. I bought it quickly and it was in my price range. This sub surprises the hell out of my on a daily basis. It shakes this room pretty good. I was watching venom today and it was just nuts. That sub was blowing me away. Need to add a second at some point.

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I'll tell you what I got the PB1000 about 5 years ago because my other non svs sub died. I bought it quickly and it was in my price range. This sub surprises the hell out of my on a daily basis. It shakes this room pretty good. I was watching venom today and it was just nuts. That sub was blowing me away. Need to add a second at some point.

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Thanks. Mind sharing how large your space is?
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Thanks. Mind sharing how large your space is?
Well it's a very open space. My home theater is quite frankly in a really crappy room that is open to the dining room and kitchen and oh a hallway. It's quite a bit of space to shake.

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... Do you think the Monolith 10" would be enough to fill up my space? How does the 10" compare to a SVS PB-2000? ...
I'd take the PB-2000 over the Monolith 10". At ~3,300 cu.ft. your space is fairly large so IMO neither sub will pressurize it sufficiently, but if your space is on a suspended floor you should get some tactile sensation to compensate. (If it's on a concrete slab, you'll definitely want to double up.)

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... I talked to them again and asked what the risk of buying the PC-Ultra is. They essentially said that either the amp or the driver could give way. However, they still sell both parts for $250. So if it's comparable/a bit better than a PC-2000 (or close to a Monolith 12"), then it seems it might be worth it. Pay $350, if something goes bad, spend $250 and that totals $600 (which is about the same price of a used PC-2000 and less than the price of a Monolith 12"). If nothing goes bad, then all good. Any thoughts?
Yup: I like your math.

Given that replacement parts are available, $350 on a PC-Ultra seems like a good gamble. And if you do need to double up you should be able to pair easily enough with a PC-2000.

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Cool thanks. Open Box Like-New SVS PB-2000 for $599 with the full warranty sound like a good deal?
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That's what @eljaycanuck just said. How many answers do you want?

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... Open Box Like-New SVS PB-2000 for $599 with the full warranty sound like a good deal?
Yup.
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Do you think the Monolith 10" would be enough to fill up my space? How does the 10" compare to a SVS PB-2000?

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For 3,500+ cuft, if you are looking at a single sub I would suggest not looking at anything less than 15". Here are some starting points to look at and see if the price bothers you:


1) HSU VTF3 $870
2) HSU ULS15 $840 (smallest size enclosure if space is tight)

3) HSU VTF15 $1,075 (safest bet of the HSU options)


These will all be much better options than the 12" choices for your space.

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I wouldn't spend the extra $200 for the HSU VTF 15 H MK2 over the HSU VTF 3 MK5. SoundandVision magazine tested both and didn't find a compelling difference to justify the extra $200. Put the extra $200 towards a second HSU VTF 3 MK5.
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I wouldn't spend the extra $200 for the HSU VTF 15 H MK2 over the HSU VTF 3 MK5. SoundandVision magazine tested both and didn't find a compelling difference to justify the extra $200. Put the extra $200 towards a second HSU VTF 3 MK5.
3dB at 16Hz, 2dB at 20Hz, and pretty even above that (single port on both, EQ1). In 2 port mode and EQ2, they're essentially equal in output. It comes down to whether or not adding the equivalent of a 2nd driver or double amp power at 16Hz for about $200 is worth it; that's a decision each person has to make themselves...

The VTF-3 Mk5 is an astounding intersection of output, depth, sound quality, and price.
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Cool thanks. Open Box Like-New SVS PB-2000 for $599 with the full warranty sound like a good deal?
Probably. I just set up an SB-3000 in a Focal Aria 5.1 setup, it is REALLY nice. Even the packing, just everything thought out. READ THE BOX BEFORE OPENING. The app is easy to use, really handy to change the sub level on the fly due to listening volume and masterings.
P.S. Don't stint on sub for a big space. Oh the -3000 is in a big space, cathedral ceiling living room connected to kitchen and upstairs. Not in a corner. Still can play pretty loud though we haven't tried the Master and Commander cannons or Motorhead yet.
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