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Sub recommendation for a new HT system

I am building now my first HT system to my new apartment and I need some advice which subwoofer to choose.
My seating place will be in a long living room. I will have a big window from one side, and the other side will be open to the rest of the house.
Dimensions:
• The distance between the seating place and the speakers are 8.5 feet
• The length of the living-room + kitchen open space is 44 feet (The seating place is in the end, just small part of it.
• Ceiling height - 9 feet
• Overall volume ~4500 cubic feet + some more small space
The speakers that I ordered are:
Front: Elac Debute B6.2
Center: Elac Debute C6.2
Rear: Elac Debute OW4.2


I am debating which sub to buy:
1. SVS pb-1000 at $499.99
2. or PB-2000 (not the pro), currently on sale at $699.99
3. Something else?


I am relocating from the US, and I'm taking it with me. So I cannot test it in their place.
I need the best bet... one chance
I will be using it especially for movies.
I want to have high quality sound, but not to disturb the neighbors so much.
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What's the budget?

If you're relocating from the US, then I'd strongly recommend you look at HSU Research.

You won't find better subs for the money unless you DIY.

MiniDSP 2x4HD, UMIK-1, REW... The holy trinity for running multiple subs.

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What's the budget?

If you're relocating from the US, then I'd strongly recommend you look at HSU Research.

You won't find better subs for the money unless you DIY.
I was thinking about ~$500 (something like the pb-1000).
But in case it won't be strong enough, I can spent a bit more, but the roof is $700

Is VTF-2 MK5 Subwoofer will be better than the pb-1000?
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I have been reading for hours

My choices for now are:

1) pb-2000 (not pro) - in sale at $699.99
2) HSU VTF-2 MK5 - $539 + $65 shipping = $604

Warranty doesn't matter since I ship them out of the US..

I read that my elac b6.2 fron speakers can get down to 35hz,
does this means I should get the pb-2000 which have a stronger lows?

Which one is a better deal?
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Is VTF-2 MK5 Subwoofer will be better than the pb-1000?

Yes. It is likely better than a PB-2000 too.

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I have been reading for hours

My choices for now are:

1) pb-2000 (not pro) - in sale at $699.99
2) HSU VTF-2 MK5 - $539 + $65 shipping = $604

Warranty doesn't matter since I ship them out of the US..

I read that my elac b6.2 fron speakers can get down to 35hz,
does this means I should get the pb-2000 which have a stronger lows?

Which one is a better deal?
unlikely that the elac bookshelves go down to 35hz with any real authority. You would be crossing over much higher. Both subs will work well with your speakers. My vote also goes to the HSU its bang for buck!

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Yes, you will cross your mains at 60-80 minimum. 80 being typical. Don't focus on them for sub choice per se. Its not really the determining factor.

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VTF-2 will trounce a PB1000, and is likely better than the PB2000 as well.

MiniDSP 2x4HD, UMIK-1, REW... The holy trinity for running multiple subs.

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I'm so happy!
I actually hates the pb-2000 metal grills but didn't want to compromise audio quality

So I will probably go with the VTF-2, but I have two questions:
1) Would the VTF-2 will function well also in low volumes watching?
2) Do I need to decouple it from the floor with something like SVS SoundPath? (it will be in a hard tiles floor apartment)
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I actually hates the pb-2000 metal grills...1) Would the VTF-2 will function well also in low volumes watching?
I just put an SVS SB-3000 into a Focal Aria 5.1 system. Everything well thought out, really impressive, and really adds authority to the lows. Having said that, I met Dr Ph Hsu once, he was a nice guy AND really knows how to make cranking subs. BUT does that VTF-2 have a remote? To me a remote is a MUST for a sub. And absolute MUST-in part because of your question. Human hearing is extremely level sensitive at low frequencies (Search "Fletcher Munson") PLUS bass levels of records can vary a lot, and so you simply have to be able to modify the sub level on the fly.
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I've never thought to myself "you know, the thing missing from my subwoofer is a remote", but that's just me. One can already change the subwoofer level on the fly, by using the AVR remote and increasing the trim, or getting up and increasing the subwoofer gain knob a notch, or using a miniDSP (if you have one) to increase the gain, etc. I also don't mess with the levels (BEQ aside) once the subwoofer has been dialed into the system. IMHO, I wouldn't let a remote set a subwoofer apart; it's all about pure output per dollar, period. It's also one more thing to break or lose. :shrug:
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