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If you are talking about the Aura Pro shaker, the amp is not strong enough or a good choice. What bass shakers are you referring to?
Teh bass shakers are those cheap from amazon, rated 100 W.



Maybe a subwoofer plate amp like the Monacor SAM300D is a better choice...?
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anyone willing to share their setup with bk lfe and inuke dsp? I'm finding that I have to really up the gain at the pre amp and the inuke
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I don't know which BK LFE you have . If the continuous power is 400/1500 peak, set the I nuke to deliver 400 watt and 4 ohms. Adjust the gain on your I nuke to an acceptable level. If that is not enough go in the Filters tab and add a bit more gain. It's not possible to set a hpf in the I Nuke below around 15 Hz to my knowledge. It may be worth setting a lpf 40-50 Hz so that the BK is not going off all the time.
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I don't know which BK LFE you have . If the continuous power is 400/1500 peak, set the I nuke to deliver 400 watt and 4 ohms. Adjust the gain on your I nuke to an acceptable level. If that is not enough go in the Filters tab and add a bit more gain. It's not possible to set a hpf in the I Nuke below around 15 Hz to my knowledge. It may be worth setting a lpf 40-50 Hz so that the BK is not going off all the time.
Derrick, thanks for the help!

I have the standard buttkicker-lfe (the large one). Unfortunately, the hpf can only be set to 20hz. Thanks for reminding me to set the ohms. Which setting do I use to set the wattage?
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Under Configuration, hit 4 ohm and spin the limiter dial until you see the correct wattage. Next, go to the second tab set filter to +4. Then under the 3rd tab for parametric EQ set the gain to -4, HS 12, frequency to 20 Hz. This will lower the HPF to around 15 Hz with a Butterworth 18 db slope.
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I am thinking of trying some bass shakers for our 2 seat sectional and am hoping to get a few opinions/suggestions.
I am leaning towards getting a bundle from parts express to keep things simple and not have to worry about getting the power and load specs for the amp and shakers wrong.
It looks like 2 on each chair, 1 under seat, and 1 behind back, is what alot of people do, so I think I will give that a try.

My questions are about the bundles.

Part # 300-9016 has 4 dayton shakers and a dayton 230 watt amp for $319.

Part # 300-9008 has 4 BK mini's with the dayton 230 watt amp for $509

Part # 300-9006 has 4 aura shakers with the dayton 230 watt amp for $357

The dayton and aura shakers are much cheaper and appear to have similar specs. so I am leaning towards one of these, but wouldn't mind spending the extra for the BK mini's if they would provide a noticeable improvement over the others.
Or is there a better option for similar $ I should be looking at?
Any recommendations will be appreciated.
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I used the Dayton amps and sent them back. They are not has good of a choice as the I Nuke amps. An I Nuke 1000 DSP or 3000 DSP amp is a nice choice. I use the Aura Pro's and like them. I have no experience with the other 2.
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Thanks derrickdj1, I will look at the Inuke amps you mentioned.
I was thinking that since they had it in what they call a bundle, that the amps would be a good match, but if the Inukes work better I will probably go with one of those.
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Any suggestions on how to use the receiver LFE for the bass shaker plate amp and headphones at the same time?


Gear: ps4 to pioneer lx56 receiver through HDMI. Receiver to 5.1 surround speakers. Second LFE output to plate amp.

What I'm looking for is a way to use headphones and LFE channel for the bass shaker to play at night. The receiver has zone 2 but it doesn't downmix surround sound.

One way is to buy a headphone amp and use the receiver pre-outs? But then I would loose the info of the center and rear channels...
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Can shakers be used for those row style theater seats? (or will I just need to buy more transducers?)
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I hope this is the correct thread to ask these questions. If not, let me know will you?

I am interested in getting a Buttkicker.

1. How come their website has out of stock? Sure feels funny.

2. I'm just trying to shake one La-Z-Boy. Don't know which kit to go for. LFE. Concert. Advanced. Mini LFE. Mini Concert. And then there is the question of which amplifier.

3. My chair is on a tile floor on concrete. What is the best method to connect the transducer to the chair? Mount the transducer to the mounting plate, and place the chair leg on top of the mounting plate? Or do I need to attach the transducer to the frame?

4. Do I need to have and use speciality rubber chair feet?
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I can't find ButtKicker products in stock anywhere. Are they out of business?

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I had written ButtKicker and this is their reply. My supposition above that maybe they are out of business was/is obviously wrong. Sorry about that.

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For a single seat I'd suggest a ButtKicker mini LFE mounted to the frame of the seat. You'll want to use our RI-K28 isolator feet to "float" the seat, this reduces the mass we need to shake and produces a much better effect. As our power amplifiers are currently in back-order until late spring I'd suggest driving the mini LFE with the Dayton Audio APA150 power amp (https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...ifier--300-812).

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The Dayton Audio APA150 150W Power Amplifier has a frequency response down to 20 Hz.
The Buttkicker BKA1000-N amp has a frequency response down to 10 Hz.
The BK-mini-LFE transducer goes down to 10 Hz.
The BK-LFE transducer goes down to 5 Hz.

That the amplifier only goes to 20 Hz (or 10 Hz), does that mean I would not get any movement below that value?

Going below 20 Hz, to 10 or 5 Hz, does that make any real difference? Should I wait until they have the BK-LFE-KIT back in stock since it goes down to lowest Hz?

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More important than the amp spec of frequency extension, will it meet the power demands of the device. TT's work harder than the subs and speakers.
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I wanted to check about installing 4 shakers underneath my theater riser. Would this be ok to do? I have 5 seats currently and was thinking of getting from parts express the 4 Dayton Audio BST-1 Bass Shakers with SA230 Amp Bundle. Has anyone done this or should I just install underneath on each seat and leave one seat out.

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I wanted to check about installing 4 shakers underneath my theater riser. Would this be ok to do? I have 5 seats currently and was thinking of getting from parts express the 4 Dayton Audio BST-1 Bass Shakers with SA230 Amp Bundle. Has anyone done this or should I just install underneath on each seat and leave one seat out.
I am NOT an expert on shakers. However I do read.
1. Is your riser nailed/screwed down? You probably don't want shakers on something that is secured to something else.
2. You are wanting to put shakers on your riser, and move that, which will indirectly move the chairs. Seems inefficient.
3. If any of the chairs are connected to each other, you could try sharing one shaker across two seats. It would be a lessened effect, but maybe some people would like that.

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I am NOT an expert on shakers. However I do read.
1. Is your riser nailed/screwed down? You probably don't want shakers on something that is secured to something else.
2. You are wanting to put shakers on your riser, and move that, which will indirectly move the chairs. Seems inefficient.
3. If any of the chairs are connected to each other, you could try sharing one shaker across two seats. It would be a lessened effect, but maybe some people would like that.
Yes I started reading alot of threads and information and I dont think it will be an option. Better to just put one shaker under the seat for the full effect.
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If it were me, I'd leave one seat withOUT a shaker, as there is always someone who doesn't like the shaking.
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You are so dead on with this one. Everyone does not want their brains rattled.
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So, has anyone hooked up any shakers to an old extra A/V receiver laying around?

I have two receivers. Let's call the main one 'primary' (P) and the second one 'secondary' (S). I was planning on taking the LFE from P, the Y-splitting it and feeding one of the signals it into the secondary (S). This is nice, since S has sub input (in fact it has inputs for L, R, FS, LR, RR and Sub). [S is a Pioneer VSX1016-VTX]

At this point I believe I *should&* have a good LFE only going into the S receiver. I read somewhere to hook a 50Hz low pass filter before the LFE is plugged into the amp, but I am not sure why that would make any sense. Anyhow, I'd plan on connecting the shakers to the L-R speaker terminals.

From, here I'd imagine the trick to getting this to work is to twiddle the setting of the S receiver to stereo only mode and tell it there was no subwoofer hooked up so it passes the signal to the speakers.

At least this is the plan. Will this work? Did I miss anything?


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Is a Buttkicker active or passive?

Is a Buttkicker active or passive? In other words, do I have plug the transducer into an electric outlet, or does the power come from the wires connecting to the amplifier. I'm guessing that it is passive, and no outlet is needed.

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I have five theater chairs and would like to use five Aura shakers, but I'm at a loss how to wire this scenario and what type of amp to power them with.

Can someone offer some advice? Thanks!
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Hi

I want to add 2 Bass shakers (Dayton Audio BST-1) to my couch. I plan on using the free channel on my center channel amp (Crown XLS 1000).

So basically something like this: Dayton Audio BST-1 -> Crown Amp Output & Crown AMP input -> Pre-amp sub out.

I plan to wire the bass shakers in series.

Will this work? Is there anything that i should do differently or avoid?

Also will the crown amp be too much power for the 2 Dayton Audio BST-1 shakers.

Please any advice or suggestions will be much appreciated.

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I have five theater chairs and would like to use five Aura shakers, but I'm at a loss how to wire this scenario and what type of amp to power them with.

Can someone offer some advice? Thanks!
For 5 chairs, I would wire 4 shakers in series / parallel so, a 4 ohm load would be on channel A. Then just wire the 5th shaker to the second channel B of an I Nuke 3000 DSP amp.
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Hi

I want to add 2 Bass shakers (Dayton Audio BST-1) to my couch. I plan on using the free channel on my center channel amp (Crown XLS 1000).

So basically something like this: Dayton Audio BST-1 -> Crown Amp Output & Crown AMP input -> Pre-amp sub out.

I plan to wire the bass shakers in series.

Will this work? Is there anything that i should do differently or avoid?

Also will the crown amp be too much power for the 2 Dayton Audio BST-1 shakers.

Please any advice or suggestions will be much appreciated.

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Two of the 4 ohm shakers in series will give an 8 ohm load. You need to be able to set a limiter of the shakers or have a low power amp that won't deliver to much power. An I Nuke 1000 DSP would work. Limiters can be set and good DSP comes with the amp.
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Two of the 4 ohm shakers in series will give an 8 ohm load. You need to be able to set a limiter of the shakers or have a low power amp that won't deliver to much power. An I Nuke 1000 DSP would work. Limiters can be set and good DSP comes with the amp.
Thanks but please i have a couple more questions:
1. Why do i need to set a limiter? Based on my AVR config the sub out should be getting 60hz or less
2. What limit am i setting
2. Can't i reduced the gain on the amp to reduced the power?

i'm trying to save some money, so i really don't want to buy a new amp if i can make use of what i already have.

I checked the iNuke does 150W in 8ohm while the crown is 215W in 8ohm but i believe its less as this was rated at 0.5% THD 1khz.

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You are limiting the voltage to the shakers/power. Two shaker of 50 watts RMS or 100 watts total. You could do 200 watts total for peak performance. Set a Low Pass Filter and High Pass Filter(lpf/hpf) at lpf 40-50 Hz and the hpf at 20 Hz. This way the shakers are not going off to often and the shakers are protected from getting to low a frequency. These shaker will get frequencies under 20 Hz.

I have measure my Aura Pro and get decent output to around 13-15 Hz depending on how they are setup. To much power in the ULF and low bass can burn them out. Limiters are needed. I don't know what your avr is capable of, or if you like to up the sub trim.
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You are limiting the voltage to the shakers/power. Two shaker of 50 watts RMS or 100 watts total. You could do 200 watts total for peak performance. Set a Low Pass Filter and High Pass Filter(lpf/hpf) at lpf 40-50 Hz and the hpf at 20 Hz. This way the shakers are not going off to often and the shakers are protected from getting to low a frequency. These shaker will get frequencies under 20 Hz.

I have measure my Aura Pro and get decent output to around 13-15 Hz depending on how they are setup. To much power in the ULF and low bass can burn them out. Limiters are needed. I don't know what your avr is capable of, or if you like to up the sub trim.
Thanks again @derrickdj1 . I have a Pre/Pro Marantz AV7702 is that where i set filter?

I noticed that the Crown also has a crossover mode where you can set 1 channel 1 LPF and the other to HPF.

Sorry its just a bit confusing, i understand i have to set a limiter now, but i dont know where to do that.

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