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Thank you, Ed, for this useful information...I'm extremely pleased with the SB-2000. When we eventually move I'll be getting a second one to go with it. I've never had dual subs before but I have a feeling two of these in a smaller sized living room would be incredible.
Look at all that time you'd lose enjoying that next sub before you move. Duals would be incredible, NOW. Christmas is coming up. If your budget can tolerate it, why wait? Getting duals was hands down the BEST decision I've made to benefit my home theater experience BY FAR. You will NOT regret it...

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Look at all that time you'd lose enjoying that next sub before you move. Duals would be incredible, NOW. Christmas is coming up. If your budget can tolerate it, why wait? Getting duals was hands down the BEST decision I've made to benefit my home theater experience BY FAR. You will NOT regret it...

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I wish I could, but adding another sub just isn't feasible with our current living room layout. It's a small room and every single wall has a doorway leading to another small room, the kitchen/bar area, or outdoors. It's not a very well designed home altogether to be honest. I've already had to settle for stereo bookshelf speakers that are laying horizontally on the bottom shelf of our entertainment stand. I prefer floor speakers but can't even make those work with the limited space. I look forward to moving within 1-2 years. That's when I'll certainly look at a dual sub setup and hopefully get at least 5.2 surround in the living room space.
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I've recently bought an Anthem HT Processor with Emotiva XPA amplification. If possible i'd like to use the XLR connectors on both device. But my problem is, i have 2 SVS subwoofer units with only RCA connectors. So my question is, knowing that balanced XLR has double the voltage compared to unbalanced RCA is it a bad idea to connect subwoofers with an XLR to RCA adapter? Did anybody use SB/PB 12/2000 in a similar way?

I am presently using four of these (similar) my self without any issues;
https://www.amazon.ca/Monoprice-Conn...s%2C229&sr=8-3

While mine are connected from my AVP, to my second amp for my Atmos speakers. Since my second Amp only have RCA connection, and my AVP have ground noise issue using the RCA out connections. I use those adapter has a last resource, and the ground noise is now gone.

In short, no problem using such adapter. The only issue you might encounter, is you might need to raise the gain on the subs.


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Do we know if SVS is going to have any announcements of new subwoofers at CES?
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Do we know if SVS is going to have any announcements of new subwoofers at CES?

They will be announcing a new sub/subs 12/10/19. Just wait, they will post it via email and social media.



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i have been upgrading from a SB1000 to a SB2000 , but i´m a bit disappointed can´t hear much difference , i goes a bit lower , but i dont get any wow effect , is the difference from the SB1000 to SB2000 that small or am i missing some thing
Like others have said, the SB2000 isn't a big upgrade from an SB1000 for movies. It does go lower and with a gentler rolloff so takes more advantage of room gain as your graph shows - mine stay pretty flat down to 5 Hz in my sealed 2800 cu ft suspended room! Though not with the dB of a big ported sub. It will go a few dB higher (more headroom) than the SB1000 as well, and you can test that by increasing the gain on your AVR in 5 dB increments and rerunning REW until the frequency graph flattens and then comparing the dB levels between them where they flatten.

IMO, the SB2000 is a worthwhile purchase over the SB1000 as an initial buy, but isn't worth it as an upgrade. If you can't fit a ported sub in your space, maybe the SB3000 will give you some satisfaction? It's only about an inch bigger all around than the SB2000.
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i have been upgrading from a SB1000 to a SB2000 , but i´m a bit disappointed can´t hear much difference , i goes a bit lower , but i dont get any wow effect , is the difference from the SB1000 to SB2000 that small or am i missing some thing
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You didn’t mention what your use case is...music or movies. If you primarily watch movies, I would agree with Jim in that a ported sub will provide the “wow” factor you’re looking for. The PB2000 will provide a substantial improvement over the SB1000/SB2000 for those blockbuster action movies...the PB3000 even more so. Too often novice buyers purchase sealed (SB) subs for their smaller size and lesser cost...not realizing the performance trade offs.
One other suggestion I neglected to mention. Would your dealer in Denmark allow an exchange of your SB2000 for a PB2000 (or PC2000) similar to SVS’s Bill Of Rights policy in the U.S.? This would provide you with the first hand experience necessary to make an informed decision going forward.
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How long do you guys think the pb16ultra will be around before it gets replaced by a pb5000 /6000 ? It came out 3 years ago ?
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One other suggestion I neglected to mention. Would your dealer in Denmark allow an exchange of your SB2000 for a PB2000 (or PC2000) similar to SVS’s Bill Of Rights policy in the U.S.? This would provide you with the first hand experience necessary to make an informed decision going forward.
It Will only be used to movies , when i listen in stereo mode it is without the subwoofer , the fronts is the KEF R500 , the subwoofer must be White , so if it is SVS it have to be SB1000 or SB2000

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It Will only be used to movies , when i listen in stereo mode it is without the subwoofer , the fronts is the KEF R500 , the subwoofer must be White , so if it is SVS it have to be SB1000 or SB2000
That’s perfectly fine as we all have personal preferences and value different aspects of this hobby.
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I am presently using four of these (similar) my self without any issues;
https://www.amazon.ca/Monoprice-Conn...s%2C229&sr=8-3

While mine are connected from my AVP, to my second amp for my Atmos speakers. Since my second Amp only have RCA connection, and my AVP have ground noise issue using the RCA out connections. I use those adapter has a last resource, and the ground noise is now gone.

In short, no problem using such adapter. The only issue you might encounter, is you might need to raise the gain on the subs.


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The above cable shorts the negative signal to ground versus just lifting the negative/inverted signal. While I have no expertise in this, one may want to check with the source manufacturer (i.e. AVP) whether they recommend shorting to ground or lifting the negative half of the signal. The Emotiva XLR to RCA cable lifts the inverted signal versus shorting for example.

Edit: I don’t understand how using a XLR to RCA cable can be advantageous to just using the RCA if available. Granted if you only have XLR outs, you need an adapter cable to connect to RCA inputs.

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Soon very soon... Maybe they will finally have something to put up against a JTR Cap4000 & PSA TV36IPAL/TV42IPAL Attachment 2650920
Day before my bday Might have to swap out this pb4000 I just bought.
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Maybe a PC-3000 is coming? There is a pretty big gap between the PC2000 and PC4000.
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Maybe a PC-3000 is coming? There is a pretty big gap between the PC2000 and PC4000.
Possible. I was thinking they would release 18" or a dual pb16ultra or something along those lines.

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Do any of you know if the SVS SoundPath Subwoofer Isolation System , will help on the curve.
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Do any of you know if the SVS SoundPath Subwoofer Isolation System , will help on the curve.
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Soon very soon... Maybe they will finally have something to put up against a JTR Cap4000 & PSA TV36IPAL/TV42IPAL Attachment 2650920
Is this just wishful thinking with photoshop or real info?

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Is this just wishful thinking with photoshop or real info?
I got that from SVS's official Tweeter feed.

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Soon very soon... Maybe they will finally have something to put up against a JTR Cap4000 & PSA TV36IPAL/TV42IPAL Attachment 2650920
oooh very interesting. Hopefully it's not just a PB16 refresh like the PB4000 was to the PB13. Unlike the older models the PB16s are still up for sale so maybe it's something bigger.

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Maybe a PC-3000 is coming? There is a pretty big gap between the PC2000 and PC4000.
Lol.... I log in here once or twice a year to chant where is the PC-3000, PC-3000, and oh yeah in case we were not clear where is the PC-3000.
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I got that from SVS's official Tweeter feed.
Oh nice. I’m guessing something bigger/more potent than the 16 ultras to compete with models from the other ID companies. The 16 ultra series isn’t really old enough to be replaced and is still modern tech. I’m limited to the cylinder form factor in my living room so reached the end of my upgrade path with dual pc-4000s (which I love) but fun to dream.

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Hoping it's something with no PEQ or app and priced aggressively but I highly doubt that.
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I doubt those are much of a concern to SVS. They are most likely worried about big business subs like Monolith stealing some sales. The ID direct companies sell very few subs in comparison to SVS, and cater to a crowd where performance and sound quality are of the utmost concern. As for a PC16 Ultra, I have heard from many engineers at SVS that they are simply too big around to make viable, it would be cool to see, but I doubt that will be it. I bet it is some kind of dual subwoofer design to compete with the new Monolith.

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I bet it is some kind of dual subwoofer design to compete with the new Monolith.

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That’s my guess as well. Box in the pic (if that means anything) is the rights shape for a dual driver sub too.

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I doubt those are much of a concern to SVS. They are most likely worried about big business subs like Monolith stealing some sales. The ID direct companies sell very few subs in comparison to SVS, and cater to a crowd where performance and sound quality are of the utmost concern. As for a PC16 Ultra, I have heard from many engineers at SVS that they are simply too big around to make viable, it would be cool to see, but I doubt that will be it. I bet it is some kind of dual subwoofer design to compete with the new Monolith.

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I agree with much of what Greg is saying. I don't think that SVS can realistically go head-to-head with some of the much smaller ID companies, even if they really wanted to. Which they don't. Getting in an arms-race with much smaller and more nimble companies doesn't really make sense from a business perspective. Companies such as PSA and JTR, especially, can introduce new models any time they want. SVS's larger assembly-line production model isn't well-suited to do that.

So, as far as I'm concerned, the Cap 4000ULF, the TV36 iPal, and the TV42 iPal are safe from any new SVS subwoofers. It would be cool to see SVS double the drivers, for a new model, with a 2400 watt amp, in a little larger cabinet. The top-mounted digital controls (and the remote and the app) to permit user-applied DSP, aren't going anywhere, in my opinion.

What I would like to see, though, are larger ports, even if SVS had to jettison the Standard 20Hz mode to make that work in a reasonable cabinet size. And, I would like to see a legitimate 14Hz port tune, with SVS's normal concentration on frequencies below about 35Hz. Unfortunately perhaps, some subwoofer companies get known for certain features, such as Sealed, Standard, Extended modes in their higher-end subs. And that requires three ports.

Making those three ports larger, to reduce chuffing at higher volume levels, is a challenge unless the cabinet also gets taller and wider. A deeper cabinet would be an easier sell for most people who like SVS's basic form factor, but that wouldn't help with potential port chuffing, as SVS pushes more SPL through the existing port diameter of 3.5".

What I would personally like to see SVS do instead is to install a room size control (as several other sub makers have done). It could easily be part of the new model's DSP. The RSC feature would allow listeners to scale back the <30Hz volumes a bit rather than having to change to a different tuning mode, such as the 20Hz Standard mode. Now, SVS would only need two ports for the normal 14Hz mode (with both ports plugged for sealed). And now, SVS could easily make those two ports bigger in diameter, to reduce port chuffing, if they wanted to.

I don't think they are likely to implement what I am suggesting. It can be a little hard to boldly change some features that are closely associated with the brand, such as having three tuning options. But, I wish they would!

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I think it’s their first sound bar.
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Hoping it's something with no PEQ or app and priced aggressively but I highly doubt that.
They’ve already paid for the app development, so its pretty much already a sunk cost and the hardware Bluetooth added onto the amp is pretty negligible in cost. I think the customer base loves the app control, people pretty much expect everything nowadays to be app controlled for convenience. I just bought an SB16 over a PSA sub, even though the PSA had better specs, just because I wanted the app control...

I would like to see SVS get even more tech, and do a built-in wireless receiver. The 3000 series has the USB power connection but why not do a fully built-in solution? Or a plug-in wireless module like the Paradigm Defiance X series, that is really slick. The room size control would be great as well.

I’m betting it is a big dual sub, probably dual 18 inch drivers stacked on top of one another like the Monolith or the TV36 series. But what I’d really like to see is an opposed driver configuration.

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They’ve already paid for the app development, so its pretty much already a sunk cost and the hardware Bluetooth added onto the amp is pretty negligible in cost. I think the customer base loves the app control, people pretty much expect everything nowadays to be app controlled for convenience. I just bought an SB16 over a PSA sub, even though the PSA had better specs, just because I wanted the app control...
I was in your shoes but I was gonna get a Mini-DSP-HD anyway so I bought a PSA Sub over the PB3000.

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The above cable shorts the negative signal to ground versus just lifting the negative/inverted signal. While I have no expertise in this, one may want to check with the source manufacturer (i.e. AVP) whether they recommend shorting to ground or lifting the negative half of the signal. The Emotiva XLR to RCA cable lifts the inverted signal versus shorting for example.

Edit: I don’t understand how using a XLR to RCA cable can be advantageous to just using the RCA if available. Granted if you only have XLR outs, you need an adapter cable to connect to RCA inputs.

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A very good suggestion, for those using Emotiva gear.

In my case, my Marantz AVP 7702mkII had a ground noise problem using the RCA out connections, even after been ship for repair. Since I was already using all XLR connections, for the L,C,R, surrounds side, surround back and both subs. From my AVP to my 7 channels amp and both subs, I thought to try XLR to RCA adapters. For my second amp, that only accept RCA connections.

In short, the seven main channels and both subs. Use XLR connections to the first amp, while the 4 ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS:X use an XLR to RCA from the AVP to the second amp.
It was my last resort before sending back the AVP for a refund, and buying an AV7703 for an extra $700.


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Is this just wishful thinking with photoshop or real info?
LOL

You know has well as I do, it a photoshop picture

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Soon very soon... Maybe they will finally have something to put up against a JTR Cap4000 & PSA TV36IPAL/TV42IPAL Attachment 2650920

Nicely done for the picture, an had a good laugh


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