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Do you feel like you had significant gains with the amp upgrade? I have an sb 13 Ultra and was curious about the gains to be had with this upgrade in terms of sound.
I can't say as to any significant gains in output as I don't have REW.
For me, as I had stated, I had to replace one amp due to it failing and decided to replace the other because of the ease and convience of control via the phone app.
Also, due to my OCD it was eating at me that I had two different amps.
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I just ordered an S3000 this morning to go along with my current pair of SB12-NSD's. I also just ordered the MINIDSP 2x4HD and mic to set it all up. I hope I can get them to place nice together. The plan is for the 3000 to be in the back corner of the room and the pair of SB12's to be on the front wall.

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For $100 would the SB-2000 be a a noticeable upgrade over the PB-1000? There are some stores that still have the SB2000 in stock. Or would the PB-2000 just be a much better step up for the 699 price tag in their outlet?
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@cr136124 that's several dbs of more output! great. your no smoothing measurement looks pretty good too.
Thanks! The PSA sub at the back of the room helps tremendously in my case. Yet, I'll keep trying to see if I can do a house curve to improve what I'm currently getting from all 3 subs. Now, I'm going to keep one of the removed amps as backup and the other one........well, time to starting looking on how to build a DIY sub.
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For $100 would the SB-2000 be a a noticeable upgrade over the PB-1000? There are some stores that still have the SB2000 in stock. Or would the PB-2000 just be a much better step up for the 699 price tag in their outlet?

There are a lot of benefits that come with buying from SVS direct you don't get when buying elsewhere.
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For $100 would the SB-2000 be a a noticeable upgrade over the PB-1000? There are some stores that still have the SB2000 in stock. Or would the PB-2000 just be a much better step up for the 699 price tag in their outlet?

Hi,

In addition to the advantage of buying directly from SVS, the PB2000 would be a much better upgrade than the SB2000. The SB2000 would have more mid-bass SPL than the PB1000, but it would actually give away some low-bass to the PB1000. That is because the PB1000 is a ported sub. And even though it is a small sub, below about 35Hz, ported versus sealed just isn't a fair fight.

The PB2000, on the other hand, would give you a nice upgrade in both mid-bass, and in low-bass, compared to your PB1000. If you like the PB1000, I think you will like the PB2000 even better.

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Hi,

In addition to the advantage of buying directly from SVS, the PB2000 would be a much better upgrade than the SB2000. The SB2000 would have more mid-bass SPL than the PB1000, but it would actually give away some low-bass to the PB1000. That is because the PB1000 is a ported sub. And even though it is a small sub, below about 35Hz, ported versus sealed just isn't a fair fight.

The PB2000, on the other hand, would give you a nice upgrade in both mid-bass, and in low-bass, compared to your PB1000. If you like the PB1000, I think you will like the PB2000 even better.

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I figured maybe the driver upgrade would help dig deep like the smaller ported sub. A local authroized dealer has an open box floor model of the PB2000 for right at 650 I want to say and it includes warranty. I may pull the trigger today.
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I figured maybe the driver upgrade would help dig deep like the smaller ported sub. A local authroized dealer has an open box floor model of the PB2000 for right at 650 I want to say and it includes warranty. I may pull the trigger today.

A new one from SVS directly is only $699 right now. You get the warranty, free returns and the total cost can be put towards an upgrade if you want to trade it in later. But that is only from SVS direct.
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Any recommendation for a house curve in PEQ in the SVS app?

If it helps i don't use DEQ in my Marantz. as i don't like what it does. i am only running my subs hot at the moment.

Since i have four subs i am guessing i have to apply the same amount of Q,gain and frequency of course to all of them?

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Any recommendation for a house curve in PEQ in the SVS app?

If it helps i don't use DEQ in my Marantz. as i don't like what it does. i am only running my subs hot at the moment.

Since i have four subs i am guessing i have to apply the same amount of Q,gain and frequency of course to all of them?

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Have you considered using DEQ and adjusting the Reference Level Offset?
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When first starting a journey with SVS I bought a pair of SB1000. Enjoyment lasted, I'll say eight months, before I discovered there is a "Hum" in the subs. Thinking when I upgrade the "Hum" won't be in a pricier model. I traded for a pair of SB3000 last November. I've recently noticed what I'm 95% sure is the same "hum" from the middle of the cone. I thought it was my portable hard drive until I investigated.



I've contacted SVS and traded email with Tim. He told me about a whine from the plate but, that's not it. We went through normal troubleshooting and he decided to send me two new amps. Did the swap and Hum is still there. The "Hum" reminds me of ear next to conch shell sound.



Signal cable was first suspect so I unplugged it, hum still present. Tried different outlets, no good.



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Have you considered using DEQ and adjusting the Reference Level Offset?
I already mentioned i don't like how it sounds.
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Received my PB-4000 that I ordered BUT when everything was set up all I get was popping on the driver/woofer.

Called SVS and I let them hear the popping from the woofer, after 4 to 6 cables changes from XLR's to RCA, SVS determined that the subwoofer's driver is defective. They will be sending a replacement tomorrow.

VERY VERY dissapointing for a first purchase.
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Received my PB-4000 that I ordered BUT when everything was set up all I get was popping on the driver/woofer.

Called SVS and I let them hear the popping from the woofer, after 4 to 6 cables changes from XLR's to RCA, SVS determined that the subwoofer's driver is defective. They will be sending a replacement tomorrow.

VERY VERY disappointing for a first purchase.
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For $100 would the SB-2000 be a a noticeable upgrade over the PB-1000? There are some stores that still have the SB2000 in stock. Or would the PB-2000 just be a much better step up for the 699 price tag in their outlet?
To add to what Mike said above, I upgraded from an ESW-8 (8" ported sub) to the SB2000 and barely heard a difference in action movies, except the subtle stuff. So I think you would find the SB2000 actually a downgrade from the 10" PB1000, except if you get a lot of room gain the SB2000 might give you a bit more below 20Hz. PB2000 would work much better for most people, unless size is an issue.
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When first starting a journey with SVS I bought a pair of SB1000. Enjoyment lasted, I'll say eight months, before I discovered there is a "Hum" in the subs. Thinking when I upgrade the "Hum" won't be in a pricier model. I traded for a pair of SB3000 last November. I've recently noticed what I'm 95% sure is the same "hum" from the middle of the cone. I thought it was my portable hard drive until I investigated.



I've contacted SVS and traded email with Tim. He told me about a whine from the plate but, that's not it. We went through normal troubleshooting and he decided to send me two new amps. Did the swap and Hum is still there. The "Hum" reminds me of ear next to conch shell sound.



Signal cable was first suspect so I unplugged it, hum still present. Tried different outlets, no good.



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Any one have suggestions to eliminate seashell sound between songs?
If you hear that hissing sound between songs, you must be listening at very high level. Even with an RCA connection.

I use XLR connections for that reason, since it cannot be heard. Unless having your hear next to a Tweeter, and still is very faint. But never from a sub driver, but do use XLR connection. Your sub and AVR, do require the proper output since many AVR do not have this option.


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I am in a small dilemma. I am setting up an unorthodox room and have no place to place a sub in the room aside from behind the couch. I was wondering if anyone has placed the "SVS PC" cylindrical subs on their sides ? It would be placed on the floor but wedged between theater seat and back wall. Has anyone done this with success?

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I am in a small dilemma. I am setting up an unorthodox room and have no place to place a sub in the room aside from behind the couch. I was wondering if anyone has placed the "SVS PC" cylindrical subs on their sides ? It would be placed on the floor but wedged between theater seat and back wall. Has anyone done this with success?
I have not personally but many have done this over the years and SVS has said this is fine to do. A nearfield sub behind the couch should be really enjoyable. Which model and what size room?

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@confinoj did you ever get an amp replacement from SVS. Did that fix the tuning reset issue?

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Guys before you run any room correction or take some REW measurements, just double check ALL your settings in the SVS app (if your sub supports it) i found i had some active PEQ's on one of my subs which was strange because i never used them! so i had to turn everything off and run REW again and also do new measurements in REW, which took at least a couple of hours.
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Yes. Replacement amps installed about 3 weeks ago with reportedly newer firmware and it does indeed retain extended tune after hard power cycle.

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Guys before you run any room correction or take some REW measurements, just double check ALL your settings in the SVS app (if your sub supports it) i found i had some active PEQ's on one of my subs which was strange because i never used them! so i had to turn everything off and run REW again and also do new measurements in REW, which took at least a couple of hours.

Thanks for the heads up. I am waiting on my dual Pb 2000 pro’s to be delivered today.
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Sure, hope it helps!

And to answer your question, in the SVS app.

I never use the buttons on the front of my SB16 and i don't use the included small remote.

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Yes. Replacement amps installed about 3 weeks ago with reportedly newer firmware and it does indeed retain extended tune after hard power cycle.
Ah well, if SVS doesn't have a PB16 successor later this year I guess I'll swap mine out as well.

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Sure, hope it helps!

And to answer your question, in the SVS app.

I never use the buttons on the front of my SB16 and i don't use the included small remote.


Ha ha. Actually what I meant was how high do you set the volume on the sub when you run room correction?


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I am in a small dilemma. I am setting up an unorthodox room and have no place to place a sub in the room aside from behind the couch. I was wondering if anyone has placed the "SVS PC" cylindrical subs on their sides ? It would be placed on the floor but wedged between theater seat and back wall. Has anyone done this with success?
I'm currently running my PC-13 Ultra laying down behind the couch. You're supposed to take the base plate off if I remember correctly but I left it on for protection.
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I need more help my fellow SVS enthusiasts. I came here before complaining of a lack of midbass wit my SB-2000 and paradigm Monitor SE 6000F. You guys help me realize that using extra bass or changing my speakers to large would fix that and oh man it did. But now i have the opposite problem way too much mid bass. I am a basement with a L shaped room and unfortunately my sub is in the corner. I can move it to the other side of the TV in the middle of the wall but then i lose way too much ULF. I have use the Yamaha YPAO but then their EQ messes with the highs too much. I used the GQ mode to reduce the 63Hz range down on my fronts but it is still way too boomy. My crossover is set to 40Hz. I watched Dark Waters with my with, a drama mind you, and the mid bass was still insane. I have come up with a list of possibilities to rectify this.
  • try adding bass traps in the corner behind the sub and right main speaker
    buying a new receiver with better room correction. I assume a Denon with Audessey XT is what i need (no plans for dual subs) I am not sure how much control i get with Audessey since i have never used it.
    Upgrade my sub to an SB 3000 so i can use the app.

I had NHT Super Zero's and i switched to these Paradigms and now I am wondering if I should have bought the next step down with only 2 woofers in each instead of 3 but it took me too long to realize my amp and cross over were not ideal.

Any advice is welcomed.

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I need more help my fellow SVS enthusiasts. I came here before complaining of a lack of midbass wit my SB-2000 and paradigm Monitor 4000 SE's. You guys help me realize that using extra bass or changing my speakers to large would fix that and oh man it did. But now i have the opposite problem way too much mid bass. I am a basement with a L shaped room and unfortunately my sub is in the corner. I can move it to the other side of the TV in the middle of the wall but then i lose way too much ULF. I have use the Yamaha YPAO but then their EQ messes with the highs too much. I used the GQ mode to reduce the 63Hz range down on my fronts but it is still way too boomy. My crossover is set to 40Hz. I watched Dark Waters with my with, a drama mind you, and the mid bass was still insane. I have come up with a list of possibilities to rectify this.
  • try adding bass traps in the corner behind the sub and right main speaker
    buying a new receiver with better room correction. I assume a Denon with Audessey XT is what i need (no plans for dual subs) I am not sure how much control i get with Audessey since i have never used it.
    Upgrade my sub to an SB 3000 so i can use the app.

I had NHT Super Zero's and i switched to these Paradigms and now I am wondering if I should have bought the next step down with only 2 woofers in each instead of 3 but it took me too long to realize my amp and cross over were not ideal.

Any advice is welcomed.

When you had your speakers set to "small" was the crossover around 80Hz? If so, did you verify the sub was in phase with the front speakers?
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I need more help my fellow SVS enthusiasts. I came here before complaining of a lack of midbass wit my SB-2000 and paradigm Monitor 4000 SE's. You guys help me realize that using extra bass or changing my speakers to large would fix that and oh man it did. But now i have the opposite problem way too much mid bass. I am a basement with a L shaped room and unfortunately my sub is in the corner. I can move it to the other side of the TV in the middle of the wall but then i lose way too much ULF. I have use the Yamaha YPAO but then their EQ messes with the highs too much. I used the GQ mode to reduce the 63Hz range down on my fronts but it is still way too boomy. My crossover is set to 40Hz. I watched Dark Waters with my with, a drama mind you, and the mid bass was still insane. I have come up with a list of possibilities to rectify this.
  • try adding bass traps in the corner behind the sub and right main speaker
    buying a new receiver with better room correction. I assume a Denon with Audessey XT is what i need (no plans for dual subs) I am not sure how much control i get with Audessey since i have never used it.
    Upgrade my sub to an SB 3000 so i can use the app.
I had NHT Super Zero's and i switched to these Paradigms and now I am wondering if I should have bought the next step down with only 2 woofers in each instead of 3 but it took me too long to realize my amp and cross over were not ideal.

Any advice is welcomed.

Hi Jim,

I have several suggestions. First, the use of Extra Bass (or "Double Bass") is almost inevitably going to make the bass sound boomy. If you have that engaged, I would turn it off now. Second, I would recommend setting your crossovers no lower than 60Hz. Those speakers don't need to be playing 40Hz frequencies. (Lower than 40Hz actually, since the crossover isn't a brick wall.) Third, you can attenuate the bass coming from your front speakers with the tone controls in your AVR. If I remember correctly, the Yamaha tone controls also affect the center channel.

The combination of 60Hz or higher crossovers, and the use of the bass tone control to remove some of the bass from the full passband (and not just at 63Hz) should let you better tune the sound to your own satisfaction.

I definitely recommend bass traps, but get good ones from GIK or ATS Acoustics. Large corner traps will help to reduce bass reverberation (ringing) down to about 60Hz or so. And, that should also help to reduce the boomy sound you hear. Finally, if you do decide to get an Audyssey-equipped AVR, get one with XT-32.

It isn't just a matter of having SubEQ with dual sub outs, it is also the quality of the calibration it performs. XT-32 is much better. You might find that you also really benefit from using the Audyssey app. That will let you EQ bass frequencies for all of your channels, and then cut-off the EQ above a certain frequency.

As for a subwoofer upgrade, that is also something that you might consider. But, I'm not sure that what you have said so far suggests a real desire for more bass. I think that between XT-32 with the app, the use of your crossovers, and the use of your tone controls, you will already have a lot of user adjustability.

If I were going to upgrade, I wouldn't do it just for the SVS app. I would do it for the specific frequencies I wanted to increase. My guess is that the upgrade would be for low-frequencies now, rather than for more mid-bass. For more low-frequency SPL, I might look at the SB4000, or a ported model, starting with the PB2000 Pro.

I hope that some of this helps!

Regards,
Mike
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