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I am getting ready to pull trigger on pair of PB2000 Pros.

Due to limitations, the only decent location for them will be in front under my screen...flanking the center speaker.

I have a question about connections.....I could just run a pair of interconnects from the AVR which is in back of room to the front (~25 foot)....or was thinking about the SVS Wireless adapter? How well does it work? lag issues? interference.. I do have quite a few wifi devices in the house...and a pair of Unifi access points...none of which are in the HT room thou.

My AVR has two separate SUB outputs and controls.

Also, as for power connections....should they be on separate outlets or can both be on a single outlet?
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@RafaelSmith i would get the cable and not do the wifi adapter, but that is just me.

They will both run on one outlet fine most likely. i have my four SB16's on one. Zero issues for years.

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I was just wondering how you increase the volume of your subs when you have the app for your phone. Do you increase the trim in the AVR or do you use the app? I have dual PB2000 pros and a Denon x3500h. Thanks.


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@tang7969 both do the same thing, chose whatever is more convenient to you


What i do since i just like the app, i increase each sub equally, so if i want to add 1db in total i would just add 1db to each sub and level AVR trim untouched.

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Being able to measure your subwoofers, and understand what you're hearing, then being able to EQ and dial in the right adjustments, is just as essential as room correction like audyssey. If not done right, you will have anywhere from mediocre, to passable results.
Probably the most single significant upgrade/investment you can make in a system if you care about getting the best bass possible.
Hi everyone! Just got a second PC-4000 on the Memorial Day sale . Is the MiniDSP 2x4 a requirement, aside from the UMIK-1 and REW, to integrate both subwoofers prior to Dirac Live (or any correction software)? I already have both the UMIK-1 and REW.

Can the options on the SVS app allow for the necessary tuning to integrate both subwoofers using only REW? The idea is to integrate them first, and then use Dirac Live on the whole system.

Small hope that Dirac Bass Management comes to the NAD M17v2 in the future. I’d appreciate not having to buy unnecessary equipment the meantime, or until confirmed unavailability of Dirac Bass Management if the answer to my question is a negative.
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Hi everyone! Just got a second PC-4000 on the Memorial Day sale . Is the MiniDSP 2x4 a requirement, aside from the UMIK-1 and REW, to integrate both subwoofers prior to Dirac Live (or any correction software)? I already have both the UMIK-1 and REW.

Can the options on the SVS app allow for the necessary tuning to integrate both subwoofers using only REW? The idea is to integrate them first, and then use Dirac Live on the whole system.

Small hope that Dirac Bass Management comes to the NAD M17v2 in the future. I’d appreciate not having to buy unnecessary equipment the meantime, or until confirmed unavailability of Dirac Bass Management if the answer to my question is a negative.

The SVS app is very useful, and I was able to get a reasonably flat response with dual PB16s, just using the app, and Dirac. You definitely need REW and the mic of course. The SVS PEQ is only limited to three bands, but combined with the Dirac Live adjustments, this can be done.

MiniDSP is really needed if you are running multiple subs, or frequently run room correction if you're often making changes to your setup. My M5 only has one true sub output (there are two, but it's really just one independent output with an internal Y connector).

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I was just wondering how you increase the volume of your subs when you have the app for your phone. Do you increase the trim in the AVR or do you use the app? I have dual PB2000 pros and a Denon x3500h. Thanks.


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From my understanding, you should keep your AVR gain in the negative, approximately -5, and adjust the gain in your sub.

Here is a link I found when I had the same question:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...-headroom.html
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I am getting ready to pull trigger on pair of PB2000 Pros.

Due to limitations, the only decent location for them will be in front under my screen...flanking the center speaker.

I have a question about connections.....I could just run a pair of interconnects from the AVR which is in back of room to the front (~25 foot)....or was thinking about the SVS Wireless adapter? How well does it work? lag issues? interference.. I do have quite a few wifi devices in the house...and a pair of Unifi access points...none of which are in the HT room thou.

My AVR has two separate SUB outputs and controls.

Also, as for power connections....should they be on separate outlets or can both be on a single outlet?
The wireless adapter works quite nicely in these situations and the AVR can time-align around the latency in most cases. Dual PB-2000 Pro are generally fine on a single circuit, audio amps are a transient load and not a steady one.

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I like SVS and was seriously going to get a sub this weekend, but to advertise "up to 40% off" and there not be a speaker or subwoofer on sale even close to that is a slap in the face.

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I like SVS and was seriously going to get a sub this weekend, but to advertise "up to 40% off" and there not be a speaker or subwoofer on sale even close to that is a slap in the face.
Just 2 days ago there were a lot more subs (and speakers) showing for sale than what's there now. Looks like items are going fast.

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I like SVS and was seriously going to get a sub this weekend, but to advertise "up to 40% off" and there not be a speaker or subwoofer on sale even close to that is a slap in the face. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif[/IMG]
Just 2 days ago there were a lot more subs (and speakers) showing for sale than what's there now. Looks like items are going fast.
Yes I missed out on getting my 2nd PB16. Maybe next time.
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Yes I missed out on getting my 2nd PB16. Maybe next time.
I feel ya. I wavered myself on getting another SB-16 but the ones I saw on sale (in the outlet sale) were all mostly too badly blemished, to my liking, but the prices were pretty good, but I ultimately passed. Was hoping they had new units on sale but didn't see any. So, like you, "maybe next time".

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Yes I missed out on getting my 2nd PB16. Maybe next time.
I feel ya. I wavered myself on getting another SB-16 but the ones I saw on sale (in the outlet sale) were all mostly too badly blemished, to my liking, but the prices were pretty good, but I ultimately passed. Was hoping they had new units on sale but didn't see any. So, like you, "maybe next time".
I agree with the excessive blemish. I was going to get the unblemished one for $100 more but as you know our subs are so capable (I’m actually running mine with all 3 ports plugged so it’s essentially a SB16) that there really is no rush.
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I’ve been experimenting with adding a 3dB boost to each of my PC2k pro’s on top of DEQ. It sounds great since I don’t listen more than -15mv.

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One of my Klipsch R-115SW plate amps finally had it (Still under warranty, Klipsch sent an SPL-150 plate amp. I can still use this sub in my DJ room), failed the night before. The day after I went dual PB-4000's, biggest my space will allow and the wife and I had to carry those to the 2nd floor since my theater is upstairs.
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Guys, what do you think about mixing ported and sealed subs ?
Since I tested that configuration, I feel something is missing in my main room using 3 ported subs. (Usage is 80% movies/series)
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Guys, what do you think about mixing ported and sealed subs ?
Since I tested that configuration, I feel something is missing in my main room using 3 ported subs. (Usage is 80% movies/series)
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Since I tested that configuration, I feel something is missing in my main room using 3 ported subs. (Usage is 80% movies/series)
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I like SVS and was seriously going to get a sub this weekend, but to advertise "up to 40% off" and there not be a speaker or subwoofer on sale even close to that is a slap in the face.
I got a flawless PB16 this past week for $1900, and a flawless PC4000 for $1400. Not 40% but still a very nice discount. You have to keep checking back as they are replenishing often. Most are damaged but a few flawless ones do show up.
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I like SVS and was seriously going to get a sub this weekend, but to advertise "up to 40% off" and there not be a speaker or subwoofer on sale even close to that is a slap in the face.
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I got a flawless PB16 this past week for $1900, and a flawless PC4000 for $1400. Not 40% but still a very nice discount. You have to keep checking back as they are replenishing often. Most are damaged but a few flawless ones do show up.
How did you get it for 1900? I had a chance to get one for 1999 plus 5percent return discount, but after tax it would still be about 2,079. I probably would have purchased one to try that first day, but I was at work and there was no way to be able to pay.
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I have a question.

I reran Audyssey XT32 this morning with great results. Only narrow 3dB dip at 90hz.

Using the SVS with the Audyssey app I turned down sub 1 to -25 on the SVS App and -23 on the 2nd sub. After calibration I’m left AVR trims -11 & -10.5 which I believe to be spot on if I want to increase trims on the subs. I leave DEQ ON.

My question is how much power or volume percentage am I using?

I’m used to my pb 1k’s manual knob. Lol love the app now!

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I have a question.

I reran Audyssey XT32 this morning with great results. Only narrow 3dB dip at 90hz.

Using the SVS with the Audyssey app I turned down sub 1 to -25 on the SVS App and -23 on the 2nd sub. After calibration I’m left AVR trims -11 & -10.5 which I believe to be spot on if I want to increase trims on the subs. I leave DEQ ON.

My question is how much power or volume percentage am I using?

I’m used to my pb 1k’s manual knob. Lol love the app now!
If i remember correctly i think you have a UMIK and REW. In that case you could run several sweeps (measurements) with DEQ on and your sub level set as above -11 and -10.5 in REW for your subs.

What i would do is to set lets say your AVR vol to -20 then do a measurement, then increase it a bit every time for every new measurement.

Then you could monitor the increase in output in REW, once you run out of gas (in your subs) you will see that you can't turn up the volume on your AVR anymore. Meaning even if you turn the volume higher they will still have the same output.

Here you could either stop at this level on your AVR or just turn your subs down a bit and re-do the same practice to see what is the new higher AVR vol level. that is if you wanted to turn your speakers more than before.
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If i remember correctly i think you have a UMIK and REW. In that case you could run several sweeps (measurements) with DEQ on and your sub level set as above -11 and -10.5 in REW for your subs.

What i would do is to set lets say your AVR vol to -20 then do a measurement, then increase it a bit every time for every new measurement.

Then you could monitor the increase in output in REW, once you run out of gas (in your subs) you will see that you can't turn up the volume on your AVR anymore. Meaning even if you turn the volume higher they will still have the same output.

Here you could either stop at this level on your AVR or just turn your subs down a bit and re-do the same practice to see what is the new higher AVR vol level. that is if you wanted to turn your speakers more than before.
Thanks.

Do you happen to know what volume range is the default-10 on the subs are? I imagine 50-60%?
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@rosstg as far as i know that is pretty high i would say more than that percentage. I wouldn't personally go above -14 or -15 on each sub but that also because i listen to movies loud mostly around -7 vol on my Marantz.

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@rosstg as far as i know that is pretty high i would say more than that percentage. I wouldn't personally go above -14 or -15 on each sub but that also because i listen to movies loud mostly around -7 vol on my Marantz.

All depends on what's your listening levels are like.
I’m leaving them as Audyssey sets at -25 & -23. Was just curious since I’m used to the typical volume knob.

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@rosstg in most scenarios you could increase them by a few dbs as most people do, even if you are using DEQ. it's like you are just adding a house curve boost to the already available house curve (by deq)

Just make sure once you have time to measure everything to make sure your subs not being pushed too hard.
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Requesting advice,

Currently have Dual SB-3000, placed under the screen cleanly, I was OK with the setup, till I heard single VTF-15H MK2 in my friends house, low frequency extension feel in the chest is completely different.
I have started RMA for SB-3000 as within the 45 day period.

Room dimensions. L x W x H (23 x 15 x 9) with screen is 23.5" from floor.

I am considering Dual PB-3000, will it provide enough low end vibration feel? Does any one have experience laying it on side?
How about Single PC-4000 so that I can keep it cleanly in the side (and add another one in the future if needed)?
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@Francis Abraham it's hard to compare two different models in two totally different rooms. i am sure your dual SB 3000's once properly calibrated and aligned would sound amazing.

Did you run any sort of room EQ?

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@Francis Abraham it's hard to compare two different models in two totally different rooms. i am sure your dual SB 3000's once properly calibrated and aligned would sound amazing.

Did you run any sort of room EQ?
I did Marantz sr6013 audyssey tuning. After the tuning which I felt subs are under-powered and raised sub levels by 4db. It is possible that my sub are in levels with speaker, but can't feel enough chest vibration.

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