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You mean the cable connecting the amplifier sledge, or the cable that connects to the subwoofer driver? If the option I would have seguna difficult to reach with arm up inside.


The cable that connects to the Sledge amp. Here is the picture of the Sledge Amp. Look at the 2 RED circles.

Please click on the image to enlarge so you can see it better.

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Now that these Pluses working properly, they don't even break a sweat at extremely high reference volume.

Thanks to Ed Mullen at SVS!!
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The cable that connects to the Sledge amp. Here is the picture of the Sledge Amp. Look at the 2 RED circles.

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all that did was reverse the polarity...you basically had one sub out of phase with the other and they were cancelling eachother out. I have herd subs make wierd noises before when they were out of phase, so that makes sense if your pluses are co located.
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Now that these Pluses working properly, they don't even break a sweat at extremely high reference volume.

Thanks to Ed Mullen at SVS!!

You are most welcome - I'm glad the subs are performing great and are now exceeding your expectations. cool.gif

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My first pb-12 plus was sent to me with the wires backwards also. My avr was telling me it was out of phase and i called svs and they said that can happen and not to worry. Then had an amp issue and when i got the new amp i noticed the wires were put in backwards. I switched them and boom my avr now said it was in phase. It seems svs might have an issue with making sure the speakers are put together right. eek.gif

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The cable that connects to the Sledge amp. Here is the picture of the Sledge Amp. Look at the 2 RED circles.

Please click on the image to enlarge so you can see it better.


So it that picture showing correctly wired or incorrectly?

 
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My first pb-12 plus was sent to me with the wires backwards also. My avr was telling me it was out of phase and i called svs and they said that can happen and not to worry. Then had an amp issue and when i got the new amp i noticed the wires were put in backwards. I switched them and boom my avr now said it was in phase. It seems svs might have an issue with making sure the speakers are put together right. eek.gif
Maybe it was someone new on the assembly line . I know my PB12 plus and PB13 Ultra with the bash amps going on 4 years old have been flawless knock on wood !! They get a work out at least every other day and are on or on stand by everyday .
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So it that picture showing correctly wired or incorrectly?

It is showing correctly wired.
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Maybe it was someone new on the assembly line . I know my PB12 plus and PB13 Ultra with the bash amps going on 4 years old have been flawless knock on wood !! They get a work out at least every other day and are on or on stand by everyday .

No idea. The next two i bought (a 2nd pb-12 plus and a pb-13 ultra) both came set up right and work perfect. I love the subs biggrin.gif
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No idea. The next two i bought (a 2nd pb-12 plus and a pb-13 ultra) both came set up right and work perfect. I love the subs biggrin.gif
That's great man ! I feel the same way cool.gif
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all that did was reverse the polarity...you basically had one sub out of phase with the other and they were cancelling eachother out. I have herd subs make wierd noises before when they were out of phase, so that makes sense if your pluses are co located.

Yes!!! That's it. I figured it out in my car so you beat me to it biggrin.gif

Those poor PB12s were battling each other and just working very hard to cancel each other out.

That means Lecter has another problem though isn't it? frown.gif

I guess the shockwave can create similar-sounding flapping sounds if your camera is in front and close to the woofer, so beware when taking movies of your sub.
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You are most welcome - I'm glad the subs are performing great and are now exceeding your expectations. cool.gif

I'll check the connection cables.

But I have the impression that my problem is different from a simple wire positions inside out.
Please, I beg you read one of my appointments with the problem I exposed. rolleyes.gif

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Maybe it was someone new on the assembly line . I know my PB12 plus and PB13 Ultra with the bash amps going on 4 years old have been flawless knock on wood !! They get a work out at least every other day and are on or on stand by everyday .

The assembly instructions were probably in Chinese. tongue.gif
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Well, I just opened my PB12 + and effectively were poorly connected cables.




Usually SVS makes a review of their products and is signed on the serial number label on the subwoofer. My subwoofer is not inspected.



Thanks to this, my PB12 + has built-in functions PB13/PC13 models only and SB13.

And finally, put some pictures of the construction quality of the subwoofer and to make sure that the driver is properly connected to the wires.

You can see that the center bass reflex port is a bit longer than the rest, what makes me think that if I connect a port (16Hz) Is it better to plug into one of the other two ports, left or right?








I think my subwoofer was finished last minute Friday.
The technician was thinking about the cold beer and the weekend party and therefore led to a bad connection, one more dsp loaded with features and lack of final inspection.
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You are most welcome - I'm glad the subs are performing great and are now exceeding your expectations. cool.gif

Can you be quiet, actually my PB12 + was not connected inside the amp. This later proves to gain maximum sledge 0 and see if the problem is fixed. smile.gif
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Well, I just opened my PB12 + and effectively were poorly connected cables.

Hi Lecter, can you tell us exactly what was wrong with the cable connection? Was it simply that the black and red wires were inverted? Or was the connector loose? If it's only a polarity inversion, it seems a common issue, and I would have thought that would lead to problems only when trying to integrate dual subs (which you will have to do shortly though).
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Usually SVS makes a review of their products and is signed on the serial number label on the subwoofer. My subwoofer is not inspected.

SVS subs are made in China. I guess making them transit to the US to be inspected before shipping them to Europe would add even more to the cost.
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Thanks to this, my PB12 + has built-in functions PB13/PC13 models only and SB13.

That one is funny, a second PEQ for free. The bizarre thing is that the amp correctly tells you this is a PB12-Plus though.
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You can see that the center bass reflex port is a bit longer than the rest, what makes me think that if I connect a port (16Hz) Is it better to plug into one of the other two ports, left or right?

That is a very interesting observation and a valid question! Is the port volume really larger for the center port? Is the situation the same on PC12-Pluses and Ultra models? Which port should be plugged when using 16 Hz tune? I guess in a PB12-Plus it's easy to simply plug the center port -- it will look symmetrical and it's easy to locate. On the PC12-Plus, the ports are arranged in a circle. Which one is the longest?
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I think my subwoofer was finished last minute Friday.

Apart from reversed polarity and the bonus PEQ, it looks alright to me. Reversed polarities are relatively frequent it seems. CR had the same problem when trying to integrate his two PB13-Ultras. Because of that, I made sure playing both my Pluses together actually raised the SPL level before going further in the setup.
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Can you be quiet, actually my PB12 + was not connected inside the amp. This later proves to gain maximum sledge 0 and see if the problem is fixed. smile.gif

That was lost in translation I think biggrin.gif I'm pretty sure you'd have noticed before if your amp were not connected biggrin.gif
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Can you be quiet, actually my PB12 + was not connected inside the amp. This later proves to gain maximum sledge 0 and see if the problem is fixed. smile.gif


Why did you tell Ed Mullen at SVS to be quiet? confused.gif



Thanks for sharing those great pictures and video. You asked a good question regarding which port to plug at 16Hz Mode. I see most people plug the middle port but does it really matter which port to plug to get the best performance?
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Why did you tell Ed Mullen at SVS to be quiet? confused.gif

It may be a language issue; he's admitted to using a translator program, so perhaps his original message wasn't converted properly. Hopefully that's the case anyway...

 
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Why did you tell Ed Mullen at SVS to be quiet? confused.gif



Thanks for sharing those great pictures and video. You asked a good question regarding which port to plug at 16Hz Mode. I see most people plug the middle port but does it really matter which port to plug to get the best performance?

eek.gif This is what is not being able to speak English like god and use google translator to communicate in this forum.
Thousand apologies and many times more than I will have to ask.

Actually I meant that the wires were placed with reversed polarity. rolleyes.gif

I believe that if one has to close a port to work on 16Hz, it will have to shut down or left or right. The longer is the port, the lower the tuning frequency (at least that's what I think).

Now I will respond to Neutro post, I will take a while and something long, but I'll clear some doubts. Well in my hands and were all models of SVS (NSD, Plus, Ultra) and teach as the Plus is the only one that has a large port. biggrin.gif
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The assembly instructions were probably in Chinese. tongue.gif


LOL!


In a way it is not really funny because for the price ($1400) people pay for these, these should have the highest quality check (QC) before shipping them out. I am surprise because the incorrect wiring did not damage the driver or the Sledge amp.

Another thing is that SVS told me that they had to open the sealed box for ANOTHER inspection before they ship these subs out. And the wiring is STILL not correct. So why did they open the sealed box for a final inspection again???

Both of my Pluses came to me with boxes opened. They only taped the center of the box. They told me they had to open them for final inspection. So I don't know what to tell you about their quality check at SVS.
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I think what Lecter wanted to say to Ed was simply "nevermind", as in "no need to answer that", which I see could be distorted into "you can remain silent", then further into "you can be quiet", or as a request, "can you be quiet".

And this, guys, is why we'll always need human translators biggrin.gif

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....That one is funny, a second PEQ for free. The bizarre thing is that the amp correctly tells you this is a PB12-Plus though.......

So is it as simple as getting a free extra PEQ, or is it a more serious issue of the wrong DSP programing being used for driver (PB12+ vs 13U)?

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So is it as simple as getting a free extra PEQ, or is it a more serious issue of the wrong DSP programing being used for driver (PB12+ vs 13U)?

Good question indeed. The wrong DSP programming could certainly push the Plus driver closer to its limits. I just don't see how that can happen though with the amp identifying itself as a "PB12-Plus".
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Hi Lecter, can you tell us exactly what was wrong with the cable connection? Was it simply that the black and red wires were inverted? Or was the connector loose? If it's only a polarity inversion, it seems a common issue, and I would have thought that would lead to problems only when trying to integrate dual subs (which you will have to do shortly though).

Hi.

The cables were connected reversely. Where you need to go +, was connected - and where I had to go on - I was connected +.
But even so, I'm afraid not to solved nothing. The continuous noise in some scenes of some movies, if the gain is at 0 sledge. mad.gif
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SVS subs are made in China. I guess making them transit to the US to be inspected before shipping them to Europe would add even more to the cost.

In all I had of SVS subwoofers, both NSD (Bash and Sledge) and PC13-Ultra Sledge in etiqueda with the serial number, the signature of the person who reviewed and in all cases has been one "DM ".
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That one is funny, a second PEQ for free. The bizarre thing is that the amp correctly tells you this is a PB12-Plus though.

PEQ and a few more functions that possess ultra models. All in my PB12 +. It was Friday and the technician was about to taste the first beer of the weekend. Hahaha is an ironic way of speaking, is a joke. biggrin.gif
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That is a very interesting observation and a valid question! Is the port volume really larger for the center port? Is the situation the same on PC12-Pluses and Ultra models? Which port should be plugged when using 16 Hz tune? I guess in a PB12-Plus it's easy to simply plug the center port -- it will look symmetrical and it's easy to locate. On the PC12-Plus, the ports are arranged in a circle. Which one is the longest?

No, not the same. My previous PC13-Ultra sledge had the same size for all ports (inserting a jack then no matter where the foam). My previous PC13 is spoiling the amp and I had to replace it, leave a picture to verify that all ports have the same length ...






Now a photo taken from Audioholics and another from another forum. Is inside the PB13-Ultra and 3 shows that the ports have the same length...


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Apart from reversed polarity and the bonus PEQ, it looks alright to me. Reversed polarities are relatively frequent it seems. CR had the same problem when trying to integrate his two PB13-Ultras. Because of that, I made sure playing both my Pluses together actually raised the SPL level before going further in the setup.

In my case, just a subwoofer. Over time will be two, but you have to wait for the gift (hopefully soon). biggrin.gif
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That was lost in translation I think biggrin.gif I'm pretty sure you'd have noticed before if your amp were not connected biggrin.gif

Damn google traducctor. mad.gif
You can not imagine what it costs me to communicate with you all. muhahahahaha biggrin.gif
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I think what Lecter wanted to say to Ed was simply "nevermind", as in "no need to answer that", which I see could be distorted into "you can remain silent", then further into "you can be quiet", or as a request, "can you be quiet".

And this, guys, is why we'll always need human translators biggrin.gif

"you can be quiet"

That's actually what I meant. biggrin.gif

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Just wanted to poke back in and say that my new PB1000 is UNREAL! Playing Battlefield 3 at full volume, it barely breaks a sweat, and fills the room with unreal bass. Every time a grenade goes off at my feet I feel the need to jump 10 feet in the air. My family tell me that it sounds like there's a war going on in my room, and people on the street keep running past the house taking cover and returning fire. biggrin.gif

Couldn't be happier. This thing is a beast. Crisp and clear lows, I can't get enough.

Going to try and wire it with an amp tonight... which should be interesting. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around all the inputs on the back. The sub is obviously self-powered... but what are all those extra positive/negatives for? Can you really amp this thing on top of the existing wallplug?

Pardon my ignorance, I'm a newb. Gonna go read the manual online and see if that has any answers for me.
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The cables were connected reversely. Where you need to go +, was connected - and where I had to go on - I was connected +.
But even so, I'm afraid not to solved nothing. The continuous noise in some scenes of some movies, if the gain is at 0 sledge. mad.gif

I would have been tremendously surprised if reversing the polarity solved your issue. I see how it affected Mantaray's dual setup -- the two subs cancelled each other. And it's good you noticed the polarity inversion before you got your second sub (though you still have a 50%-50% chance that the second sub is also reversed, lol).

What I fear is that, as Saturn noted, maybe your DSP is loaded with a PB13-Ultra firmware, and that the DSP applies optimizations for the Ultra driver. I can see how that could result in bad sounds with a Plus driver. If I were you I'd contact your SVS distributor and ask for a replacement amp, just to be on the safe side.
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In all I had of SVS subwoofers, both NSD (Bash and Sledge) and PC13-Ultra Sledge in etiqueda with the serial number, the signature of the person who reviewed and in all cases has been one "DM ".

Then this only adds to the mystery wink.gif
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No, not the same. My previous PC13-Ultra sledge had the same size for all ports (inserting a jack then no matter where the foam). My previous PC13 is spoiling the amp and I had to replace it, leave a picture to verify that all ports have the same length ...

I really don't feel like opening my PC12-Plus just to check whether the ports are all the same length... tongue.gif
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You can not imagine what it costs me to communicate with you all. muhahahahaha biggrin.gif

Don't worry too much. I've never seen you being rude in these forums, so you'll get the benefit of the doubt from most people who know you well.

Also, just keep on posting. I've actually learned a good deal of my written English on online forums. Perhaps you could try relying less on translators, except for specific words for which you don't know the translation. Yet I know the problem: English is language that is shock-full of idioms -- even more so when considering casual conversations. There are a few idiom dictionaries out there -- as well as phrasal verb dictionaries -- but it's really the hardest part since English grammar is quite simple compared to Spanish, French, Germain or Italian...

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Just wanted to poke back in and say that my new PB1000 is UNREAL! Playing Battlefield 3 at full volume

I'm sooo envious of you. I have that over-the-top setup with full 5.1 and dual Pluses. There's an Xbox, a PS3 and an HTPC hooked up. I have *over 50* games waiting for me. But I can't find the time to play them, and certainly not at full volume as my gaming window is when everyone else is asleep in the house.
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Going to try and wire it with an amp tonight... which should be interesting. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around all the inputs on the back. The sub is obviously self-powered... but what are all those extra positive/negatives for? Can you really amp this thing on top of the existing wallplug?

No!!! biggrin.gif Don't do it! These are for speaker-level inputs. You can daisy chain stereo speaker-level signals, use the sub as a crossover and send the output to regular speakers. When you use the line-level input, you should not use the speaker-level inputs. These are not to provide more amplification.

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My PB 12+ has peq 1 and peq 2 also. Even the old amp that was replaced had both of them. All 3 of my tubes are the same length if I remember correctly. I'm sure I would have noticed if they were different lengths.
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It is possible that this evil dsp loaded. But then ... Because when I climb power, I can reach the limit without giving rise to noise? Possibly the answer, the dsp defective.

What annoys me is back to change the amp if this is true. Not the first time and it makes me doubt the reliability of the components of SVS. I'm a big fan of the brand, but all comes to a limit.

As for English, it is best to study it. I have intention to learn the language in the language school. This would have no problem to communicate.
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