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It really depends on the size of your room - the SB2000 is more of an incremental upgrade. If you can afford dual SB1000, then it's worth your while to consider the PB2000, again, depending on your room dimensions/layout.
I can't do a ported sub due to size. My wife already doesn't like seeing the sb1000.
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Have you calibrated your sub using spl meter or audyssey?


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It was calibrated via audyssey, although I am going to do it bia spl meter as well
I have the level in audyssey as 0.0 and adjusted the gain knob on the back to the 2 o'clock position.
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I can't do a ported sub due to size. My wife already doesn't like seeing the sb1000.
In that case, dual SB1000's would be better than a single SB2000. You can also consider getting dual Rythmik L12's - they're closer to the SB1000 in pricepoint.

Considering your WAF constraints, I think a Buttkicker would be a good option for you.
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It was calibrated via audyssey, although I am going to do it bia spl meter as well
I have the level in audyssey as 0.0 and adjusted the gain knob on the back to the 2 o'clock position.
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Audyssey is pretty accurate setting speaker level. You want your sub trim levels in the (-) negative range so instead of calibrating with the sub volume at 12 o'clock as specified by audyssey, move the sub volume/gain to 2 o'clock and re-calibrate using audyssey.

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Room is 15x20x8. Yes, just a little more for movies. I really can't hear the sub in movies at all. I only have two spots for sub placement and they are on either side of my couch that is against a wall.
in that case go for another sb1000...you will gain about 5db and should be enough as you will be able to set the subs at least 5db hot...go for another sb1000 and enyoj duals
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Okay here's my take on my SB-13 Ultra sub I bought last week.

It's a day late because Fed-Ex delivered to the leasing office instead of my place and by the time I realized what happened, the office was closed for the day. So today after getting help carrying the 105lb monster box to my apartment, I finally was able to set it up. I have to say that this thing really is built like a tank and in a good way.

I ran YPAO since I have a Yamaha V867 receiver and did some tweaking. I must say that I had to turn the volume down because wow...this thing can get loud! Turn it down you ask? As I mentioned unfortunately, I live in an apartment and I don't want to upset my neighbors so I turned the volume on the sub to -10. YPAO set the sub to -5.5 on the receiver and I adjusted it to -3.5 after playing around with music and movies. I have to say that this sub is WAY better than the Energy S10.3 it's replacing and I will have to set used to not seeing a light on the front to see if it's on, but yeah...it's on!

I'm playing all sorts of music: dub-step, hip-hip, jazz, they all sound amazing and as loud as it is, it blends in perfectly with the rest of my speaker set up (RC-70 fronts, RC-LCR center, and RC-10 surrounds). Actually, everything sounds better than ever. I just wish I didn't have to go to work tomorrow just so I can spend more time listening to all of my media!

By the way, if anyone is still on the fence about buying from their outlet store for whatever reason, don't. Mine had a "shine" spot which they discounted $200 and if they didn't mentioned it, I wouldn't of noticed. SVS customer service is top notch and were very helpful with me setting it up.

I would definitely recommend this sub to anyone. The only negative thing I have about it is the the grille - not really a fan of it.
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SB13U ... a terrific sub indeed :-)

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FYI. SVS is have a nice clearance sale in the outlet section. Moving sale.


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FYI. SVS is have a nice clearance sale in the outlet section. Moving sale.


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Deals in the outlet don't appear to be better than they were this past Memorial Day. Overall though, considering that the (2)Ultra Bookshelf's and the SB-2000 I received looked mint, I would say saving any money is a bonus.

I got the email this morning and have been wanting to add another SB-2000 and a Ultra Center but the deals seem to be $50-$100 higher per speaker than what I paid a few months ago in the outlet section, so I will wait.
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Does the PC-2000 really extended slightly deeper than the PB-2000?

SVS lists the PC-2000 at 16-260 +/-3dB and then PB-2000 at 17-260 +/-3dB The PC-2000 frequency response graph shows a more gradual drop-off. It probably would not be useable on either but the SVS frequency graph of the PC-2000 shows 10+ more dB output at 10Hz than the PB-2000 and it looks slightly more at 20 Hz:

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Anyone heard/had both? Does the PC-2000 really play slightly flatter under 20 Hz as the graphs indicate? Is there any downside as far as sound quality/extension/punch of the PC-2000 to the PB-2000? Or are the two models on par with each other in sound?

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Does the PC-2000 really extended slightly deeper than the PB-2000?

SVS lists the PC-2000 at 16-260 +/-3dB and then PB-2000 at 17-260 +/-3dB The PC-2000 frequency response graph shows a more gradual drop-off. It probably would not be useable on either but the SVS frequency graph of the PC-2000 shows 10+ more dB output at 10Hz than the PB-2000 and it looks slightly more at 20 Hz:

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Anyone heard/had both? Does the PC-2000 really play slightly flatter under 20 Hz as the graphs indicate? Is there any downside as far as sound quality/extension/punch of the PC-2000 to the PB-2000? Or are the two models on par with each other in sound?
Over all they are very similar, like all PB and PC models ( maybe except Ultras some people said there is bigger different), only your ears can tell what you like more. Order both of them them and compare them side by side for 45 days and then decide. All will cost you zero $$$. You pay only what you decide to keep it.

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Does the PC-2000 really extended slightly deeper than the PB-2000?

SVS lists the PC-2000 at 16-260 +/-3dB and then PB-2000 at 17-260 +/-3dB The PC-2000 frequency response graph shows a more gradual drop-off. It probably would not be useable on either but the SVS frequency graph of the PC-2000 shows 10+ more dB output at 10Hz than the PB-2000 and it looks slightly more at 20 Hz:

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Anyone heard/had both? Does the PC-2000 really play slightly flatter under 20 Hz as the graphs indicate? Is there any downside as far as sound quality/extension/punch of the PC-2000 to the PB-2000? Or are the two models on par with each other in sound?
I have had and have heard both models. I ultimately decided on the PC-2000 due to space. The PB-2000 just took up too much floor space.

I would say they sound almost identical, and it's very difficult to tell them apart. The only caveat that makes them sound different is that the PC-2000 has a rear facing port, making it just sound different in the same location because the port is facing the wall instead of the room. But honestly the difference is negligible.

The PC-2000 sounds really amazing, and is more of a conversation piece than a conventional looking sub.
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The PC-2000 sounds really amazing, and is more of a conversation piece than a conventional looking sub.
A PC-2000 would give me more locations, whereas the PB-2000 could only be place in two places. I currently have a PB-1000 in one of those places, and per my ears, doing a subwoofer crawl, it was good. But if I get a microphone and use REW and it shows a better place, the PB-2000 might not fit whereas the PC-2000 might - so more opportunities.

Would you say the PC-2000 is deficient in anyway compared to the PB-2000 as far a sound?
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Just throwing it out there that membership in the club has increased! Ordered an SB-1000 with it arriving tomorrow. I'm excited!

Currently have an NXG NX-BAS-500. I'm looking forward to comparing the two (and also hearing them together). Eventually I'm thinking I'll add another SB-1000 (in replacement of the NXG). Placement will be interesting, too, as my room has a variety of 45-degree angles, so I'm also looking forward to playing with settings/positions.
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Like I said, I had both back to back (within days of each other) and thought the PC-2000 sounded just as good. Not deficient in any way.

Everything I throw at it, it takes it in stride.

As far as the stated lower frequency capability, it does seem noticeable. Like it hits even harder than the PB-2000. Trust me, you won't lose anything going with the PC-2000.
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Love my PC-2000!! It does a great job of blending into its surroundings.
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Just pulled the trigger on a SB-13 Ultra....can't wait
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I just ordered an outlet PC-2000, and wondering about how old it could be. When did SVS first release the PC - 2000? From what I can find, it seems they have not even been out a year (Fall-holiday season of 2014.) Anyone confirm the initial release date?
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Love my PC-2000!! It does a great job of blending into its surroundings.
Does it move around any? Do the things you have on top of it, dance around any?

The reason I am asking is because while I was researching the PC-2000, I found this article http://www.audioholics.com/tower-spe...2000-subwoofer which states,

The PC-2000 also nixes the baseplate, instead replaced by four SoundPath Isolation Feet that are designed to decouple the subwoofer from the floor, theoretically reducing unwanted rattles, buzzing, etc. We’re also hoping that this reduces the tendency of the subwoofer to “walk” on hard floors (i.e. tile, hardwood, etc.), which was one issue we found with the PC12-NSD.

I was already wondering about that based on how the PC-2000 is almost 20 pounds lighter than the PB-2000 and more upright with a smaller footprint.

Do they move around while playing?
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Like I said, I had both back to back (within days of each other) and thought the PC-2000 sounded just as good. Not deficient in any way.

Everything I throw at it, it takes it in stride.

As far as the stated lower frequency capability, it does seem noticeable. Like it hits even harder than the PB-2000. Trust me, you won't lose anything going with the PC-2000.
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Does it move around any? Do the things you have on top of it, dance around any?

The reason I am asking is because while I was researching the PC-2000, I found this article http://www.audioholics.com/tower-spe...2000-subwoofer which states,

The PC-2000 also nixes the baseplate, instead replaced by four SoundPath Isolation Feet that are designed to decouple the subwoofer from the floor, theoretically reducing unwanted rattles, buzzing, etc. We’re also hoping that this reduces the tendency of the subwoofer to “walk” on hard floors (i.e. tile, hardwood, etc.), which was one issue we found with the PC12-NSD.

I was already wondering about that based on how the PC-2000 is almost 20 pounds lighter than the PB-2000 and more upright with a smaller footprint.

Do they move around while playing?
No, hasn't move at all and the items on top have not moved either. The rubber isolation feet do a great job.

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Played Mad Max the other day and the PC12 went into the kitchen and made a sandwich. Didn't bring me back anything.
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Played Mad Max the other day and the PC12 went into the kitchen and made a sandwich. Didn't bring me back anything.

I know you are joking, but does your PC12-NSD move any under high output? Is it on carpet or smooth flooring?
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Love my PC-2000!! It does a great job of blending into its surroundings.
Does it move around any? Do the things you have on top of it, dance around any?

The reason I am asking is because while I was researching the PC-2000, I found this article http://www.audioholics.com/tower-spe...2000-subwoofer which states,

The PC-2000 also nixes the baseplate, instead replaced by four SoundPath Isolation Feet that are designed to decouple the subwoofer from the floor, theoretically reducing unwanted rattles, buzzing, etc. We?re also hoping that this reduces the tendency of the subwoofer to ?walk? on hard floors (i.e. tile, hardwood, etc.), which was one issue we found with the PC12-NSD.

I was already wondering about that based on how the PC-2000 is almost 20 pounds lighter than the PB-2000 and more upright with a smaller footprint.

Do they move around while playing?

Solid as a rock on my wood floors. It does not move at all.
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I know you are joking, but does your PC12-NSD move any under high output? Is it on carpet or smooth flooring?
Carpet, doesn't move. You could always get furniture pads or a small rug a black one to match it even. But I doubt it's going anywhere even when it gets good and angry.

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My Ultra's stay in place on hardwood even when I want to move them.
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Thanks for confirming all that. It was a no damage unit, and still was $100 off. Considering the oldest it could be is 10 months (at least I think November 2014 was when the PC-2000 was first released), it seems a great value.
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Thanks for confirming all that. It was a no damage unit, and still was $100 off. Considering the oldest it could be is 10 months (at least I think November 2014 was when the PC-2000 was first released), it seems a great value.
Sounds about right, I bought mine the day after thanksgiving.

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When did you get another Ultra?

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I got it a couple of months ago. Still haven't got around to fully enjoying them. Dean is recapping my xo's in my LCR.
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