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I replaced a perfectly functioning MFW15 with an SB13 Ultra in my 3000 cu ft room. I actually think the SB sounds better in all respects. In my room it is not lacking for movies. (Neither was the MFW). I did add a second one a week later but it had nothing to do with output. So far I am very impressed with them. Fwiw I have owned about 15 subwoofers ranging from DIY to a JL F113.

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Wow this is great to know. I sold my mfw15 and was starting to get second thoughts.

So you like the sb13u more? In what ways?

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I'm considering replacing my hodge podge 5.1 with five Prime Satellite speakers (and my SB 2000). Anyone have experience using the center channel horizontally? Should I be worried about any strange waveform problems?

I was thinking it put some rubber feet on it so it doesn't rattle, etc.


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I replaced a perfectly functioning MFW15 with an SB13 Ultra in my 3000 cu ft room. I actually think the SB sounds better in all respects. In my room it is not lacking for movies. (Neither was the MFW). I did add a second one a week later but it had nothing to do with output. So far I am very impressed with them. Fwiw I have owned about 15 subwoofers ranging from DIY to a JL F113.

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Being a relatively smaller sub, the SB13 will give up quite a bit in lower bass compared to the bigger and/or more expensive subs out there. Now with his importance placed on music, the OP may not care.


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Budget is 2000.00 and wife doesn't care it's in a dedicated theater.

But believe it or not I am the one that doesn't want a big black squared edge box. My buddy can get me Jbl monster pro theater subs at cost.

Actually I have a perfect setup for infinite baffle subs and actually considered it. But if I ever move into a smaller place I want to be able to pack it all up and go.

I would have more placement options if it is no taller than 22". This will allow them to be placed anywhere along the front wall.

I am going to probably start with one. But definitely will want another identical sub in the near future. Dsp will be a big consideration because I am using Dirac on my xmc1. And it has a problem with two subs.

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Wow this is great to know. I sold my mfw15 and was starting to get second thoughts.

So you like the sb13u more? In what ways?

To my ear it just sounds better. The MFW was a great design and performed extremely well for its price. I try not to use buzz words that mean different things to different people but the SB13 is "tighter" and "punchier" than my MFW was. In my room it was easier to get a smooth response with a single SB13 vs a single MFW. Less EQ was needed. I am not giving up anything in the subsonic range and it actually sounds cleaner to my ears. Remember though.... my room doesn't need a whole ton of "Subwoofage" to get good response at the MLP.


Our audio memory is extremely subjective but from what I remember the SB13 sounds a LOT like the F113 I use to own.


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Tighter and punchier is what I am looking for.

And I have been told the sb13u sounds a lot like the jlF113 by a few people. Just not as much output.
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Budget is 2000.00 and wife doesn't care it's in a dedicated theater.

But believe it or not I am the one that doesn't want a big black squared edge box. My buddy can get me Jbl monster pro theater subs at cost.

Actually I have a perfect setup for infinite baffle subs and actually considered it. But if I ever move into a smaller place I want to be able to pack it all up and go.

I would have more placement options if it is no taller than 22". This will allow them to be placed anywhere along the front wall.

I am going to probably start with one. But definitely will want another identical sub in the near future. Dsp will be a big consideration because I am using Dirac on my xmc1. And it has a problem with two subs.
At 2k, yeah you're not going to be able to have your cake (high output, good extension, good musicality, good WAF) and eat it too.

Subs I'd consider would be the SB13, some of the Rythmik's (FV15-hp, F15hp if you want sealed) , or see if I could find a used Submersive

JTR just dropped the price on he S1 as well to $1999. Jim Wilson had the SB13, s1 and the Rythmik e15; you could alwYs drop him a pm and get his thoughts as well

edit: keeping in mind all this is relative. A $1600-2000 sub is generally going to be fantastic; but with that budget you're getting into the territory of having lots of options, some of which may make more sense.

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So it seems my problem was with the volume nob. I was told debris can get inside and mess with it. That was the reason for the constant bloated volume level. So i had to press it in a little and turn in back and forth to reset everything. Problem solved.

I don't know if that's related the scratching noises when playing test tones, i didn't get a chance to test it again. I'll do that later on tonight.


I have to monitor the sub for awhile and get back to SVS with a video of the problem should it arise again.

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Budget is 2000.00 and wife doesn't care it's in a dedicated theater.

But believe it or not I am the one that doesn't want a big black squared edge box. My buddy can get me Jbl monster pro theater subs at cost.

Actually I have a perfect setup for infinite baffle subs and actually considered it. But if I ever move into a smaller place I want to be able to pack it all up and go.

I would have more placement options if it is no taller than 22". This will allow them to be placed anywhere along the front wall.

I am going to probably start with one. But definitely will want another identical sub in the near future. Dsp will be a big consideration because I am using Dirac on my xmc1. And it has a problem with two subs.
Box size is going to directly influence output, so you're not going to be able to get a small sub that is also small. If aesthetics are a really critical factor for you, you might want to look in Funk Audio. They're going to be a little above your $2000 budget (or several thousand depending on the model), but in terms of high performance and looks they are probably the best bet out there.

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Them Funk subs are pretty nice looking. But to pricey for me. All their own parts in them also from what I can figure out. Nice !!!!
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My 2nd PB-1000 arrived yesterday afternoon. I got it hooked up and I'm already in love. I do feel like I need to better adjust the volume, I'm currently at 12 o'clock on both. Any recommendations? Yamaha RX-V375 with Pioneer AJs in a 1904 ft listening space opening to a kitchen for a total space of 3640ft3.
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My 2nd PB-1000 arrived yesterday afternoon. I got it hooked up and I'm already in love. I do feel like I need to better adjust the volume, I'm currently at 12 o'clock on both. Any recommendations? Yamaha RX-V375 with Pioneer AJs in a 1904 ft listening space opening to a kitchen for a total space of 3640ft3.
Ive always put my SVS subs dial in the 2 o'clock position
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Thats irrelevant for everyone but you. And probably not the best setting even for yourself.

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My 2nd PB-1000 arrived yesterday afternoon. I got it hooked up and I'm already in love. I do feel like I need to better adjust the volume, I'm currently at 12 o'clock on both. Any recommendations? Yamaha RX-V375 with Pioneer AJs in a 1904 ft listening space opening to a kitchen for a total space of 3640ft3.
Since the 375 only has 1 preout you must be using a splitter. You need to level match or gain match your subs.
Setting a single distance for 2 subs can be difficult but should really be done also.
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Since the 375 only has 1 preout you must be using a splitter. You need to level match or gain match your subs.
Setting a single distance for 2 subs can be difficult but should really be done also.
Yes, using a splitter. They're match in actual distance and physically set gain. I'm waiting on my friend's tripod to rerun YPAO.

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Yes, using a splitter. They're match in actual distance and physically set gain. I'm waiting on my friend's tripod to rerun YPAO.
Actual distance is irrelevant. Room placement will change gain.
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Yes, using a splitter. They're match in actual distance and physically set gain. I'm waiting on my friend's tripod to rerun YPAO.
Actual distance is irrelevant. Room placement will change gain.
Gotcha, they're either going to be corner placed or close to 1/4 wall placed on the "front stage" after my fine tuning testing.
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Gotcha, they're either going to be corner placed or close to 1/4 wall placed on the "front stage" after my fine tuning testing.
Sub placement is critical for best performance.
Why would you do "fine tune testing" (whatever that is) and then place the subs?
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Sorry, still waking up. Placement, then "fine tuning" of adjusting volume, running YPAO and small AVR settings tweaks.
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So it seems my problem was with the volume nob. I was told debris can get inside and mess with it. That was the reason for the constant bloated volume level. So i had to press it in a little and turn in back and forth to reset everything. Problem solved.

I don't know if that's related the scratching noises when playing test tones, i didn't get a chance to test it again. I'll do that later on tonight.


I have to monitor the sub for awhile and get back to SVS with a video of the problem should it arise again.
Ok so just now i was checking the sub and the high volume was there again. I had to do the same as above to fix it. It doesn't seem like a simple dust getting into it problem to me since this is still happening. It's more of an amp or damage volume nob. I should add that i always turn off the sub when it's not in use. I don't leave it on standby. Don't know if that matters.

I'm going to turn the volume back and forth a little bit longer to see if maybe i wasn't doing it long enough to clean it? I wonder if the initial start up is the issue? Like i said i switch off the sub from the back.

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When turning the volume nob, you can see the silver trim getting exposed. That doesn't happen with LFE and Phase nob. Is this normal?

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I checked out the Ultra BS speakers and while the price is nice, it looks like they all have chips or scratches. I was hoping for an Ultra center in oak.

While I think the piano black is beautiful I'll opt for the oak veneer. A bit more forgiving when cleaning off the dust and less reflective...

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I checked out the Ultra BS speakers and while the price is nice, it looks like they all have chips or scratches. I was hoping for an Ultra center in oak.

While I think the piano black is beautiful I'll opt for the oak veneer. A bit more forgiving when cleaning off the dust and less reflective...

Hi Ken,

I have a CC in piano black, although it isn't SVS. FWIW, with the grille cover on, there is really nothing much to reflect light during playback. I suppose if you got the speaker out far enough in front of the display the top could conceivably reflect a little, but honestly I think that's unlikely. Not trying to talk you into anything here, just thought I would mention it.

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I have a CC in piano black, although it isn't SVS. FWIW, with the grille cover on, there is really nothing much to reflect light during playback. I suppose if you got the speaker out far enough in front of the display the top could conceivably reflect a little, but honestly I think that's unlikely. Not trying to talk you into anything here, just thought I would mention it.

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Thanks for the thought Mike.

The finish would be more important with the other speakers. Unfortunately the B.S's had a good price but none with oak veneer.

Any complaints with the Ultra center you have? I will probably team it up with the Ultra bookshelvs eventually although the Prime towers are interesting also from my review reading.

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The finish would be more important with the other speakers. Unfortunately the B.S's had a good price but none with oak veneer.

Any complaints with the Ultra center you have? I will probably team it up with the Ultra bookshelvs eventually although the Prime towers are interesting also from my review reading.

I have read very good reviews about the entire Ultra line, but I am using a DefTech Mythos Ten in piano black for my center. I have vintage speakers in the rest of my system; except for my SVS subs. If you buy Ultras or Primes, I would be very interested in your thoughts. I have recommended both just on the strength of reviews, and based on my faith in SVS, but I would love to hear more about either line if you try them out.

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I have read very good reviews about the entire Ultra line, but I am using a DefTech Mythos Ten in piano black for my center. I have vintage speakers in the rest of my system; except for my SVS subs. If you buy Ultras or Primes, I would be very interested in your thoughts. I have recommended both just on the strength of reviews, and based on my faith in SVS, but I would love to hear more about either line if you try them out.
All my surrounds are Prime speakers. I've got 6 Prime Satellites running as my height and rear channels. Then I've got a pair of Prime bookshelf speakers as my side surrounds. I have been extremely happy with these speakers and in my limited testing think they would make great main speakers. Of course, they are going to require a sub for the low end. Generally speaking I like the midrange on my EMP towers more then the SVS midrange, however SVS seems to have the superior tweeter. I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more written about the SVS speaker lineup.
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Well, I ordered the prime bookshelves from the outlet today for $400 for the pair (black ash). It was zero damage.

I'm curious whether items from the outlet come from returns from the 45 day trial period solely or also from returns from the 1 year trade up or performance guarantee policies.

Does anyone know? (Just trying to determine how long my speakers were used by the previous owner.)

Thanks in advance.
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Well, I ordered the prime bookshelves from the outlet today for $400 for the pair (black ash). It was zero damage.

I'm curious whether items from the outlet come from returns from the 45 day trial period solely or also from returns from the 1 year trade up or performance guarantee policies.

Does anyone know? (Just trying to determine how long my speakers were used by the previous owner.)

Thanks in advance.
I doubt that kind of info would be made public. Think of them as refurb with same warranty as new, other than that its luck of the draw I guess.
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