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Hi, I had a minor question about my second sub and emailed SVS today. An hour later I got a phone call from them to talk through my issue. They called because they thought it would be easier to talk back and forth rather than via email. I am really impressed with how responsive and helpful they have been with me. I am not an unusually large account (I have two of their subs), but they have treated me like I was buying my second Bentley.
It is great to find a great product and a great company at the same place (I suppose that should be the norm, but it isn't!).
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Ok sooo.. how much difference is there between dual VTF-3.5’s and an SB-16? Would you rather have dual 3.5’s or one SB-16?


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Let us know! Those 4000’s and 16 Ultras are nice! I’d like to hear them!


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The PB4000 out of the box is pretty tight so it’s going to take some breaking in but as expected it is similar to the PB13 but with a little more punch although not dramatically more. I expect that may change over the next week or two but I’m glad I decided to upgrade as I do like the new design and features. The ability to access settings and make changes from the app even if it’s not often is pretty sweet.


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Hello all,

I took the driver out of a PB-2000 and put a meter up to it. Looks like it's a 2 ohm load/driver. Looked like the amp is wired In series too. Has anyone replaced the driver in one of these with something better/tighter? Reason I ask is it seems like this driver is hitting max excursion and the amp has plenty more before clipping.

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I took the driver out of a PB-2000 and put a meter up to it. Looks like it's a 2 ohm load/driver. Looked like the amp is wired In series too. Has anyone replaced the driver in one of these with something better/tighter? Reason I ask is it seems like this driver is hitting max excursion and the amp has plenty more before clipping.



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I'm into this thing for pennies on the dollar and have access to some drivers relatively cheap. I have 2 PB-13's on a different system already. Not saying this driver is junk, just wondering if anyone has swapped out the driver and gotten better results.
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I'm into this thing for pennies on the dollar and have access to some drivers relatively cheap. I have 2 PB-13's on a different system already. Not saying this driver is junk, just wondering if anyone has swapped out the driver and gotten better results.


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Ok sooo.. how much difference is there between dual VTF-3.5’s and an SB-16? Would you rather have dual 3.5’s or one SB-16?

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It wouldn't even be a contest. A single VTF-3 would have more low-frequency output from about 30Hz down. And, the margin would increase <20Hz. The single SB16 would, however, do better than the single VTF-3's above about 50Hz.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html

http://www.data-bass.com/systems (Look at the SB13 and then add ~4db at 31.5Hz and below for the SB16.)

But, dual VTF-3 ported subs against a single 16 Ultra sealed sub just isn't a fair fight fight. You are getting a lot of performance for your money. To get more output than you have now would require you to go up considerably in price, and if you are interested in low-frequency output, you probably couldn't improve what you have without going to large ported subs.

Of course, none of what I said considers factors of aesthetics, features, or preferred sound quality, as those are hard to quantify from a personal preference or value standpoint. I have PB16's (and a nearfield PB4000) and I am very happy with them. But, I know what I want, and believe that I am making a choice which best serves my listening habits and personal preferences. Once we start advising other people, we pretty well have to use output comparisons.

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Hi,

It wouldn't even be a contest. A single VTF-3 would have more low-frequency output from about 30Hz down. And, the margin would increase <20Hz. The single SB16 would, however, do better than the single VTF-3's above about 50Hz.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html

http://www.data-bass.com/systems (Look at the SB13 and then add ~4db at 31.5Hz and below for the SB16.)

But, dual VTF-3 ported subs against a single 16 Ultra sealed sub just isn't a fair fight fight. You are getting a lot of performance for your money. To get more output than you have now would require you to go up considerably in price, and if you are interested in low-frequency output, you probably couldn't improve what you have without going to large ported subs.

Of course, none of what I said considers factors of aesthetics, features, or preferred sound quality, as those are hard to quantify from a personal preference or value standpoint. I have PB16's (and a nearfield PB4000) and I am very happy with them. But, I know what I want, and believe that I am making a choice which best serves my listening habits and personal preferences. Once we start advising other people, we pretty well have to use output comparisons.

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Thanks Mike! Soooo, an SB-16 is not much of an upgrade over my VTF-3 MK5? ..just curious


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I took the driver out of a PB-2000 and put a meter up to it. Looks like it's a 2 ohm load/driver. Looked like the amp is wired In series too. Has anyone replaced the driver in one of these with something better/tighter? Reason I ask is it seems like this driver is hitting max excursion and the amp has plenty more before clipping.

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As far as I know, all of the SVS subs are driver-limited rather than amp-limited. I believe that represents a deliberate design decision by SVS, although Ed Mullen might wish to comment on that. Unless you are really sure that you know what you are doing (which you may be) I wouldn't advise changing to another driver. It seems to me that would have to affect the DSP that SVS has implemented. Have you considered just going completely DIY as a way to get exactly what you want in a more economical way?

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Of course, none of what I said considers factors of aesthetics, features, or preferred sound quality, as those are hard to quantify from a personal preference or value standpoint. I have PB16's (and a nearfield PB4000) and I am very happy with them. But, I know what I want, and believe that I am making a choice which best serves my listening habits and personal preferences. Once we start advising other people, we pretty well have to use output comparisons.

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I'm into this thing for pennies on the dollar and have access to some drivers relatively cheap. I have 2 PB-13's on a different system already. Not saying this driver is junk, just wondering if anyone has swapped out the driver and gotten better results.
If you didn't like it to begin with then why not just send it back before you turn it into a frankenstein sub? Or just sell it and buy something different.

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If you didn't like it to begin with then why not just send it back before you turn it into a frankenstein sub? Or just sell it and buy something different.

I never once said I didn't like it. I'm simply asking if anyone has replaced the driver in this sub for something of tighter/better quality. I also said I have pennies to the dollar in it, got it on the cheap. Capiche?

I've also replaced drivers in boxes that were not OEM that did actually perform and sound better. I just figured I'd ask if anyone has actually replaced the driver in this large house before I dust off the drill press, bust out the sledge hammer, crowbar and jack stands.....
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As far as I know, all of the SVS subs are driver-limited rather than amp-limited.

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Being fairly new with SVS I can't offer comparisons between the older VFT-3 and the newer SB16 but I am happy with the SB16. I started with a Velodyne F15R and later moved to the DefTech Supercube Reference which I still use. I have always been curious about SVS for years. Never being able to listen to one in a store until December of 2016 steered me away from taking the gamble. However, after hearing a demo in HiFi Sales in New Jersey peeked my interest and I purchased the SB13 Ultra that December. Just about when my 45 day trial was about to end the SB16 Ultra was released. I ended up keeping the SB13 Ultra. Later during the summer of 2017 my curiousity got the best of me. I searched the SVS site and found a SB16 Ultra in the Outlet and jumped on it. I've been very happy with it and it now runs along with the DefTech Supercube Ref and SB13 Ultra. The Bluetooth app option is a nice touch but not necessary for me.
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Currently have a pb12-nsd and looking to add another sub but was wondering if any has the pb2000 as the other sub? Or would it be better just to get another nsd?
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Currently have a pb12-nsd and looking to add another sub but was wondering if any has the pb2000 as the other sub? Or would it be better just to get another nsd?
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Either one would work for you. The PB2000 is obviously more expensive, but it is also a little more powerful. And, it is just a little better quality subwoofer. Above 20Hz it would have about 4db more output than the PB12-NSD. That's a 40% increase in loudness. So, a lot depends on why you are adding a second subwoofer.

If you are adding another sub primarily to improve your frequency response, another PB12 will do that, although good subwoofer placement is important. And, adding a second PB12 will give you an average of 6db more output across the sub's full frequency range. Again, that is dependent on good placement. Some experimentation will probably be required to determine where the two subs sound best together.

If you are adding a second sub primarily to get the maximum increase in SPL and tactile sensations, then the PB2000 might be a better investment, because it will produce more SPL natively than the PB12 will. But, the two subs should have a sufficiently similar shape of frequency response to still obtain an average of about 6db more output across the frequency range. (Individual frequencies will get more or less than that average, again depending heavily on placement.)

If you do decide to get a PB2000, I would recommend that you try to move your PB12 closer to your main listening position, if possible. SPL decreases with distance. Having the slightly less powerful sub nearer to your listening position will help to equalize the output capabilities of the two subs, and will allow you to take full advantage of the extra output of the PB2000. I hope this helps!

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I think that the PB-13 is the best driver for that unit, that driver is a monster. A replacement driver is 650.00 dollars, I look at other 13.5 drivers and JL Audio has some. They range from 600.00 to 1200.00 dollars an I believe that none of these drivers would give you the same performance of the SVS driver. That driver is 50 lbs and optimized for this system. But I could be wrong.

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Either one would work for you. The PB2000 is obviously more expensive, but it is also a little more powerful. And, it is just a little better quality subwoofer. Above 20Hz it would have about 4db more output than the PB12-NSD. That's a 40% increase in loudness. So, a lot depends on why you are adding a second subwoofer.

If you are adding another sub primarily to improve your frequency response, another PB12 will do that, although good subwoofer placement is important. And, adding a second PB12 will give you an average of 6db more output across the sub's full frequency range. Again, that is dependent on good placement. Some experimentation will probably be required to determine where the two subs sound best together.

If you are adding a second sub primarily to get the maximum increase in SPL and tactile sensations, then the PB2000 might be a better investment, because it will produce more SPL natively than the PB12 will. But, the two subs should have a sufficiently similar shape of frequency response to still obtain an average of about 6db more output across the frequency range. (Individual frequencies will get more or less than that average, again depending heavily on placement.)

If you do decide to get a PB2000, I would recommend that you try to move your PB12 closer to your main listening position, if possible. SPL decreases with distance. Having the slightly less powerful sub nearer to your listening position will help to equalize the output capabilities of the two subs, and will allow you to take full advantage of the extra output of the PB2000. I hope this helps!

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Thanks that was very informative! I think im going to lean more towards the pb2000 for what im looking to achieve. Thanks again.
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I took the driver out of a PB-2000 and put a meter up to it. Looks like it's a 2 ohm load/driver. Looked like the amp is wired In series too. Has anyone replaced the driver in one of these with something better/tighter? Reason I ask is it seems like this driver is hitting max excursion and the amp has plenty more before clipping.

Thanks!
You'd probably be better served raising this question in the DIY forum instead of in the SVS owner's thread where I'd suspect most everyone on here wouldn't even think of performing a heart transplant on their SVS subs
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I think that the PB-13 is the best driver for that unit, that driver is a monster. A replacement driver is 650.00 dollars, I look at other 13.5 drivers and JL Audio has some. They range from 600.00 to 1200.00 dollars an I believe that none of these drivers would give you the same performance of the SVS driver. That driver is 50 lbs and optimized for this system. But I could be wrong.
Lots of factors involved for sure. One, the load of the new sub. I'm pretty sure they have wired this in series to create a 4 ohm load on the amp with a 2 ohm driver. A 13W7 Is a 1.5 ohm driver as an example. Not even sure I'd want to play with this particular D amp and a 3 ohm load. Plus, there is a cross member inside of this 2000 that would have to be mod'd up or almost completely taken out depending on depth and I'm pretty positive a 13W7 exceeds it.

Again, just seeing if anyone had done this. I'm not even sure I have the energy any more
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Hey all. I'm looking into purchasing my first SVS sub but not sure which one to get. The room I'm using is the second bedroom in my apartment. It's 13'x12' with two standard doorways (one being an walk in closet). I'm not sure whether to go sealed, ported or even cylinder. I'm in Canada so prices are higher for me. Right now I have two Paradigm PDR10 subs in a 5.2 set up with Fluance AVHTB+ speakers. I certainly want something that is great for movies but also works really well for music. Any suggestions?

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Finally got me a high end sub after having an old klipsch ksw150 for so many years. Lucky I checked the classifieds and @timothyles was selling a PC12 plus for an amazing price. This thing really is a beast. Still messing with calibrations, but so far this thing is a beast!!! Have one port close atm and see how it goes from there. Any tips anyone would mind sharing, I would appreciate. 👍
Congrats! I was contemplating getting that as well. That was an excellent deal.

I run my PB12 Plus all ports open in 20Hz mode/LFE in a 2160 cu. ft. room with a 5ft. opening on the left to the kitchen/dining area, and hallway opening at the left rear. It absolutely rocks in my configuration. Especially whenever I was able to minimize the vibrations.

At some point I'm going to break down and get an SPL meter and see if I can find the best placement for it, and do a proper calibration.

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Reminder that DIY sub discussion should be moved over the forum dedicated to the topic vs this forum...or you are welcome to take it to PM.

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Hey all. I'm looking into purchasing my first SVS sub but not sure which one to get. The room I'm using is the second bedroom in my apartment. It's 13'x12' with two standard doorways (one being an walk in closet). I'm not sure whether to go sealed, ported or even cylinder. I'm in Canada so prices are higher for me. Right now I have two Paradigm PDR10 subs in a 5.2 set up with Fluance AVHTB+ speakers. I certainly want something that is great for movies but also works really well for music. Any suggestions?

Is sub size a factor and what’s your budget?


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Well I certainly don't need any of their monstrosities. lol Keep in mind I am in an apartment. Nothing more than the 2000 series. I can't afford any of the Ultra ones. A PB-2000 is $1,079 + tax for me in Canada. That's plenty more then I thought I would ever consider spending on a sub. I got my two Paradigm subs for under $400 together.
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Maybe get a PB-12 NSD ($499 in the USA) ..it’s “in-between” the PB-1000 and PB-2000. It would be plenty for that size room.


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Maybe get a PB-12 NSD ($499 in the USA) ..it’s “in-between” the PB-1000 and PB-2000. It would be plenty for that size room.


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Not seeing that one on their site. But I do see the SB-12 NSD https://www.svsound.com/products/sb12-nsd And that's a decent price for me.
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