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Hey Jamie! Thanks for the encouraging words. I just uploaded a new video just a few minutes ago on the Dual SVS SB-16 Ultra Subs. Speaking of subs...I see you have Dual Seaton SubMersives. Very cool! I heard one at a local guy's home theater and it had some serious output.
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Hi Everyone

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I upgraded from a BIC F12 to a PC-2000 last week and am blown away. My room is a livingroom/kitchen and is around 3000 cubic feet and I can absolutely feel everything in movies. It's incredible! I did a ton of reading all over this forum over the years before signing up but figured it was time!
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Hi Everyone

First post!

I upgraded from a BIC F12 to a PC-2000 last week and am blown away. My room is a livingroom/kitchen and is around 3000 cubic feet and I can absolutely feel everything in movies. It's incredible! I did a ton of reading all over this forum over the years before signing up but figured it was time!
Welcome to the real sub club. Congrats. The PC-2000 is a great sub. Just wait. Right now you think it can't get any better but soon enough you'll be eyeballing bigger subs wonder what if. Bass is like cocaine and AVS is well quite the opposite of a support group. This is what happened in my 3200 ft^3 living room after starting upgrades from a HTIB system. Let's just say I'm glad they don't make a larger cylinder.

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Welcome to the real sub club. Congrats. The PC-2000 is a great sub. Just wait. Right now you think it can't get any better but soon enough you'll be eyeballing bigger subs wonder what if. Bass is like cocaine and AVS is well quite the opposite of a support group. This is what happened in my 3200 ft^3 living room after starting upgrades from a HTIB system. Let's just say I'm glad they don't make a larger cylinder.

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3/5/2018 - Dual PC-4000s
Lol!

I know that's in my future. I've already warned my wife that there's gonna be a second on there within 2 years, and then after that I saw that SVS has an upgrade program. It's only a matter of time!

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Welcome to the real sub club. Congrats. The PC-2000 is a great sub. Just wait. Right now you think it can't get any better but soon enough you'll be eyeballing bigger subs wonder what if. Bass is like cocaine and AVS is well quite the opposite of a support group. This is what happened in my 3200 ft^3 living room after starting upgrades from a HTIB system. Let's just say I'm glad they don't make a larger cylinder.

10/3/2016 - PB-1000 (returned during trial period)
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3/5/2018 - Dual PC-4000s
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Nice. Unless you are thinking PB16, then dual PB16s I would go dual PB-4000s which would give you more headroom and more even frequency response than a single PB16.

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Nice. Unless you are thinking PB16, then dual PB16s I would go dual PB-4000s which would give you more headroom and more even frequency response than a single PB16.
Yeah goal is dual PB-4000. But if WAF factor is low I might have to just stick with one sub. In that case I will upgrade to just one 16 ultrs

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Yeah goal is dual PB-4000. But if WAF factor is low I might have to just stick with one sub. In that case I will upgrade to just one 16 ultrs

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Got it. Depending on room the PC-4000 can be placed in a corner and be less noticeable than a large box so something to consider. No problem mixing PC and PB as they are essentially the same.
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So last night I was talking about the future upgrade path on our subwoofer situation and my wife just came out and asked why I haven't ordered a second PC-2000 yet.

I expected her to not really care that I want to upgrade eventually, but I certainly didn't expect her to basically tell me to upgrade a week later.

So I think I'm going to get a second PC-2000, but then I started thinking what if I just got 1 PC-4000 instead of a second PC-2000? I'm still in my 45 day return shipping window.

So my choices are:

1. Keep the PC-2000 and add a second one.
2. Return the PC-2000 for free and get a PC-4000.

I don't know if the performance of the PC-4000 is so much better that it's worth keeping just 1 of those for a year or two before upgrading to dual PC-4000s.

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So last night I was talking about the future upgrade path on our subwoofer situation and my wife just came out and asked why I haven't ordered a second PC-2000 yet.

I expected her to not really care that I want to upgrade eventually, but I certainly didn't expect her to basically tell me to upgrade a week later.

So I think I'm going to get a second PC-2000, but then I started thinking what if I just got 1 PC-4000 instead of a second PC-2000? I'm still in my 45 day return shipping window.

So my choices are:

1. Keep the PC-2000 and add a second one.
2. Return the PC-2000 for free and get a PC-4000.

I don't know if the performance of the PC-4000 is so much better that it's worth keeping just 1 of those for a year or two before upgrading to dual PC-4000s.
Hi,

That's never an easy decision. I just reviewed the max output of the two subs, for comparison purposes, and to refresh my memory. The big difference between a pair of PC2000's versus a single PC4000 would be in the low-frequency extension. A single PC4000 would have a good bit more SPL, below 20Hz, than a pair of PC2000's. The advantage of the dual PC2000's would be primarily in the opportunity to achieve a smoother frequency response. I don't think you would notice the relatively modest increase in SPL that you might get with dual 2000's at and above 31.5Hz.

If you had a small room--let's say under 2000^3, I might gamble that you would have enough room gain for the dual PC2000's to satisfy you in the <20Hz frequencies. But, at 3000^3, you are into a room size where I believe that low-frequency SPL is more important. So, I would say that it's still a fairly close call. But, if it were my decision, I would go ahead and get the bigger subwoofer now, with a definite plan to add a second PC4000 at some point in the future.

Financially, the upgrade path from one PC4000 to dual PC4000's may also seem less shocking than the upgrade from dual PC2000's to dual PC4000's. I could be mistaken, but I think you will really enjoy the additional low-frequency extension of the PC4000. And, the new features are pretty cool, too. So, I would go with the PC4000.

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So last night I was talking about the future upgrade path on our subwoofer situation and my wife just came out and asked why I haven't ordered a second PC-2000 yet.

I expected her to not really care that I want to upgrade eventually, but I certainly didn't expect her to basically tell me to upgrade a week later.

So I think I'm going to get a second PC-2000, but then I started thinking what if I just got 1 PC-4000 instead of a second PC-2000? I'm still in my 45 day return shipping window.

So my choices are:

1. Keep the PC-2000 and add a second one.
2. Return the PC-2000 for free and get a PC-4000.

I don't know if the performance of the PC-4000 is so much better that it's worth keeping just 1 of those for a year or two before upgrading to dual PC-4000s.
As I have commented here before once I went to dual PC-2000's I would never consider going back to a single subwoofer setup ever again, even if that single subwoofer was more powerfull than my duals. With this said, my dual PC-2000's really fill my room evenly; however, if SVS ever happens to make a PC-3000 I would upgrade both duals to PC-3000's.
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So last night I was talking about the future upgrade path on our subwoofer situation and my wife just came out and asked why I haven't ordered a second PC-2000 yet.

I expected her to not really care that I want to upgrade eventually, but I certainly didn't expect her to basically tell me to upgrade a week later.

So I think I'm going to get a second PC-2000, but then I started thinking what if I just got 1 PC-4000 instead of a second PC-2000? I'm still in my 45 day return shipping window.

So my choices are:

1. Keep the PC-2000 and add a second one.
2. Return the PC-2000 for free and get a PC-4000.

I don't know if the performance of the PC-4000 is so much better that it's worth keeping just 1 of those for a year or two before upgrading to dual PC-4000s.
If you're even thinking about upgrading already - JUST DO IT NOW! . Please trust me - upgrade now and you'll save money in the long run. Send the PC-2000 back and upgrade to the PC-4000 - and then when funds allow upgrade to a 2nd PC-4000. This way you'll end up with subwoofers that would keep 99.99% of people happy
Output wise a single PC-4000 would be roughly comparable to 2 x PC-2000s, so an eventual system with properly set-up dual PC-4000s would be a massive(!) upgrade

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If you're even thinking about upgrading already - JUST DO IT NOW! . Please trust me - upgrade now and you'll save money in the long run.


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Got it. Depending on room the PC-4000 can be placed in a corner and be less noticeable than a large box so something to consider. No problem mixing PC and PB as they are essentially the same.


Dude, you are pretty brave having one of those subs right next to that many windows


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You know it's true!!! ha
I went from a PB12-NSD- happy for a few years, then I added a PB-1000 - sold the PB-1000 and added a PB-2000 - happy for a few months - sold the NSD and added a second PB-2000 - then added 2 more PB-2000s - then sold the lot and bought dual SubMersives. And am really happy (at the moment)
We don't have the easy SVS upgrade path in Australia that you guys have in the US. If we did I would have went straight to dual PB13 Ultras as soon as I realised that the dual PB-2000s weren't enough for me
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You know it's true!!! ha
I went from a PB12-NSD- happy for a few years, then I added a PB-1000 - sold the PB-1000 and added a PB-2000 - happy for a few months - sold the NSD and added a second PB-2000 - then added 2 more PB-2000s - then sold the lot and bought dual SubMersives. And am really happy (at the moment)
We don't have the easy SVS upgrade path in Australia that you guys have in the US. If we did I would have went straight to dual PB13 Ultras as soon as I realised that the dual PB-2000s weren't enough for me


I went straight from a single PC12 NSD which I had for 7 years to dual PSA V1801s.... skipped all the 12, 13 and 15 inchers. The 15s you know I tried were the dual submersive HPs. So I went straight to the big boys! And now I think should have gone dual V3601s


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Thanks everyone for the suggestions! I think I'm gonna wait another couple weeks and then make my final decision, but I'm leaning toward the single PC-4000 with the potential to add a second down the road. I'm sure if I don't just buy the big one now, it'll nag at me even after I have the second PC-2000.

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Thanks everyone for the suggestions! I think I'm gonna wait another couple weeks and then make my final decision, but I'm leaning toward the single PC-4000 with the potential to add a second down the road. I'm sure if I don't just buy the big one now, it'll nag at me even after I have the second PC-2000.
This, on AVSforums is known as "restraint".
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I have wondered about that. No problems yet. They are all small panes so hopefully not too much flex on any given one.

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Thanks everyone for the suggestions! I think I'm gonna wait another couple weeks and then make my final decision, but I'm leaning toward the single PC-4000 with the potential to add a second down the road. I'm sure if I don't just buy the big one now, it'll nag at me even after I have the second PC-2000.
This would be my suggestion as well. I had a Polk PSW-110, then a Klipsch R-12SW, then an SVS PC-2000, then a PSA S1500, and now an SVS PC13 Ultra. I'm happy with one big subwoofer since I haven't experienced having two. So unless you're able to upgrade two subwoofers at once down the road, I'd stick with one so you don't know what you're missing.
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Hey all! Well it's the long weekend and I'm keen to try out a few things with my dual-PB-200's! Has anyone tried running duals with front left corner and rear left corner? I currently have mine both at the front as I know this is recommended however I have a 3rd subwoofer that is connected separate to my 2 channel turntable setup and I have to say that whilst the sound is a little localised, the bass coming that position is pretty good and can be felt nicely at my seating position. Due to the room layout though I can't do the rear right corner as I have a fire place there. Thinking I might try 1 of my SVS in that rear left and see how they play. Better do some stretches!
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Got a quote today from SVS to upgrade to a Pb16 Ultra from my PB-4000. I think I'm going to do it.

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I went through E-mails with SVS when I was considering upgrading from my dual PC12-Plus's. I got different quotes, for both dual PB4000's and Dual PB16 Ultras, with shipping costs and my trade-in value figured in. SVS made it VERY easy and pleasant

I then purposely took my time with a decision, roughly 2 weeks even though I had pretty much made up my mind by day 2.

Going straight to the PB16, I have no regrets. The 4000 Series should be great, but the "what if" factor of knowing there was 1 model higher would have nagged at me eventually.

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I went through E-mails with SVS when I was considering upgrading from my dual PC12-Plus's. I got different quotes, for both dual PB4000's and Dual PB16 Ultras, with shipping costs and my trade-in value figured in. SVS made it VERY easy and pleasant

I then purposely took my time with a decision, roughly 2 weeks even though I had pretty much made up my mind by day 2.

Going straight to the PB16, I have no regrets. The 4000 Series should be great, but the "what if" factor of knowing there was 1 model higher would have nagged at me eventually.
Exactly. It's that what if factor. That wanting more. I will eventually go duals but right now I just wanted to buy the best I can afford. Plus it will take me months of weakening my wife's resolve and acceptance of a 2nd sub.

Also the PB-16ultra is really not much larger than the PB4000.

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I am completing my family room home theater and could really use some help. I just received 2 PB2000's. They were a little bigger than I thought, but I think I can make it work. In my set up the room is 13 feet wide, and I am placing the subs across from each 9 feet apart. They will be facing each other, so will that be problem. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Hello

I am completing my family room home theater and could really use some help. I just received 2 PB2000's. They were a little bigger than I thought, but I think I can make it work. In my set up the room is 13 feet wide, and I am placing the subs across from each 9 feet apart. They will be facing each other, so will that be problem. Thanks for any help you can provide.
I believe you'll have to reverse the phase on one of them when having them face each other.

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I am completing my family room home theater and could really use some help. I just received 2 PB2000's. They were a little bigger than I thought, but I think I can make it work. In my set up the room is 13 feet wide, and I am placing the subs across from each 9 feet apart. They will be facing each other, so will that be problem. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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I don't think that the direction that the subwoofers face will be an issue. Although the ports also move air, the bass sound waves are emitted omnidirectionally, so which way the subs are facing shouldn't be an issue. The only issue is whether they work well together when placed on the same wall, and that is something that you can only decide by listening to them (and/or by measuring them). Sometimes, moving a sub just a little, or rotating it a little, can make a difference in the way it interacts with the room, so that is something to keep in mind if you are ever in the mood to experiment.

If they are on the same wall, and equidistant from the MLP, Mark Seaton recommends Y-connecting subs into the same sub out on your AVR. That seems to work better, even if you have something like Audyssey XT-32. Just run your calibration and see what happens, but again, which way the subs face shouldn't be a factor at all.

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First...congrats on your dual PB-2000's! There's no doubt you'll be pleased with their performance. Secondly, most people approach subwoofer placement where they" look" best, where furniture is not, where there is left over space, or where there is WAF approval. In most instances, these locations are not where the subwoofer "sounds" best. Each room has characteristics that determine where there are bass peaks (bass is emphasized and maybe overly strong) and bass nulls (bass is de-emphasized and weak or even absent). The goal of most enthusiasts is to maximize bass response at and around the Main Listening Position (MLP). To accomplish this, it is necessary to experiment with sub location(s) utilizing a basic method known as a "sub crawl" or a more objective measuring method utilizing a microphone and specialized software i.e. REW. In answer to your question, there is no way to determine if your initial placement choice will be an issue without at least attempting to do a "sub crawl." The SVS setup instructions provide several placement recommendations/options for you to try. Perhaps one of the suggestions will offer pleasing results. If, however, you're interested in delving into greater detail and understanding relative to subwoofer placement and performance, I high recommend the following read by @mthomas47 . Again, congrats on your new purchase!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...eferences.html
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