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In all my years, dealing with SVS,
While Ed Mullin always provided me, with lots of help


Jack is often forgotten on this thread
He also provided me with lots of help, through out the years
And, I believe to many more too.


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Agreed! Jack is also top class!


Another fantastic CS rep at SVS is Dennis Johnson


A few years ago I had a PB12-NSD and a PB-2000, from seating distance these looked pretty much identical - except my 2012 PB12 had the older style blue SVS badge. This did not sit well with my OCD.I contacted the Australian distributor to see if I could buy one of the newer style black badges and was told they didn't have any. So I contacted SVS directly and asked Dennis if it was possible to buy a Black (or blue) SVS badge just so they would be matching. Without hesitation Dennis offered to send me a couple of new style badges free of charge ( and also with no proof that I even owned an SVS product). They arrived to Australia in under a week. This is perhaps a fairly small gesture, but I was pretty chuffed. Dennis has helped me several other times through the years and has passed some of my questions on to @Ed Mullen for additional input. First class service all the way!

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Agree with Louis...call customer service. As you have stated..."fantastic customer service!!" This is where SVS excels and there is no better source of expertise and experience!
Followed your advice guys. Customer support says yes, you can connect to both RCA and XLR at once.
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Maybe a little. I already have a PB4000 so this is replacing it. Or if I can find room it just might be added to it. In the later case those wife undertones will turn into over the top tones.

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I upgraded from Dual PC12+'s. I seriously considered Dual PB4000's (or PC4000's), but bit the bullet and went straight to Dual PB16's

While I don't regret my decision in the least bit, I'd be very interested to hear your comparison between the two!

SVS was awesome through the whole Upgrade process, BTW. Couldn't have been easier.
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I upgraded from Dual PC12+'s. I seriously considered Dual PB4000's (or PC4000's), but bit the bullet and went straight to Dual PB16's

While I don't regret my decision in the least bit, I'd be very interested to hear your comparison between the two!

SVS was awesome through the whole Upgrade process, BTW. Couldn't have been easier.
Yeah they make it too easy.

As far as comparisons. If I have time I will do a mini review. I just moved into a brand new house so my time is definitely limited right now.

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This Guide is a priceless tool, provided to all of us by mthomas47.
Hundreds of hours were spend to write-it

In all my years, dealing with SVS,
While Ed Mullin always provided me, with lots of help

Jack is often forgotten on this thread
He also provided me with lots of help, through out the years
And, I believe to many more too.

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Thanks, Ray!

Both Ed and Jack have been very helpful to me, as well. I usually rely on Ed as an authoritative source for information, but Jack also knows his stuff. And, Jack helped me recently with a problem with one of my subs. I really appreciated the quick and responsive service. It is sometimes easy to take good customer service for granted, until you deal with a company that doesn't offer it.

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Thanks, Ray!

Both Ed and Jack have been very helpful to me, as well. I usually rely on Ed as an authoritative source for information, but Jack also knows his stuff. And, Jack helped me recently with a problem with one of my subs. I really appreciated the quick and responsive service. It is sometimes easy to take good customer service for granted, until you deal with a company that doesn't offer it.

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Here some pics of the Ultra in my living room. Going to try this spot first. On paper I was thinking it's not much bigger or heavier than the pb 4000. In person it is a different thing. Holy crap this thing is big and heavy. I'm still moving in so nothing is wired yet but will be soon. Also I have the iso feet on this bad boy so it bring the height up significantly.


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I have been unable to find a good picture online of the PB16 in the black oak. This is a good pic.

I got the PB2000 because I have no way to get the PB16 upstairs. I called and asked if I could pay for 'Inside Delivery' but it was a no. I'm gonna do the upgrade and have to ask the neighbors to help.

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A few tweaks to my setup today! After trialing my dual PB-2000's in front left/rear corner I decided the rear left corner is a must. Gave some great feels in the sitting location! Due to the front corner though it did feel like the bass was a bit more felt on the left side of the room. I decided to move the front left to the right wall just inside the front right speaker. This is where the room opens so isn't a corner location. I just re-ran Audyssey and this is feeling like a pretty good solution! I do feel a bit more oomph from the rear left due it being a corner location but the combined they fill the room a lot more evenly and the front is a lot more tuneful. I think I may just need to tweak levels independently first.
I also just installed the SVS Isolation feet! Wife was complaining about the rattles and always asking why it's so loud, she doesn't know loud Just a question on these, it's normal for the sub to feel kind of springy? I think my boards aren't completely even however I noticed the sub is pretty bouncy on them. I followed the recommendation to not over-tighten them and with the screw quite tight the feet still have a bit of move in them.

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Just a question on these, it's normal for the sub to feel kind of springy? I think my boards aren't completely even however I noticed the sub is pretty bouncy on them.

Yes the isolation feet are supposed to be springy. You want to turn up the volume on your subwoofers until they are bouncing up and down.





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Agreed! Jack is also top class!


Another fantastic CS rep at SVS is Dennis Johnson


A few years ago I had a PB12-NSD and a PB-2000, from seating distance these looked pretty much identical - except my 2012 PB12 had the older style blue SVS badge. This did not sit well with my OCD.I contacted the Australian distributor to see if I could buy one of the newer style black badges and was told they didn't have any. So I contacted SVS directly and asked Dennis if it was possible to buy a Black (or blue) SVS badge just so they would be matching. Without hesitation Dennis offered to send me a couple of new style badges free of charge ( and also with no proof that I even owned an SVS product). They arrived to Australia in under a week. This is perhaps a fairly small gesture, but I was pretty chuffed. Dennis has helped me several other times through the years and has passed some of my questions on to @Ed Mullen for additional input. First class service all the way!

Outstanding
Never had the pleasure dealing with Dennis, but also sound like I good person to deal with.

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Thanks, Ray!

Both Ed and Jack have been very helpful to me, as well. I usually rely on Ed as an authoritative source for information, but Jack also knows his stuff. And, Jack helped me recently with a problem with one of my subs. I really appreciated the quick and responsive service. It is sometimes easy to take good customer service for granted, until you deal with a company that doesn't offer it.

Regards,
Mike

Just another short story about their Customer Service.


When, I was shopping for ceiling speakers, the Elevation got my attention.
So I send an e-mail about their sound signature, since I got Aperion Verus Grand for towers, center and the 4 surrounds.


I also ask if there was a way, to use them for ceiling duty.
Both Ed and Jack were involve, during few exchanges.
I was told, that a special block was in development, to secure the speaker so it would not fall down.
Then I ask if it months or year wait, the reply came back as "soon".


A week later, Ed inform me that they receive a small shipment of them, ahead of full production, and if I want to get the Elevation, He would send me two pair free of charge for the blocks.
So I ask how to proceed, since I would be buying them from Sonicboom, a Canadian distributer.
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/

They ask me for my address, and ship them to me in Canada, from the States


That's what I call Outstanding Customer Service


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Thanks mike for all the info, it has been very helpful. What I did last night is raise the gain on both subs to 1 o'clock and raised my trim level on the receiver sw1 was set to -4.5 and sw2 was set to -6.0. I put it the incredible hulk and was extremely happy with the results, it sounded great at least to me. When adjusting sub woofers I am always concerned with making the bass to over powering so that is probably part of my issue. Online it seems quite a few people have posted that they are running the gains on their svs subs at 2' oclock. Which seems kind of high to me, I think I am quite happy with it at 1.

I am very happy with the SB 2000 subs, but I still will probably eventually upgrade to the SB 4000.

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Sorry just catching up on the forum. I too have dual SB2000's and set them about 1:00 / 1:30, with trim -5. I had it at 2:00 before I got duals, so maybe those set at 2:00 have singles. Very happy with my setup especially the room gain, being on a suspended floor.
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Here some pics of the Ultra in my living room. Going to try this spot first. On paper I was thinking it's not much bigger or heavier than the pb 4000. In person it is a different thing. Holy crap this thing is big and heavy. I'm still moving in so nothing is wired yet but will be soon. Also I have the iso feet on this bad boy so it bring the height up significantly.


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I'm going to take a stab here, but your bass is likely to be better if the sub is where that clock dresser is, rather than middle of the room.
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I'm going to take a stab here, but your bass is likely to be better if the sub is where that clock dresser is, rather than middle of the room.
Yeah I was thinking that too. It is pretty powerful where it is but usually in the corner you can get more output. I didnt want it to get boomy which sometime can happen in that location.

You don't think the tower speakers being right in front if the Sub will negatively effect anything, do you?

I will try it out in that position and let you know.

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Boosting sub level after audyssey xt

Audyssey XT on my Denon X1000 set my PC2000 Sub level post calibration at -10.0 DB. Am I supposed to boost the sub level in my receiver after calibration or leave it at -10.0 DB? Should I raise it to -7.0 DB?

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Audyssey XT on my Denon X1000 set my PC2000 Sub level post calibration at -10.0 DB. Am I supposed to boost the sub level in my receiver after calibration or leave it at -10.0 DB? Should I raise it to -7.0 DB?

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Audyssey is known to set sub levels low...feel free to experiment to taste...most people boost trim levels to -6 or -5 dB...in any case refrain from exceeding "0" For more information and to understand why, an excellent read can be found at the following link...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...eferences.html
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Yeah I was thinking that too. It is pretty powerful where it is but usually in the corner you can get more output. I didnt want it to get boomy which sometime can happen in that location.

You don't think the tower speakers being right in front if the Sub will negatively effect anything, do you?

I will try it out in that position and let you know.

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Can I give you a suggestion? If you're concerned with boominess in that location, do this:

1. Run it in 16hz mode with the middle port closed. This way you lower the output in the higher frequencies and smooth out the bass. You clearly don't need the output.
2. Run REW and see if there's a a null or spike, use the PEQ to tame that.
3. If there's still a ton of room gain, lower it in the room gain option.

I just think by a wall, it will be out of the way and no, it will not affect it in anyway if it's pointed at your speakers.

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Audyssey XT on my Denon X1000 set my PC2000 Sub level post calibration at -10.0 DB. Am I supposed to boost the sub level in my receiver after calibration or leave it at -10.0 DB? Should I raise it to -7.0 DB?

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Raise it to -7, it will be fine. Don't go below that (ie -5), if you need more output, increase sub output on the plate amp.

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Can I give you a suggestion? If you're concerned with boominess in that location, do this:

1. Run it in 16hz mode with the middle port closed. This way you lower the output in the higher frequencies and smooth out the bass. You clearly don't need the output.
2. Run REW and see if there's a a null or spike, use the PEQ to tame that.
3. If there's still a ton of room gain, lower it in the room gain option.

I just think by a wall, it will be out of the way and no, it will not affect it in anyway if it's pointed at your speakers.
You mean 13hz mode .

Yeah the more I think of it the more I like this location. It nice to have a built in DSP so I can tune it. I do have one of those custom Calibrated UMIC-1 to use with REW. Just need to learn how to use it. I have that thread bookmarked.

Just moved into new house so It will be a few months before I have enough spare time to play with the DSP though. You know priorities like unpacking.

So far the Pb16 Ultra hits hard.. More than enough for me. Ended up with auto eq setting on the AV at - 7.5db bumped it manually up to - 4db. This is with the 16ultra's volume at - 5db.
Litterally will shake the room couch and punch you in the chest. Seems to do it effortlessly too.

Musically so far it bends in with my system seamlessly.

My initial impressions between the PB4000 and PB-16ultra. Very simular subwoofer. Same sound quality. I think the 4000 blended in slightly better musically with my tower's but I think that more an issue with my RP-260f's than the sub. When I eventually upgrade to the Rf-7 III's I expect it to be better.

Anyway for movies the Ultra defiantly seems to put out the same ground shaking accurate bass as the 4000 series. Definitely seems to do it with less effort and I feel I have allot more power on tap to use if I want it.


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Moved it to the corner. Ran auto EQ on my Rx-A1060 and got a 1.5bd increase at the same volume. {auto EQ) bumped it from - 7.5db to =9db.




UPDATE: I ran the auto EQ sweeps again and it was setting the sub at the max adjustment of - 10db. That is with the sub at - 5db. I had to move the sub volume all the down to - 12db to get the equivalent output setting in auto EQ that it was getting in the other location.

Lastly. I replayed 2016 Atmos test disc and the tactile response/output of the sub in the corner is ridiculous.

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Lastly. I replayed 2016 Atmos test disc and the tactile response/output of the sub in the corner is ridiculous.
Glad it worked out. I had a feeling that would be the case, hence I suggested the corner.

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Moved it to the corner. Ran auto EQ on my Rx-A1060 and got a 1.5bd increase at the same volume. {auto EQ) bumped it from - 7.5db to =9db.




UPDATE: I ran the auto EQ sweeps again and it was setting the sub at the max adjustment of - 10db. That is with the sub at - 5db. I had to move the sub volume all the down to - 12db to get the equivalent output setting in auto EQ that it was getting in the other location.

Lastly. I replayed 2016 Atmos test disc and the tactile response/output of the sub in the corner is ridiculous.
I have that same TV stand! I like that thing a lot

My PB16's are about the same settings. FYI I have one sub fully corner-loaded similar to yours (the "strong" sub). The other sub is in a partial corner which opens to another room......so more or less only receives benefit from the wall (the "weak" sub).

The "weak" sub I set at -10dB, the "strong" sub I set at -14dB. This returned near-max -10db and -10.5dB settings in Audyssey, respectively.

After calibration, I added back in 6dB trotal. 5dB within Audyssey, and 1dB to each sub (sub amps are now at -9dB and -13dB). If I wanted to add more from here, I'd do it all from the sub amps and not go below the -5 I'm at in Audyssey presently.
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I have that same TV stand! I like that thing a lot

My PB16's are about the same settings. FYI I have one sub fully corner-loaded similar to yours (the "strong" sub). The other sub is in a partial corner which opens to another room......so more or less only receives benefit from the wall (the "weak" sub).

The "weak" sub I set at -10dB, the "strong" sub I set at -14dB. This returned near-max -10db and -10.5dB settings in Audyssey, respectively.

After calibration, I added back in 6dB trotal. 5dB within Audyssey, and 1dB to each sub (sub amps are now at -9dB and -13dB). If I wanted to add more from here, I'd do it all from the sub amps and not go below the -5 I'm at in Audyssey presently.
Yeah I ended up running the sub at -5db on the Ypao. And -10 dB on the Ultra. This means I'm running 4-5db hot. I haven't played around with music yet but I'll setup a preset for that and most likely bump the sub volume up 4-5 dB.

I thought about putting the PB4000, that I have boxed up ready to go back to SVS, in the opposite corner. But to be honest I'm real happy with the output and SQ of just the one PB Ultra. If the room aesthetics and WAF were not a factor it would be a no brainer since I already have it and it is sitting in the box just begging to be let out.

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Hi guys,

I recently did a lot of tweaking with my SVS setup with the PC 13 ULTRA cylinder sub.

I am noticing that the grill on the top of the PC 13 Ultra has been rattling a bit when the sub hits pretty hard. (AVR at -5 and sub at -8).

Has anyone found a remedy to the grill on the cylinder sub rattling?

Also, on a sub like this, I know i will get the best bass extension with one port plugged and setting the sub at 16hz, but is it better than having all ports open for movies and setting it at 20hz?

How many movies will dip below the 20hz all ports open?

This room is just used for movies only and not any music by the way.

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Hi guys,

I recently did a lot of tweaking with my SVS setup with the PC 13 ULTRA cylinder sub.

I am noticing that the grill on the top of the PC 13 Ultra has been rattling a bit when the sub hits pretty hard. (AVR at -5 and sub at -8).

Has anyone found a remedy to the grill on the cylinder sub rattling?

Also, on a sub like this, I know i will get the best bass extension with one port plugged and setting the sub at 16hz, but is it better than having all ports open for movies and setting it at 20hz?

How many movies will dip below the 20hz all ports open?

This room is just used for movies only and not any music by the way.

Thanks a lot guys!
Mine doesn't rattle, it almost flew off once during youtube bass testing. Either take it off or put a little duct tape around the rim so it fits tighter.

I run my 12+ in 16hz mode. I don't think I can tell a difference between 16 and 20hz modes but I don't run out of headroom with it in 16hz mode so that's where I leave it.

If you are not running out of headroom in 16hz mode you can just leave it there unless you think it just sounds better in 20hz mode. My room is not very big either, so I get a fair amount of room gain that probably extends my usable output to below 15hz a little.
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Mine doesn't rattle, it almost flew off once during youtube bass testing. Either take it off or put a little duct tape around the rim so it fits tighter.

I run my 12+ in 16hz mode. I don't think I can tell a difference between 16 and 20hz modes but I don't run out of headroom with it in 16hz mode so that's where I leave it.

If you are not running out of headroom in 16hz mode you can just leave it there unless you think it just sounds better in 20hz mode. My room is not very big either, so I get a fair amount of room gain that probably extends my usable output to below 15hz a little.
Thanks! Does it matter which port you plug then or the way that the sub is turned towards the wall? I will usually turn it so that the DSP dial is facing towards me to adjust easier.

I currently have the port plugged that is up against the wall.

I think 16hz sounds good to me in the small room, but that speaker grill is driving me nuts.. Maybe I will just take it off or put some duct tape around it. I'm assuming your grill at least vibrates some if you put your hand on it while bass is playing right? I notice the sound is a bit better if I put my hand over it. Idk, maybe I need to get rid of the grill, haha..

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Thanks! Does it matter which port you plug then or the way that the sub is turned towards the wall? I will usually turn it so that the DSP dial is facing towards me to adjust easier.

I currently have the port plugged that is up against the wall.

I think 16hz sounds good to me in the small room, but that speaker grill is driving me nuts.. Maybe I will just take it off or put some duct tape around it. I'm assuming your grill at least vibrates some if you put your hand on it while bass is playing right? I notice the sound is a bit better if I put my hand over it. Idk, maybe I need to get rid of the grill, haha..
I have my sub facing the same direction so I can easily access the controls and see when it powers on and off. I'm sure the grill on my sub vibrates but I can't hear it. I don't even know which port I plugged. Just picked one I guess.

I might try it without the grill on. It's not like it keep dust out anyway.

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I have my sub facing the same direction so I can easily access the controls and see when it powers on and off. I'm sure the grill on my sub vibrates but I can't hear it. I don't even know which port I plugged. Just picked one I guess.

I might try it without the grill on. It's not like it keep dust out anyway.
Awesome so I guess the direction of the sub doesn't matter since it is a bottom driver anyways. I'm also going to try it with the grill on and off . It doesn't look as good with the grill off, but if it is an annoyance during movies then I might take it off as well and then probably take out the big sytrofoam pieces to make it look cleaner (the ones that push up on the grill).

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Thanks! Does it matter which port you plug then or the way that the sub is turned towards the wall? I will usually turn it so that the DSP dial is facing towards me to adjust easier.

I currently have the port plugged that is up against the wall.

I think 16hz sounds good to me in the small room, but that speaker grill is driving me nuts.. Maybe I will just take it off or put some duct tape around it. I'm assuming your grill at least vibrates some if you put your hand on it while bass is playing right? I notice the sound is a bit better if I put my hand over it. Idk, maybe I need to get rid of the grill, haha..
I never thought about which port to plug. Good question, as I use the ceneter port on my PB13 Ultra. Hope your feeling better, I sure enjoyed all the Blurays I purchased from you last year.
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