Originally Posted by sid369
Hi, I am new to HT and set everything up but got an emotiva basx s8 sub, I am returning it since its withing the return period and thinking of replacing it with the SVS pb1000, I think with svs getting great customer service reviews and their products being good as well, I was thinking I can always upgrade by the end of the year to the pb2000 if needed as they have a great upgrade policy from what I have read, is there anything in this analysis that I am missing. My room is 20x20 with 8 feet ceiling and their subwoofer match tool recommended the pb1000 and it is in my budget.
I was chatting with a SVS rep and I told him if I would get the chest punch feeling from the PB1000, he asked what volume do I listen to. I told him between -35db and -45db and he said to feel the chest punch feeling, you have to listen at higher master volumes and audyssey dyn eq on helps.
I do have my Dyn eq (reference) and dynamic vol on (light) and I like the sound. But if I listen at those volumes is it even worthwhile to upgrade or just stick to the emotiva basx s8, since I can hear bass from this subwoofer, juts dont feel the chest punch feeling.
Just curious to hear from the owners here.
I think that if you move from your current subwoofer to a PB1000, you will start to experience bass in a different way than you are currently experiencing it. That experience will take another incremental step (although not quite as large a step) when you move from a PB1000 to a PB2000. So, I definitely think that you will benefit from upgrading to a PB1000. This is one of those times where we don't don't know what we don't know. When you have a better subwoofer, you will see what I mean.
Different people experience tactile sensations in different ways. Some people are more susceptible to feeling chest punch than others. FWIW, I can feel light sensations of chest punch at low volume levels. Another factor is the amount of bass boost we may be adding. Your normal listening level is unusually low, but you are augmenting your bass with DEQ. DEQ adds up to 2.2db of bass boost for every -5db under 0.0 MV. So, at a listening level of -40, DEQ could add up to ~18db of bass at some frequencies.
If I were you, I would do two things. First, I would buy a better subwoofer. If the PB1000 is what you can afford right now, then I would start with that. Perhaps later you will be able to upgrade to the PB2000 you mentioned. The second thing I would do, once you have the new subwoofer and have recalibrated with Audyssey, is to turn off Dynamic Volume and increase your master volume level by several decibels.
Dynamic Volume can be helpful in circumstances where there are sleeping children you don't want to disturb, or something along that line. But, DV maintains a more constant volume by reducing the difference between the softer sounds and the louder ones. It compresses everything into the middle in order to create more of an average sound level. When that happens, though, you lose some of the dynamic content--the contrast between soft and loud. And, that detracts from what we hear and feel. For instance, if you want to feel more chest punch, that chest punch will accompany the sudden dynamic (louder) bass sounds in movies and in music, which DV is trying to eliminate.
We feel chest punch with a gunshot, or from the percussive strike of a bass drum, or some similar sudden bass sound. Having a better subwoofer, which is capable of playing a better frequency range with more SPL, and eliminating the compression which accompanies Dynamic Volume, will enable you to feel more of that chest punch sensation that you want. And, with a better subwoofer, you will also be able to experience low-frequency content in a way that you never have before. That is part of the "don't know what we don't know" that I referred to earlier.
I think that you will enjoy having a better subwoofer, even if your overall listening levels are never very high.