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I wouldn't do it if I were you. You can contact SVS directly for more information on why it wouldn't be a good idea, but I will try to hit a couple of the highlights. To answer your first question, I believe that the port sizes are different (3" for the smaller sub, and 3.5" for the PB4000). But, the real issue is not the incompatibility of the port sizes, it is the incompatibility of the DSP (digital signal processing) which controls the subwoofer's operation.

The PB1000 was only designed to be a ported subwoofer, and its DSP controls the SPL that it tries to achieve at specific frequencies. It is designed to be more powerful at low-frequencies than a comparable sealed subwoofer would be. If you plug the port, without also being able to change the DSP which controls its operation, the subwoofer will probably not sound very good, and you may damage it, especially if you try to boost the volume much.

Subwoofers such as the PB4000, are designed to operate in more than one port mode. And, there is built-in DSP that you can change when you go from one port mode to another. That DSP is already programmed into the sub to make it possible to switch modes when port plugs are added or removed. But, it isn't just a matter of plugging the port with something, whether it is an SVS foam plug of the correct size, or something else.

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Hmm okay. I was just curious more than anything. I know the port size is the same when I compared the two subs on the SVS website. I'm still considering buying the SB-1000 to A/B sound test it with my PB-1000. I have a feeling I might like the sealed version more. Then I'd buy a second one to have dual. My room is only a 12'x13' size bedroom in an apartment. I do like the PB-1000 but only having one does offset the bass to one side a bit.
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I got my pb1000, how do I set it up. Right now I have just placed it in the front in the corner. I will rerun audyssey should I leave the gain at 12 0clock or something else. Should the master volume be at 0?

Once done do I turn deq and dyn vol on? Should I put the crossover of th bass at 120 default or 80?
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Replacing a Definitive Technology BP-8080 System, I finally pulled the trigger on the remainder of my all SVS loudspeaker home theater setup. In addition to four of the ceiling mounted Prime Elevation Atmos speakers and dual SB16-Ultra subs I currently have, I will now add to them a pair of the Ultra Towers, Ultra Center Channel and four Ultra Surrounds all in Piano Gloss finish. They should be here and in operation by this time next week. With slightly under 1700 cubic feet of enclosed space to work with, the room should have no excuse to be fully pressurized.

Your setup will look great when you finish adding the other speakers. I really like the finish of the SVS piano black speakers. I have 2 SVS subs in my main HT, and in my basement room have some prime towers and another SVS sub and they look really nice. They don't sound too bad either
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I got my pb1000, how do I set it up. Right now I have just placed it in the front in the corner. I will rerun audyssey should I leave the gain at 12 0clock or something else. Should the master volume be at 0?

Once done do I turn deq and dyn vol on? Should I put the crossover of th bass at 120 default or 80?
Have you had the opportunity to review the thread linked below? @mthomas47 post will answer all your questions and beyond. It's a must read for all enthusiasts...novices and experts alike.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...eferences.html
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Have you had the opportunity to review the thread linked below? @mthomas47 post will answer all your questions and beyond. It's a must read for all enthusiasts...novices and experts alike.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...eferences.html

Hi Gene,


Thank you for the compliment about my Guide! I don't know if it's a must read, but it's certainly a long read. It seems to grow a little more almost every week.


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Thanks for the link and it packed with information. I did not read the whole thing too lazy. Wish there was a Reddit style summary TLDR;
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Your setup will look great when you finish adding the other speakers. I really like the finish of the SVS piano black speakers. I have 2 SVS subs in my main HT, and in my basement room have some prime towers and another SVS sub and they look really nice. They don't sound too bad either
I agree. Just spoke yesterday with R+L Carriers, SVS's transport company, to schedule delivery on Thursday. Sending one pallet weighing in at 300 lbs some 2500 miles can't be cheap yet it's once again all part of SVS's great customer service. I am sure I will be more than pleased with the final result.
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Hello,
I will be purchasing an open box special pb-2000 from IQ entertainment. Anyone had experience with them? Also, any suggestions on how to calibrate dual pb-2000's? My AVR doesn't have any sort of room eq, so it's all up to me. Thank you, and I look forward to your responses.


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Thanks for the link and it packed with information. I did not read the whole thing too lazy. Wish there was a Reddit style summary TLDR;

Hi,

I have added some Cliff Notes tips to the first post of that thread. Perhaps those abbreviated tips will help.

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I will be purchasing an open box special pb-2000 from IQ entertainment. Anyone had experience with them?

IQ hosted a launch party for the SVS PB-4000. I bought an open-box Denon 4300 from them and it was factory sealed never opened. I suspect they sell new items as open-box kind of like a sale. However, you will not be able to do the 1 year upgrade, you have to purchase direct from SVS.

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Today I invited two audio friends over today to help me inbox and to have some fun comparing Dual SB-16’s to Dual PB-16’s. Frank has a really good ear for audio and can express what he hears better than I can. Here are his thoughts on the PB-16’s.



“Bass was always clean, never bottomed out, generally pretty tight (though not snappy). Well-built, awesome for HT. No port noise complaints (at least that we're discernable over the mains) PB-16 were absolutely no comparison to the SB-16s. The SBs were OK, but that's it. The PB-- I've heard higher SPL, but it was like a well-composed earthquake”.


Needless to say, the Dual PB-16’s were simply “Controlled Violence”.


We did manage to remove my 4 Klipsch RSW-15’s from behind my 150” screen and replace them with the PB-16’s. The did move my screen quite a bit but was only noticeable when the lights were on.


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Today I invited two audio friends over today to help me inbox and to have some fun comparing Dual SB-16’s to Dual PB-16’s. Frank has a really good ear for audio and can express what he hears better than I can. Here are his thoughts on the PB-16’s.



“Bass was always clean, never bottomed out, generally pretty tight (though not snappy). Well-built, awesome for HT. No port noise complaints (at least that we're discernable over the mains) PB-16 were absolutely no comparison to the SB-16s. The SBs were OK, but that's it. The PB-- I've heard higher SPL, but it was like a well-composed earthquake”.


Needless to say, the Dual PB-16’s were simply “Controlled Violence”.


We did manage to remove my 4 Klipsch RSW-15’s from behind my 150” screen and replace them with the PB-16’s. The did move my screen quite a bit but was only noticeable when the lights were on.


So far...color me impressed!


Wow, didn't realize the SB-16's would look quite so diminutive next to the PB's! I have dual PB-16's myself, and holy crap, getting them behind your screen and up on your (I think) hip-height shelf took QUITE a bit of doing, I'm sure.

You need to search out sub-20hz content now, that's where they shine Blade Runner 2049, "9", The Incredible Hulk (2008), War of the Worlds, Tron Legacy, Mad Max Fury Road, Hellboy II, etc.

Those PB's are rated to 13hz, make them work for it
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That is INCREDIBLE! The SB’s look tiny next to those PB’s.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m starting to appreciate the presence of large subs in my room. It just looks like they mean business. Even better when they can back it up with bone crushing bass!
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Wow, didn't realize the SB-16's would look quite so diminutive next to the PB's! I have dual PB-16's myself, and holy crap, getting them behind your screen and up on your (I think) hip-height shelf took QUITE a bit of doing, I'm sure.

You need to search out sub-20hz content now, that's where they shine Blade Runner 2049, "9", The Incredible Hulk (2008), War of the Worlds, Tron Legacy, Mad Max Fury Road, Hellboy II, etc.

Those PB's are rated to 13hz, make them work for it
holy crap, you could cut the pb in half, and hide 2 sb boxes inside i think !
ut ooo, i might be in trouble.
i just sent back a sb-4000 and have a pb -4000 on the way.
i told my better half, it was only a tad bigger, with a few little holes in it !
oops, just realized those are the 16s.
but still.......
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holy crap, you could cut the pb in half, and hide 2 sb boxes inside i think !
ut ooo, i might be in trouble.
i just sent back a sb-4000 and have a pb -4000 on the way.
i told my better half, it was only a tad bigger, with a few little holes in it !
oops, just realized those are the 16s.
but still.......
You are gonna have some splainin' to do. The PB-4000 is only about 1" smaller in each dimension than the PB16. The PB-4000 has about twice the volume of the SB-4000.
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If my calculations are correct, the PB16 is about 114% larger than the SB16, so over double. Both models look really nice in that photo.
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I have to say I am very impressed by the size of the SB. It looks like it can easily disappear into the background.

If you have small room like 10x12 or something, those SBs would make killer subs.

I've got a PC 13 Ultra and a PC 12 NSD.
But my room is 16x 22 with another 10x 20 opening. Ideally, I would love to have 4x SB ultras.

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After only a few days with the PB16's, man, I'm blown away (pun intended). I have always enjoyed my 4 Klipsch RSW-15's. They pressurize my room but they lose authority below 30Hz and drop like a rock at 20Hz. That is not the case with the Dual PB16's.

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You are gonna have some splainin' to do. The PB-4000 is only about 1" smaller in each dimension than the PB16. The PB-4000 has about twice the volume of the SB-4000.
yeah, im working on a good story now
you say twice the volume in size, or sound ?
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After only a few days with the PB16's, man, I'm blown away (pun intended). I have always enjoyed my 4 Klipsch RSW-15's. They pressurize my room but they lose authority below 30Hz and drop like a rock at 20Hz. That is not the case with the Dual PB16's.

I shared a lot of my thoughts about them in this video.

Another great review and video Mike! But then again, I’m biased!

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After only a few days with the PB16's, man, I'm blown away (pun intended). I have always enjoyed my 4 Klipsch RSW-15's. They pressurize my room but they lose authority below 30Hz and drop like a rock at 20Hz. That is not the case with the Dual PB16's.

I shared a lot of my thoughts about them in this video.


https://youtu.be/MrFeBEXZTss

Good review, although like Gene, I'm biased, too!

One tip I might give you with respect to the SB16's, you compared in your video, is to keep the AVR trim levels well in the negative range. That is especially important at master volume levels of -10 and above. Instead of having the sub gain at -10 and the AVR trim level at 0.0, I believe that the SB16's would have struggled less if those numbers had been reversed. Or, perhaps even split down the middle at -5 each.

As master volumes climb toward Reference, it becomes more important to make sure that as much of the voltage as possible is coming from the subwoofer amp and not from the AVR. That would also be the case with the PB16's, even though they are inherently much more powerful than the SB16's. As a general rule, trying to keep the AVR trims at -5 or less (lower might be better) would help to prevent clipping and other potential audio issues.

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Good review, although like Gene, I'm biased, too!

One tip I might give you with respect to the SB16's, you compared in your video, is to keep the AVR trim levels well in the negative range. That is especially important at master volume levels of -10 and above. Instead of having the sub gain at -10 and the AVR trim level at 0.0, I believe that the SB16's would have struggled less if those numbers had been reversed. Or, perhaps even split down the middle at -5 each.

As master volumes climb toward Reference, it becomes more important to make sure that as much of the voltage as possible is coming from the subwoofer amp and not from the AVR. That would also be the case with the PB16's, even though they are inherently much more powerful than the SB16's. As a general rule, trying to keep the AVR trims at -5 or less (lower might be better) would help to prevent clipping and other potential audio issues.

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I believe Ed said that same thing is a post a while back. I think he recommended running the gain on the sub as high as possible.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'll back the gain on the subs to -5db and increase the gain on the sub to +5db. I just assumed that would not leave much headroom on the sub amp.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'll back the gain on the subs to -5db and increase the gain on the sub to +5db. I just assumed that would not leave much headroom on the sub amp.
Just for reference, I run my pair at -5.5db in my Marantz, and the volume on my sub amps at -9 and -13db. Those numbers are a combined 6db hotter than the Audyssey calibration. My room is far from optimal (bordering on terrible, actually), your subs will likely be much more symmetrical.

I typically watch movies at -6MV, and TV at -12MV. So I have headroom to spare on both the receiver MV and the sub amps, but on the rare occasion I turn it up louder I do so grudgingly......my eye is toward the longevity of my components.

*edit* Oh yeah, and I arrived at my current settings after reading Mike's guide and taking his suggestions

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I believe Ed said that same thing is a post a while back. I think he recommended running the gain on the sub as high as possible.
Ed recommended running the gain on the high - only when you feel you don't have enough to pressurise the room. In that case keeping AVR trim to below -5 and cranking up the sub as high as it goes is ideal. If you don't need the output, keeping both the AVR trim below -5 and Sub in the minus is the way to go.
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The delivery truck has arrived, the boxes opened and the speakers are all in place and dialed in. I now have an all SVS Ultra Tower setup for my Atmos 7.2.4 installation. Not to let any grass grow under my feet as I have my eyes fixed on adding Auro 3D 13.1 via the newly released Denon X8500H and eight more SVS Prime Elevations.

The first movie to test out was the new 4K Blu ray, the 20th Anniversary of Saving Private Ryan. The first 27 minutes did not disappoint. My already set up dual SVS SB16-Ultras blended in effortlessly, even more so than when my Def Tech towers were there. It even meets the Hound's Helm's approval (see last pic).

I am now wavering on replacing the sealed subs with their ported counterparts but in a less than 1700 cubic foot enclosed room, that may be overkill. At any rate, somebody please talk me out of that. I have only had the SB16s for seven months and I have no complaints. it's just that you never know what you may be leaving on the table.

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I am now wavering on replacing the sealed subs with their ported counterparts but in a less than 1700 cubic foot enclosed room, that may be overkill. At any rate, somebody please talk me out of that. I have only had the SB16s for seven months and I have no complaints. it's just that you never know what you may be leaving on the table.

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If there are no budget constraints, not many will talk you out of the PB-16's...especially for LFE blockbuster action movies...even for your space! If you missed it, you have only to listen to the SB16/PB16 review/impressions by @youthman several posts back.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post56188164
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Hi guys,

I recently did a lot of tweaking with my SVS setup with the PC 13 ULTRA cylinder sub.

I am noticing that the grill on the top of the PC 13 Ultra has been rattling a bit when the sub hits pretty hard. (AVR at -5 and sub at -8).

Has anyone found a remedy to the grill on the cylinder sub rattling?

Also, on a sub like this, I know i will get the best bass extension with one port plugged and setting the sub at 16hz, but is it better than having all ports open for movies and setting it at 20hz?

How many movies will dip below the 20hz all ports open?

This room is just used for movies only and not any music by the way.

Thanks a lot guys!
If your grille is rattling, we can replace it - just contact SVS CS at [email protected].

If you decide to plug a port - leave enough of the port plug sticking out such that it contacts the grille and creates some additional damping.
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