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I would contact SVS and see what a replacement driver would cost.
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I did and they want 250 for a driver. It’s not worth spending that on a old sub
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As Ed pointed out this is the same PEQ that's pre-programmed in the Music preset of the 4000 and 16 series. I'm going to experiment but along the lines of your experience I do wonder how this will do for movies as well. As has often been discussed SVS tends to excel at the very low end with some trade off on the mid bass compared to some other manufacturers. Maybe this PEQ setting would also be useful for movies to add a little extra chest slam. Will have to play with it on my PC-4000s. So easy with the app. Any recommended chest slam movie scenes to help A/B settings?
There’s still a slight null at my LP, but if I was able to move forward about a foot or two, it would help out with that. My arrangement prevents that right now though. Inputting the PEQ settings that Ed gave me did help give it that concussive feeling during explosions and heavy gunfire scenes. A great demo for that was the battle scenes in 13 Hours: Secret Soldiers of Benghazi (Dolby TrueHD). It sounded awesome. Transformers The Last Knight, and Ready Player One was excellent as well. My next choice is to go back and rewatch Hacksaw Ridge.

Speaking of Dolby TrueHD. It is by far the superior audio mix...IMO.
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That actually made me laugh!

Question for everyone. I've been thinking about this. Am I correct in my thinking? Is this normal what I experienced? Cause now I'm wondering if the 2nd sub isn't wired up backwards. Could that be the issue and by changing the phase made them work the way they should? I don't really wanna take it apart to check.

What I don't really understand about room modes, and how subs interact, would fill volumes. But, I would not assume that either subwoofer is wired incorrectly. I do know that subwoofers on opposing walls can frequently cancel each other at some frequencies, and that adjusting the phase on one subwoofer (essentially reversing polarity if you set one at 180 and the other at 0) can allow them to reinforce each other properly. I can't see why subs on the same wall, especially if they are near corners (which means some engagement with opposing walls) couldn't benefit from doing the same thing. I think that the proof is in the pudding--what you did worked. Incidentally, the colliding penguins made me laugh, too.



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As Ed pointed out this is the same PEQ that's pre-programmed in the Music preset of the 4000 and 16 series. I'm going to experiment but along the lines of your experience I do wonder how this will do for movies as well. As has often been discussed SVS tends to excel at the very low end with some trade off on the mid bass compared to some other manufacturers. Maybe this PEQ setting would also be useful for movies to add a little extra chest slam. Will have to play with it on my PC-4000s. So easy with the app. Any recommended chest slam movie scenes to help A/B settings?

I have been playing with some things in my subwoofer settings lately, and I decided to try the music setting for my rear nearfield subwoofer. I have only done it for one movie so far, but I really liked the additional mid-bass kick it gave me. I watched The Great Wall again last night and the drum scenes were even better. Any gunshot sequences, such as in one of the John Wick movies should show-off the mid-bass and the resulting chest punch.

I think that using the PEQ this way is mainly a question of headroom. If you have ample headroom in your subwoofers, then the small addition at ~63Hz won't affect your low-frequency response at all. It will just slightly enhance the mid-bass in relation to the low-bass. But, if you are right on the edge of having enough low-frequency bass, then the slight increase at 63Hz might not be worth it. So far, I like using the Music Mode on my nearfield sub, and over time, I may expand it to include my other subs as well.

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I do know that subwoofers on opposing walls can frequently cancel each other at some frequencies, and that adjusting the phase on one subwoofer (essentially reversing polarity if you set one at 180 and the other at 0) can allow them to reinforce each other properly.

YEP! Exactly my experience - big dip around 50Hz in my system until I set the phase of one of them to 180. REALLY improved performance, and brought the system more to life, filled in the majority of that dippy region....
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I have been playing with some things in my subwoofer settings lately, and I decided to try the music setting for my rear nearfield subwoofer. I have only done it for one movie so far, but I really liked the additional mid-bass kick it gave me. I watched The Great Wall again last night and the drum scenes were even better. Any gunshot sequences, such as in one of the John Wick movies should show-off the mid-bass and the resulting chest punch.

I think that using the PEQ this way is mainly a question of headroom. If you have ample headroom in your subwoofers, then the small addition at ~63Hz won't affect your low-frequency response at all. It will just slightly enhance the mid-bass in relation to the low-bass. But, if you are right on the edge of having enough low-frequency bass, then the slight increase at 63Hz might not be worth it. So far, I like using the Music Mode on my nearfield sub, and over time, I may expand it to include my other subs as well.

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I put it in music mode tonight while watching Mission Impossible 3 (recently received UHD disc) and while not necessarily a reference bass movie plenty of LFE with gunshots and explosions. I can already tell I like the boost centered at 63Hz. I'm keeping it this way for now. I don't think the 3+ db is going to cause me any headroom issues at my listening levels.
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That actually made me laugh!

Question for everyone. I've been thinking about this. Am I correct in my thinking? Is this normal what I experienced? Cause now I'm wondering if the 2nd sub isn't wired up backwards. Could that be the issue and by changing the phase made them work the way they should? I don't really wanna take it apart to check.

Yes this a potential possibility, more then likely it is the room.
But still the potential exist


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I have a older 12” ported svs sub and I need a new driver. The old one got cut by a cat. Before I got it!
Also I don’t think it’s the right driver anyway
I’m all about buying used as I’m disabled and funds are tight for my audio addiction. Lol
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As you can see it’s pretty bad. I did glue it back and it’s been working but not to my liking. Plus I don’t think it’s the right driver in the first place

Sorry, this is not cause by a Cat.
If it was, the cut would have been also into the center piece of the driver, not stop quickly without any sign!


I had 3 cats, and now down to 2, since I lost my favorite one, over 3 years ago.
None of my speakers and subs, ever had a grill on them.


The way the crack is, is abuse by the previous owner, or a manufacture defect.
And no, glue will not work for something like this.
Contact SVS for a replacement woofer, they are very good to deal with.


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Gee I guess I was watching some mythical creature clawing my sub. It started as a small rip from my 16lbs cats claw. And as I used it more and more the small rip turned into a large rip
But like I said. I was really watching a mythical creature and not my
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Gee I guess I was watching some mythical creature clawing my sub. It started as a small rip from my 16lbs cats claw. And as I used it more and more the small rip turned into a large rip
But like I said. I was really watching a mythical creature and not my

Well, cats are certainly mystical creatures, even if they aren't mythical ones. But, I think that Ray's essential point was valid. That rip is only going to get worse as you continue to use the subwoofer. And, it's already affecting the performance of the subwoofer, even if it's not audible. The cone of the subwoofer has to move forward and backward, pushing air ahead of it. As it's structural integrity becomes compromised, it can no longer be effective in doing that. So, it may seem okay at low volumes and higher frequencies, but it won't do well at higher volumes and low frequencies.

You may be right that it isn't worth $250 to repair it, but unfortunately I don't think you will get much performance from it as it is. I'll bet you wish that your cat had been mythical that day.

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My mother thinks cats are psychic, but she lived a very wild life and has suffered some serious burnout. If shes right tho, maybe the cat could sense your desire to upgrade and was trying to help you out! 😄
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I know this has been mentioned before but does anyone know how to get the poll removed from this thread? It should never have been put there in the first place.
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Maybe if someone posts it in the operations forum somebody could take a look at it.
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Allow me to vent my disappoinment a little bit, guys. It seems it's gonna take a little longer to join the SVS club. Amazon pushed back my PB-1000 for another two months, for a grand total of five months since I placed my order. This is going to be a serious test for my patience, but that's the stuff we gotta do in our quest for better bass, right?

Well, at least I'll have a good excuse to rewatch my whole collection...which is rapidly growing. Maybe I should wait, lol.
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Allow me to vent my disappoinment a little bit, guys. It seems it's gonna take a little longer to join the SVS club. Amazon pushed back my PB-1000 for another two months, for a grand total of five months since I placed my order. This is going to be a serious test for my patience, but that's the stuff we gotta do in our quest for better bass, right?

Well, at least I'll have a good excuse to rewatch my whole collection...which is rapidly growing. Maybe I should wait, lol.
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I love my SVS subs, but no way would I wait 5 months for them.
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Allow me to vent my disappoinment a little bit, guys. It seems it's gonna take a little longer to join the SVS club. Amazon pushed back my PB-1000 for another two months, for a grand total of five months since I placed my order. This is going to be a serious test for my patience, but that's the stuff we gotta do in our quest for better bass, right?

Well, at least I'll have a good excuse to rewatch my whole collection...which is rapidly growing. Maybe I should wait, lol.
Really?

I'm in Canada and ordered two PB-1000's last month and they were on my door step in 3 days.

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I just searched Amazon and they claim they have 3 available via prime.
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Guys. I’m so sorry that my post turned into what it did.
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Guys. I’m so sorry that my post turned into what it did.
I thought it was funny. And I can see how a small hole/scratch to end up in a longer tear.
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I'm in Canada and ordered two PB-1000's last month and they were on my door step in 3 days.
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I just searched Amazon and they claim they have 3 available via prime.

I should have specified I ordered from Amazon Mexico. As for the long wait, I'm not sure why. I'm holding on to it because it's, literally the best deal I can get for it and is also my best option. Importing it directly through other sources would considerably increase the cost.

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Gee I guess I was watching some mythical creature clawing my sub. It started as a small rip from my 16lbs cats claw. And as I used it more and more the small rip turned into a large rip
But like I said. I was really watching a mythical creature and not my

Then I am confuse


From your original post "I have a older 12” ported svs sub and I need a new driver. The old one got cut by a cat. Before I got it! "


Telling me the way I read this, someone use the excuse of a cat before you got the sub from him/her.
Either way, all good from this end, and yes they can be mythical creature


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I'm in need of some help. Got my 13u's today and placed them exactly where my 12 plus's were but they don't hit nearly as hard. I assume I did something wrong in the setup, but there isn't much to mess up with these things. The Curve from my REW graph is almost identical to the 12 plus one i took before i sent them back, yet the 13U's are playing at a significantly lower SPL. The drivers are barely moving when i turn it up compared to the 12 plus.

I have an RCA plugged into the right (low level input) with the switch set to "normal" on the 13u's.

Also note that this graph is supposed to be referenced to 75 db (although not quite) and this was with the 12 plus gain at -7 on the amp. The 13u's gains are both maxed out and still giving me worse performance. Nothing else about my setup has changed so suggestions would be appreciated.
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I'm in need of some help. Got my 13u's today and placed them exactly where my 12 plus's were but they don't hit nearly as hard. I assume I did something wrong in the setup, but there isn't much to mess up with these things. The Curve from my REW graph is almost identical to the 12 plus one i took before i sent them back, yet the 13U's are playing at a significantly lower SPL. The drivers are barely moving when i turn it up compared to the 12 plus.

I have an RCA plugged into the right (low level input) with the switch set to "normal" on the 13u's.

Also note that this graph is supposed to be referenced to 75 db (although not quite) and this was with the 12 plus gain at -7 on the amp. The 13u's gains are both maxed out and still giving me worse performance. Nothing else about my setup has changed so suggestions would be appreciated.
Probably need to break in, these subs are very solid, and it takes some break in time for them to really hit. Just my opinion. Hope this helps.


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Yes, but there is no universe in which you will get 10 dB higher loudness level after break in

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We asked Tom in the psa thread a couple years ago about break in and he said something to the effect of it might take a few seconds to break in if anything. He built the speakers so I would say he knows.
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Not sure what changed, but i essentially reconnected everything and they're spl matching properly now.

Biggest difference I've noticed is the lack of distortion at 120+db. 12 pluses used to cry, with quite a bit of higher harmonic distortion. 13u's are doing quite well and I can even get an extra ~3db out of them before I tap out(and the distortion is still inaudible for me!)

Very noticeable difference in tactile feel as well despite producing the same SPL. According to REW though I've gained absolutely no additional extension. They shoot down like a rock at 16hz, which is pretty disappointing.
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