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Lol! I’m already planning on doing some DIY builds at some point. I’d like to build the 1099’s (LCR) first. Then perhaps either a pair of the Marty Cubes, or the Johnny Subs. Kinda leaning towards the Johnny’s though. It seems like they’ll be the best fit for my space. Still debating whether or not I’ll sell my PB12+, or use it as a nearfield behind my seating.

Anyway, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread too much with this, so on another note...I will say that with the new settings, I am very content with the results.

I watched The Quiet Place last night and it was nothing short of amazing. The LFE and overall mix were outstanding.

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Lol! I’m already planning on doing some DIY builds at some point. I’d like to build the 1099’s (LCR) first. Then perhaps either a pair of the Marty Cubes, or the Johnny Subs. Kinda leaning towards the Johnny’s though. It seems like they’ll be the best fit for my space. Still debating whether or not I’ll sell my PB12+, or use it as a nearfield behind my seating.

Anyway, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread too much with this, so on another note...I will say that with the new settings, I am very content with the results.

I watched The Quiet Place last night and it was nothing short of amazing. The LFE and overall mix were outstanding.

Also not to derail this thread, just a very quick reply, to this one


Good luck with your DIY, one of the best way to understand the guts and the making of fine speakers, and understanding why some speakers and subs are not so fine.
Also understanding where and why some components are chosen or cut from commercial for money wise, or personal choice,, also for money in most case.

I got this lesson back in the 90s, one of the most valuable tool in my tool box


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Also not to derail this thread, just a very quick reply, to this one


Good luck with your DIY, one of the best way to understand the guts and the making of fine speakers, and understanding why some speakers and subs are not so fine.
Also understanding where and why some components are chosen or cut from commercial for money wise, or personal choice,, also for money in most case.

I got this lesson back in the 90s, one of the most valuable tool in my tool box


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I honestly never knew about the whole DIY thing before discovering AVS. Nor did I ever consider it. But after reading about all of the benefits of it, it’s pretty much a no brainer. Plus, I love building things, so it’ll make that much more sweeter when I can look at it and say, “I built that”. Lol
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I honestly never knew about the whole DIY thing before discovering AVS. Nor did I ever consider it. But after reading about all of the benefits of it, it’s pretty much a no brainer. Plus, I love building things, so it’ll make that much more sweeter when I can look at it and say, “I built that”. Lol

I knew you had the interest and skills! Be sure to post pictures!
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I knew you had the interest and skills! Be sure to post pictures!
It'll be awhile yet, but I look forward to it. And I will definitely share my experience with you guys. It's the least I can do, as I've enjoyed following others experiences with their builds. That's one of the things that I really enjoy about this forum. That, and being able to gain some very valuable knowledge that I wouldn't been able to aquire otherwise.

It's kind of ironic that this all started after discovering SVS and began researching their products. That's how I stumbled across the AVS Forums...and now I'm hooked! Lol
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Does anyone have any "go to" PEQ settings for the PC13 Ultra? I'm running in 20hz mode with all ports open to maximize mid bass, but also want to go as low as possible. I also have PC12 NSD that I'm running simultaneously with it's volume at 10 oclock to complement the Ultra.

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Does anyone have any "go to" PEQ settings for the PC13 Ultra? I'm running in 20hz mode with all ports open to maximize mid bass, but also want to go as low as possible. I also have PC12 NSD that I'm running simultaneously with it's volume at 10 oclock to complement the Ultra.
The PEQ settings that Ed gave me worked nicely. But the the whole cascading crossovers thing that @mthomas47 turned me & on to....WOW! It not only made a better mid-bass impact, but it improved the sound clarity of my LCR, and just made everything sound/blend so much better.

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I posted on the Guide thread about a technique that might buy you just a little more headroom, and some more mid-bass clarity into the bargain. It is called cascading crossovers. The way to implement it, for PB13's, is defined quite specifically in Post 405 on this page:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56569516

There is a more detailed explanation of what is happening when we use cascading crossovers, as well as my own experience in trying it, in a new subsection of Section III of the Guide linked in my signature. If you decide to try the technique, I would be quite interested in hearing your subsequent impressions of it.

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Does anyone have any "go to" PEQ settings for the PC13 Ultra? I'm running in 20hz mode with all ports open to maximize mid bass, but also want to go as low as possible. I also have PC12 NSD that I'm running simultaneously with it's volume at 10 oclock to complement the Ultra.
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The PEQ settings that Ed gave me worked nicely. But the the whole cascading crossovers thing that @mthomas47 turned me & on to....WOW! It not only made a better mid-bass impact, but it improved the sound clarity of my LCR, and just made everything sound/blend so much better.

FWIW, I think that if you employed cascading crossovers, you could not only accentuate mid-bass frequencies more, you might also free-up enough headroom to go back to using the extended port mode for your subs (or at least for your Ultra). Either way, I think that you would like the result.

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FWIW, I think that if you employed cascading crossovers, you could not only accentuate mid-bass frequencies more, you might also free-up enough headroom to go back to using the extended port mode for your subs (or at least for your Ultra). Either way, I think that you would like the result.

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Thanks Mike. I think I posted in the guide thread as well.


I'm looking at the back of my Sledge 1000 (PC13). The options are Low pass and highpass, with -12 and -24. Is this what I'm adjusting? For both? What about PEQ?

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Thanks Mike. I think I posted in the guide thread as well.


I'm looking at the back of my Sledge 1000 (PC13). The options are Low pass and highpass, with -12 and -24. Is this what I'm adjusting? For both? What about PEQ?

Hi,

I may need to answer in both places, as well. You just want to implement a low-pass filter on your subwoofers. That will pass (allow) all the subwoofer frequencies below the frequency you select. In this case, I would recommend using the same frequency which you are using for the speaker crossovers and for the LPF of LFE, assuming that the LPF is adjustable on your AVR. I suspect that you would want to use 80Hz for everything. I would use the -24 setting. That will roll-off the subwoofer at a rate of 24db per octave, at frequencies above your low-pass filter.

I wouldn't worry about fooling with the PEQ right now. Just try this first, so that you can listen to one new variable at a time. Later when you are used to the new sound, you can always try some additional mid-bass boost centered at 63Hz if you want to. You may not need to, though. The cascading crossovers already accent the frequencies below 80Hz.


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Edit: I just saw your follow-up post. Again, I would just try one new variable at a time. Since you have been using the 20Hz port tune, just leave it there. Then, once you have listened for a while, you can always try changing the port tune to 16Hz to listen for any adverse changes to the sound. Ideally, you can pick-up a little headroom that can be applied to your low-frequencies, as well. But, I would approach this as a process, rather than as a whole group of changes at different frequencies, all occurring at once.
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I may need to answer in both places, as well. You just want to implement a low-pass filter on your subwoofers. That will pass (allow) all the subwoofer frequencies below the frequency you select. In this case, I would recommend using the same frequency which you are using for the speaker crossovers and for the LPF of LFE, assuming that the LPF is adjustable on your AVR. I suspect that you would want to use 80Hz for everything. I would use the -24 setting. That will roll-off the subwoofer at a rate of 24db per octave, at frequencies above your low-pass filter.

I wouldn't worry about fooling with the PEQ right now. Just try this first, so that you can listen to one new variable at a time. Later when you are used to the new sound, you can always try some additional mid-bass boost centered at 63Hz if you want to. You may not need to, though. The cascading crossovers already accent the frequencies below 80Hz.

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Appreciate it. I will try that and see how it works. 20hz mode or 16hz mode (1 port closed)?

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Also, since you do not need to make a profit, you can choose the highest quality component's, without doing any cut in the design.
Unfortunately for a commercial company, it is just a reality, if you want to stay in business, some do more cuts than others.

Did had some excellent results with the speakers, way back in the late 90's.
Sub wise, not so much.
That said, the quality of the woofers for Sub Woofer, and amps available, were not the same quality as the ones available today.

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Also, since you do not need to make a profit, you can choose the highest quality component's, without doing any cut in the design.
Unfortunately for a commercial company, it is just a reality, if you want to stay in business, some do more cuts than others.

Did had some excellent results with the speakers, way back in the late 90's.
Sub wise, not so much.
That said, the quality of the woofers for Sub Woofer, and amps available, were not the same quality as the ones available today.



And we Love Pictures around here
Also do not forget to post some in this thread;
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Will do. And thanks for the link.
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Just received my SB-4000. Opened it up. No power cord! LOL my luck!
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DOH!!

Hopefully you've got something spare laying around??

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Auto on/off

I have 2 SB-4000s set up identically. Both are set to auto on/off.
One of them starts when it receives a signal and shuts off when there is no signal, as it should.
The other never shuts off. I've seen posts about SVS subs on auto not turning on, but not refusing to turn off.
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Hopefully you've got something spare laying around??

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They will

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Just received my SB-4000. Opened it up. No power cord! LOL my luck!

Unfortunately, sometime little mistake like this can happen, at the factory.
Just contact SVS, and they will take care of you, in a real fast manner
More likely, they will ship one expedite.


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Unfortunately, sometime little mistake like this can happen, at the factory.
Just contact SVS, and they will take care of you, in a real fast manner
More likely, they will ship one expedite.


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Its no biggie. I ordered through crutchfield as i had a good deal of credit with them. One is on the way.
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I purchased two SB16s back in May of his year. I know a lot of people have posted here and on other sites about problems with the amps going out. I just got done last week replacing the amp on my second sub as the first one arrived with the amp DOA. The customer service with SVS was first rate for troubleshooting and getting them replaced. I am hoping now for a long, long problem free experience with these subs, but out of the gate they kind of stumbled right on their face. Now that I have two working amps, they do sound very good.
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I purchased two SB16s back in May of his year. I know a lot of people have posted here and on other sites about problems with the amps going out. I just got done last week replacing the amp on my second sub as the first one arrived with the amp DOA. The customer service with SVS was first rate for troubleshooting and getting them replaced. I am hoping now for a long, long problem free experience with these subs, but out of the gate they kind of stumbled right on their face. Now that I have two working amps, they do sound very good.
It has been disappointing as a supporter of SVS seeing so many failures, but it does seem to be pretty sporadic rather than steady. I bought 2 SB16s when they first came out in the fall of 2016 and I had both amps replaced immediately due to the issue with the amps not powering down with the auto off feature (not really an amp failure, more likely a programming issue). SVS made the process super easy and I've had around 20 months of near daily use since with zero issues. Hopefully they are able to eliminate some of these issues as the subs are outstanding otherwise.

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It has been disappointing as a supporter of SVS seeing so many failures, but it does seem to be pretty sporadic rather than steady. I bought 2 SB16s when they first came out in the fall of 2016 and I had both amps replaced immediately due to the issue with the amps not powering down with the auto off feature (not really an amp failure, more likely a programming issue). SVS made the process super easy and I've had around 20 months of near daily use since with zero issues. Hopefully they are able to eliminate some of these issues as the subs are outstanding otherwise.

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I posted yesterday about one of my SB4000s not shutting down with auto on/off but no one replied. Does that sound like the issue you had? Is the solution to replace the amp?

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I have 2 SB-4000s set up identically. Both are set to auto on/off.
One of them starts when it receives a signal and shuts off when there is no signal, as it should.
The other never shuts off. I've seen posts about SVS subs on auto not turning on, but not refusing to turn off.
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I posted yesterday about one of my SB4000s not shutting down with auto on/off but no one replied. Does that sound like the issue you had? Is the solution to replace the amp?

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I have 2 SB-4000s set up identically. Both are set to auto on/off.
One of them starts when it receives a signal and shuts off when there is no signal, as it should.
The other never shuts off. I've seen posts about SVS subs on auto not turning on, but not refusing to turn off.
Any ideas?
Thanks

The only thing, I can think about if they are getting the same amount of signal, from the AVR (check your calibration level, in case one got drop a lot) and both subs are set at the same level (ie, both are set at noon or 10 o'clock or …).


Maybe a bad switch, on the amp of the sub.


Have contacted SVS?
Ed and jack, and also the rest of the team, are real fast to deal with issues, like yours.


Ray

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Thanks Ray,
There is no noon or 10 o'clock or switches, its an electronic setup. Both are exactly the same, set at -10db as recommended by SVS. The issue is that when everything is powered off (prepro and amps) the subs should shut themselves off. One does, one doesn't. That sounds like the issue @ebdixson mentioned and replaced the amps to fix. Not sure.

It's a minor issue, don't know that I'd want the hassle of changing an amp to fix it. I'll call SVS when I'm back in town.

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I posted yesterday about one of my SB4000s not shutting down with auto on/off but no one replied. Does that sound like the issue you had? Is the solution to replace the amp?

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I have 2 SB-4000s set up identically. Both are set to auto on/off.
One of them starts when it receives a signal and shuts off when there is no signal, as it should.
The other never shuts off. I've seen posts about SVS subs on auto not turning on, but not refusing to turn off.
Any ideas?
Thanks
This definitely sounds like the issue that plagued a great deal of the initial batch of subs when they first released the new Ultras. I got both of my amps replaced since the process was quick, but they were both fully functional and it was more so just to eliminate the subs staying powered on longer than necessary.

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I posted yesterday about one of my SB4000s not shutting down with auto on/off but no one replied. Does that sound like the issue you had? Is the solution to replace the amp?

Original post follows:
I have 2 SB-4000s set up identically. Both are set to auto on/off.
One of them starts when it receives a signal and shuts off when there is no signal, as it should.
The other never shuts off. I've seen posts about SVS subs on auto not turning on, but not refusing to turn off.
Any ideas?
Thanks
The three power modes are Auto, On and Trigger. Make sure both amps are set to Auto. After 20 minutes of no signal, the amp will drop into standby along with 'Goodbye' on the display.

The display mode is unrelated to the power mode. Most customer select Off and 10 SEC for the display mode. It will illuminate when using the menu and then go dark after 10 seconds of non-use.

If you select Volume or Logo, it will revert back to either the Volume setting or the model (SVS SB-4000) as the display setting.

If the amp doesn't drop into standby when set in Auto mode, contact Customer Service at [email protected] and we'll take care of you.

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Its no biggie. I ordered through crutchfield as i had a good deal of credit with them. One is on the way.
Sorry about that! Sometimes the power cord is tucked into a little cubby hole cut into the top or bottom foam tray and it's super easy to miss. But either way I'm glad you have one on the way.

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I have a SVS PC-2000 sub that I need to put in storage and I believe I heard that SVS will sell their shipping boxes, is this correct?
We can sell you the full inner/outer packaging for a PC-2000. The price is $59.99 and that includes shipping (which is a good chunk of that cost) anywhere in CONUS.
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I need one more

I already own one SVS SB2000 in white for my great room, but I may need a second one for my master bedroom in 4-6 months.
That said, I see they have been discontinued!

Anyone have inside knowledge if this sub will be coming back in white? Need it in white only.

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The three power modes are Auto, On and Trigger. Make sure both amps are set to Auto. After 20 minutes of no signal, the amp will drop into standby along with 'Goodbye' on the display.

The display mode is unrelated to the power mode. Most customer select Off and 10 SEC for the display mode. It will illuminate when using the menu and then go dark after 10 seconds of non-use.

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If the amp doesn't drop into standby when set in Auto mode, contact Customer Service at [email protected] and we'll take care of you.
Thanks Ed. I'm out of town but I'll check this out on the weekend. It's possible that both units are powering off properly but the display mode is set differently. I'll report back when I check it out.

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Hey guys, I'm installing a new receiver this weekend so will be recalibrating everything. I'd like to open up one of my PC13 ultras to see if it's wired backwards before I start. Without the SVS tool I'm scared to try pulling the driver out tho. Would it be easier to pull the amp out to check everything?

Someone mentioned testing with a 9 volt battery. How would I go about this?
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