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I switched the connections at the Marantz, both subs are working now! Could the amp work intermittently? Could shutting it down completely and restarting it, "re-set" the amp? I guess I''ll turn everything off, and let the subs go into standby and see what happens when I turn it all back on.
Probably the RCA cable wasn't seated correctly. If you don't have any further problems, that's probably it. If the problems pop up again, I'd try another cable before calling SVS.
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Wonder if SVS will put a sub on sale for Black Friday like they did last year.

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Hi guys,

Just finished testing with DEQ off. Boosted the sub 6db to compensate and to tell you the truth I think both had their advantages. Anyway then I was thinking if I watch a movie at -15mv all I have to do is set the offset to -15 in AVR and then I’d get no DEQ boost besides what I did in the AVR. Anyone else uses this method.
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Wonder if SVS will put a sub on sale for Black Friday like they did last year.
I'm hoping for a deal on Ultra towers.
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Hi guys,

Just finished testing with DEQ off. Boosted the sub 6db to compensate and to tell you the truth I think both had their advantages. Anyway then I was thinking if I watch a movie at -15mv all I have to do is set the offset to -15 in AVR and then I’d get no DEQ boost besides what I did in the AVR. Anyone else uses this method.

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I would give myself some time with this to see what I like, if I were you. Nothing says that you have to decide right away, or that you can't go back-and-forth with different program material. I think that DEQ may add a little excitement, but at the cost of some clarity, so as you say, it's really just a matter of which you prefer. And, that may change, based on the listening material, or on your own mood.

Setting an RLO of -15, with a master volume of -15, is exactly the same as turning DEQ off, except that you won't have access to the tone controls unless DEQ actually is off. What I might try, though, is an RLO of -10, or -5, to see if having just a little bit of DEQ works better. Those are all YMMV scenarios.

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PB12-NSD and SB12-NSD are back yet again this Turkey Day Holiday for $500 and $400, respectively.
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PB12-NSD and SB12-NSD are back yet again this Turkey Day Holiday for $500 and $400, respectively.
Historically, has SVS offered additional discounts on new or outlet items for Black Friday? I can find that they offered the same deals on PB12-NSD/SB12-NSD last year but wonder if they do anything else on that day?
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PB12-NSD and SB12-NSD are back yet again this Turkey Day Holiday for $500 and $400, respectively.

I had been considering getting one Monoprice Monolith 15". Would I be better off with two PB12s? At $500 this would be cheaper than one Monolith. Room is around 4500 cubit feet and perhaps 80% movies 20% music.
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I had been considering getting one Monoprice Monolith 15". Would I be better off with two PB12s? At $500 this would be cheaper than one Monolith. Room is around 4500 cubit feet and perhaps 80% movies 20% music.
I have the same sized room with 2 Klipsch 15" (one of which went kaput last week) and one SVS PB12-NSD. I just purchased another PB12 this morning which will give me dual PB12s as well. Won't be able to let you know until later this week.
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Currently have a Polk PSW505 (-3 dB frequency response is 28-125Hz per documentation) in a living room that is open to kitchen and rest of the house via 20 ft ceiling. Would the PB12-NSD be more of a lateral move for movies or a major upgrade?

I only have the space or WAF to run 1 sub.
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Currently have a Polk PSW505 (-3 dB frequency response is 28-125Hz per documentation) in a living room that is open to kitchen and rest of the house via 20 ft ceiling. Would the PB12-NSD be more of a lateral move for movies or a major upgrade?

I only have the space or WAF to run 1 sub.
That would be a large upgrade going to the PB12.

Free returns makes it an easy decision to at least give it a go if you are in the US.

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I have the same sized room with 2 Klipsch 15" (one of which went kaput last week) and one SVS PB12-NSD. I just purchased another PB12 this morning which will give me dual PB12s as well. Won't be able to let you know until later this week.

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Currently have a Polk PSW505 (-3 dB frequency response is 28-125Hz per documentation) in a living room that is open to kitchen and rest of the house via 20 ft ceiling. Would the PB12-NSD be more of a lateral move for movies or a major upgrade?

I only have the space or WAF to run 1 sub.
No question or doubt...the PB12 NSD will be a "MAJOR" upgrade from the PSW505!
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That would be a large upgrade going to the PB12.

Free returns makes it an easy decision to at least give it a go if you are in the US.

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Yes, it would fit but it would be getting major boundary reinforcement (corner of room, side of couch, side of cradenza) basically dropped into a open top hole. Is that bad?

Yeah, my Polk would probably do well in my dedicated 2-channel room with its extension specs.
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Yes, it would fit but it would be getting major boundary reinforcement (corner of room, side of couch, side of cradenza) basically dropped into a open top hole. Is that bad?

Yeah, my Polk would probably do well in my dedicated 2-channel room with its extension specs.
Your current sub is also ported, in the rear, the PB12 is ported in the front so with free returns no harm in trying the SVS sub.

So you only have one placement option and it's in a corner inside a cabinet?

What EQ does your AVR have?

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I had been considering getting one Monoprice Monolith 15". Would I be better off with two PB12s? At $500 this would be cheaper than one Monolith. Room is around 4500 cubit feet and perhaps 80% movies 20% music.
Good question and my guess is one Mono 15. I'm sure others can chime in with a technical comparison. Problem is that until you get them in your room you won't truly know which solution is more cost effective...

I'm sort of in the same boat. Been convinced that I needed duals in my 3000+ room but as I've been sitting back waiting for Black Friday, I keep wondering if I shouldn't just go with one big sub. VTF-15, Mono 15, PB-4000, etc. Well, I pulled the trigger on two PB12's today and will finally start to answer my questions. They'll arrive Weds and I'll start testing. I may purchase a PB-4000 while I'm within the 45 day period and do an A/B test.
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Your current sub is also ported, in the rear, the PB12 is ported in the front so with free returns no harm in trying the SVS sub.

So you only have one placement option and it's in a corner inside a cabinet?

What EQ does your AVR have?
Yes, one placement option. It's not in a cabinet, just boundaried by 4 things (2 walls, side of sofa, and side of cradenza).
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Yes, one placement option. It's not in a cabinet, just boundaried by 4 things (2 walls, side of sofa, and side of cradenza).
Does your AVR EQ the sub?

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Does your AVR EQ the sub?
Well, no, I don't think so. My Yamaha AVR has simple YPAO and just sets a low pass filter at 100hZ. That doesn't quality as EQ does it? I can pick up a simple MiniDSP 2x4 for under $100 bucks to play around with.
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Well, no, I don't think so. My Yamaha AVR has simple YPAO and just sets a low pass filter at 100hZ. That doesn't quality as EQ does it? I can pick up a simple MiniDSP 2x4 for under $100 bucks to play around with.
If you didn't need it with your old sub may not need it with the new one.

But I use a Minidsp in my secondary room, (with Umik and REW), for my two little subs because their frequency response isn't exactly "good" out of the box considering I paid $200.........................................for two!

I needed the MiniDSP to act as a crossover as my old analog NAD stereo receiver has no bass management but, luckily, has pre outs/main ins for the minidsp to act as a crossover.

It was an added bonus to use it to flatten the EQ of the subs for me.

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Currently have a Polk PSW505 (-3 dB frequency response is 28-125Hz per documentation) in a living room that is open to kitchen and rest of the house via 20 ft ceiling. Would the PB12-NSD be more of a lateral move for movies or a major upgrade?

I only have the space or WAF to run 1 sub.
major upgrade
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Sup fellas. Finally after swapping out the bad amp on one of my new PB4000's and running Audyssey x32 the other night (it literally took me 3 hours to dial in the subs to my preference and what audyssey wants to set-Did this all at 1AM when kids were asleep and all external power/noise turned off btw )

Anyways, finally got to enjoy my sytem last night and watched Jurassic Park. What a difference these dual PB 4000's do for my system! Gobs of power even in my 4500 CF living room. I have one sub on back left wall and right sub positioned in the middle of my right wall. My living room is large open floor plan to the kitchen so this is the best I got to work with.

I had to set both subs to -14 to get Audyssey/Denon avr to set their trims at -11 and -11.5. I boosted them about 6 db in my AVR. Sound is large and base hits hard! Little boomy if I crank it to reference but I usually watch at about -10. Before bed, I of course had to play the infamous EOT opening scene and holy hell!!, I didn't know my house had that many rattles? My wife ran downstairs and was like WTF??? Anyways, pretty happy with the PB4000's. I think these are great woofers and for most people pretty much all anyone would ever need.... Happy thanksgiving fellas!

That should remove any doubts in your mind relative to both SVS's customer satisfaction and product performance. Congrats and welcome to the club...finally!
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I would give myself some time with this to see what I like, if I were you. Nothing says that you have to decide right away, or that you can't go back-and-forth with different program material. I think that DEQ may add a little excitement, but at the cost of some clarity, so as you say, it's really just a matter of which you prefer. And, that may change, based on the listening material, or on your own mood.

Setting an RLO of -15, with a master volume of -15, is exactly the same as turning DEQ off, except that you won't have access to the tone controls unless DEQ actually is off. What I might try, though, is an RLO of -10, or -5, to see if having just a little bit of DEQ works better. Those are all YMMV scenarios.

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Just finished testing with DEQ off. Boosted the sub 6db to compensate and to tell you the truth I think both had their advantages. Anyway then I was thinking if I watch a movie at -15mv all I have to do is set the offset to -15 in AVR and then I’d get no DEQ boost besides what I did in the AVR. Anyone else uses this method.
As Mike post quoted above, do not make your decision right away.
Since I mostly listen to movies, I normally give my-self a few movies before making my final decision.


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Probably the RCA cable wasn't seated correctly. If you don't have any further problems, that's probably it. If the problems pop up again, I'd try another cable before calling SVS.
I've used the system a couple of times since my last post. Each time both subs have come on right away and stayed on. Not sure why it hasn't happened again, but I'll be keeping a close eye on them going forward. They sound great!! Very pleased with my purchase so far. I love the app. I wouldn't be able to tweak them any where near as much if I had to access controls on the back panels.
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Pulled the trigger today and am excited to be adding a 2nd PB16 Ultra to my home theater this Christmas. I’ve been waiting for this moment for two years when they first introduced the PB16s as I got my first one for Christmas 2016. Life is good, much to be thankful for including the good folks on this forum that continue to educate and support us on our quest for home theater greatness.

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I'm expecting the 3000-series will be rather (for me that is) expensive here in The Netherlands. But, natural born optimistic as I am, maybe the price of the 2000-series will drop a bit by then. Probably wishful thinking though.

Would really love a PC-3000 (for the Bluetooth functionality mainly) but that one will be out of reach as well I guess.

So, for the time being I will just keep on watching all those double PB16-Ultra crates be delivered and installed and wiping some drool from the keyboard.
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SB12-NSD Subwoofer -- What does NSD stand for?

Hopefully, Never Say Die.
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I'm tempted by the PB12-NSD deal. I currently have an Outlaw LFM-Plus sub that has served me well but I've been thinking of moving to dual-subs now that I've moved into a single-family home with a basement HT setup. Would the PB12 pair well with the Outlaw or should I hold off until I can get two of the same type subs?

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