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Finally tested it.
finally did Kate Upton... ??
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And your impression are?
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Just trying it out for now. I have watched Mad Max and A Quiet Place. The bass was crazy on Mad Max.
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Anyone try out the new 3000's? Particularly the pb? Would love to hear any opinions on this new product!


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I currently have dual PC-2000s (love them!) in my theater with the new PB-3000s on their way. I have some travel coming up and won't be able to run REW for a while for fine tuning, but am more than happy to report my initial "seat of the pants" impression. They should arrive sometime later this week and I have high expectations based on nothing more than price point (smh). Thankfully, we all know SVS is outstanding and I have 45 days to convince myself the PB-3000s are worth it.

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After having ringing in my ears for two days after a Grateful Dead concert back in 1987 or so, I went out and got professional linear ear plugs fitted for my ears. Never, ever go to a concert or a movie without them. They most definitely helped to pause further ear deterioration through the years. Thanks again for the thoughts and link. Regards. Ned.
Only 2 days? I have a few words to top that.....

Battleship. Engine room.

WHAT DID YOU SAY??? (I really need to drag my butt to the V.A. and make them fix all my medical problems)

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Just trying it out for now. I have watched Mad Max and A Quiet Place. The bass was crazy on Mad Max.
2 very nice movies to test with! Love them both.
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Only 2 days? I have a few words to top that.....

Battleship. Engine room.

WHAT DID YOU SAY??? (I really need to drag my butt to the V.A. and make them fix all my medical problems)



2 very nice movies to test with! Love them both.
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Just trying it out for now. I have watched Mad Max and A Quiet Place. The bass was crazy on Mad Max.
Glad to see, your first impression was a good one

Enjoy!


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After having ringing in my ears for two days after a Grateful Dead concert back in 1987 or so, I went out and got professional linear ear plugs fitted for my ears. Never, ever go to a concert or a movie without them. They most definitely helped to pause further ear deterioration through the years. Thanks again for the thoughts and link. Regards. Ned.

Your are more than welcome, for my thought and the link. Just enjoy helping others, when I can.
Sorry to hear about what happen to you. Not only this is what I try to avoid. Bad enough our hearing do go down, that after a certain age. One of the big reason, I always wear hearing protection, at work and at home when required.


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Only 2 days? I have a few words to top that.....
Battleship. Engine room.

WHAT DID YOU SAY??? (I really need to drag my butt to the V.A. and make them fix all my medical problems)

2 very nice movies to test with! Love them both.
Yes you do! The sooner the better. Since the process. I would assume is the same as here Canada. Very slow
Here in Canada, the first time you go to the VA office, the answer is always no. Then you have to re-apply, and get a low ball number, for helping you on the second try.

I can only imagine what a Battleship size engine would be, and how loud it sounded. Since in my life, I heard some very big enclose generator engine. But nothing the size of an engine found, in a Battleship.

As a veteran from an allied forces, I want to say. Thanks for serving your country.


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Hello all, i have a PB 12 plus/2 that I purchased from SVS quite some time ago. I believe it had the first gen of the 12 plus driver. If i remember correctly they changed the drivers shortly after i purchased this one. I *think* they made those available as an upgrade kit (memory is a bit fuzzy now).

Does anyone know how to identify the unit? I'm curious as to how it compares and where it would fit in their current lineup.

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SVS customer service was surprisingly helpful here. Purchased in 2005. They sent along a manual and links to the archived web pages for this unit.
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SVS customer service was surprisingly helpful here. Purchased in 2005. They sent along a manual and links to the archived web pages for this unit.
Not really surprising...exceptionally normal...for SVS!
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Not really surprising...exceptionally normal...for SVS!
Having not dealt with them since 2005 or so when I purchased this unit, I think I'd forgotten.
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Glad to see, your first impression was a good one

Enjoy!


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Received my SB-3000 the other day. Set it up yesterday. Obviously needs some breaking-in time but right off the bat my ears can tell it digs deeper than the SB-2000 it replaces. Amazing what they can get out of it considering the driver's only 1" bigger and the box itself is only about 1" bigger all around. (Of course, it weighs 20lbs. more.) More thoughts to follow in a couple weeks.

PS: SVS is incredible with its customer service. They made it a breeze to return my SB-2000 and get credit against the SB-3000. Total class company.
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Received my SB-3000 the other day. Set it up yesterday. Obviously needs some breaking-in time but right off the bat my ears can tell it digs deeper than the SB-2000 it replaces. Amazing what they can get out of it considering the driver's only 1" bigger and the box itself is only about 1" bigger all around. (Of course, it weighs 20lbs. more.) More thoughts to follow in a couple weeks.

PS: SVS is incredible with its customer service. They made it a breeze to return my SB-2000 and get credit against the SB-3000. Total class company.

Well sometime 1" bigger, can make a big difference
On a more serious note, their customer service is indeed, Outstanding


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Received my SB-3000 the other day. Set it up yesterday. Obviously needs some breaking-in time but right off the bat my ears can tell it digs deeper than the SB-2000 it replaces. Amazing what they can get out of it considering the driver's only 1" bigger and the box itself is only about 1" bigger all around. (Of course, it weighs 20lbs. more.) More thoughts to follow in a couple weeks.

PS: SVS is incredible with its customer service. They made it a breeze to return my SB-2000 and get credit against the SB-3000. Total class company.
Keep us posted along the way. I have one on order through BB to go with a pair of ML Motion 40’s, expecting great things from the combo driven by a NAD 758. Was originally planning to go with a pair of the sb2000, changed to a single 3000, quality over quantity hopefully. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
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Keep us posted along the way. I have one on order through BB to go with a pair of ML Motion 40’s, expecting great things from the combo driven by a NAD 758. Was originally planning to go with a pair of the sb2000, changed to a single 3000, quality over quantity hopefully. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
I always went BIG as my budget on subs, you can add a second one later, what I was going to do but ONE PB 13 Ultra did it for my small room. I use NAD equipment for my turn table, reel to reel and CD 2.1 that I really enjoy. I was wondering how you like the NAD AVR, and it's room correction feature and ease of set up etc.
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I just ran the auto-cal process on my Pioneer 801... why? because I got my SVS Ultra Towers yesterday as an upgrade to the Ultra Bookshelves. I watched some scenes from Mission Impossible Fallout and there is more presence and more detail in sounds and some more upper to mid-bass. I'm currently listening to some music and it's also more clear and detailed. There's obviously more bass present too and 2 channel music sounds much fuller and nice. I'm happily impressed!
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I always went BIG as my budget on subs, you can add a second one later, what I was going to do but ONE PB 13 Ultra did it for my small room. I use NAD equipment for my turn table, reel to reel and CD 2.1 that I really enjoy. I was wondering how you like the NAD AVR, and it's room correction feature and ease of set up etc.

This one great sub you got, a Flagship for SVS for many years
Not that I am bias toward this particular model

But like you said, buying one better single sub. Can many times be enough, for the end user.


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I just ran the auto-cal process on my Pioneer 801... why? because I got my SVS Ultra Towers yesterday as an upgrade to the Ultra Bookshelves. I watched some scenes from Mission Impossible Fallout and there is more presence and more detail in sounds and some more upper to mid-bass. I'm currently listening to some music and it's also more clear and detailed. There's obviously more bass present too and 2 channel music sounds much fuller and nice. I'm happily impressed!

Welcome to club of owning towers

I always prefer towers, for that reason. Since even when using a cut off point of 80Hz, the crossover is not a brick wall. And some lower frequencies are still played by the woofers of the towers. Congratulation on your new speakers.


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Guys, what cable do I need to connect a PB2000 to a desktop via line-out? Just a good 'ol RCA male to RCA male? or some kind of Y adapter for both L and R line outs?
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I currently have dual PC-2000s (love them!) in my theater with the new PB-3000s on their way. I have some travel coming up and won't be able to run REW for a while for fine tuning, but am more than happy to report my initial "seat of the pants" impression. They should arrive sometime later this week and I have high expectations based on nothing more than price point (smh). Thankfully, we all know SVS is outstanding and I have 45 days to convince myself the PB-3000s are worth it.

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Happy to report, the new PB-3000s arrived Wednesday afternoon! I cast my PC-2000s to side so quickly, one would think they had never shaken my walls or brought huge smiles to my face for the past 3 years. Alas, new gear is new gear and we all know that feeling of anticipation. Will they be noticeably better?

Unboxing and initial set up with the Isolation feet was a breeze. These really are a great balance of overall size and weight which makes them relatively easy to maneuver and reposition in your space (no furniture sliders needed). I positioned them in the same general footprint as my PC-2000s. After plugging them in (power, not ports), downloading the SVS control app, connecting to and renaming each sub in the app, I was ready to give them a run.

I quickly ran through a number of movie scenes (Mad Max, Edge of Tomorrow, Ready Player One, Fury) that I know have impressed me with the PC-2000s. Simply put, the PB-3000s straight out of the box (no break-in or calibration for room correction) are very impressive! Although the PC-2000 and PB-3000 may appear fairly similar to someone that is simply comparing frequency response, the PB-3000s achieve that low frequency extension effortlessly. These can be pushed to levels the PC-2000s would just not be able to handle, so having that extra headroom is a huge bonus.

I am really looking forward to running REW and making some PEQ adjustments after break-in, but that won't be for a few weeks. In the meantime, I'll re-run YPAO and make minor adjustments this weekend and am running some music and movie tracks through them on loops to get them seasoned. Also, being a non-app controlled sub owner prior to this, I can say it is beyond helpful to be able to make any adjustment to either sub without leaving your seat or pulling a sub away from the wall to access menus.

Hopefully, there are some other reports from new SB/PB-3000 owners that get posted. I am very curious to hear other impressions and see how these compare to whatever was previously being used in their set-ups.

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Hopefully, there are some other reports from new SB/PB-3000 owners that get posted. I am very curious to hear other impressions and see how these compare to whatever was previously being used in their set-ups.

Thanks and enjoy your SVS products, whatever they may be!
Congrats! I've owned the PB-2000's followed by the PB13U's and can appreciate your assessment of the PB-3000's. From my experience, the PB-2000 is a very capable sub at its price point. The PB-3000 sounds like a very nice fit in terms of performance slotted between the PB-2000 and the PB-4000.
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I just ran the auto-cal process on my Pioneer 801... why? because I got my SVS Ultra Towers yesterday as an upgrade to the Ultra Bookshelves. I watched some scenes from Mission Impossible Fallout and there is more presence and more detail in sounds and some more upper to mid-bass. I'm currently listening to some music and it's also more clear and detailed. There's obviously more bass present too and 2 channel music sounds much fuller and nice. I'm happily impressed!
Curious as to what you have the crossover set to for the towers.
Also curious if you get an out of phase error when setting yours up.

SVS told me not to worry about it but it always bothered me a little that I have to wire my towers backwards for them not to cancel with my subs.
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Curious as to what you have the crossover set to for the towers.
Also curious if you get an out of phase error when setting yours up.

SVS told me not to worry about it but it always bothered me a little that I have to wire my towers backwards for them not to cancel with my subs.
As a rule, I like to set my towers at 80Hz. But since SVS towers do go low on the bass side, You could also try 60Hz, to see what sound best for your preference in your room.

For the phase error issue. I see two possibility. The first one is the towers crossover are set too low, and you get some cancelation from the Towers side sub with your main sub. The second one is some speakers design with a MTM (Midrange, Tweeter and Midrange). Are built with one Midrange driver out of phase. And this could result in a phase error during calibration.

That said, you never connect you speakers out of phase. Just double check, that they are connected properly, Plus to Plus and Minus to Minus. From your AVR to your speakers. If they are, perhaps setting the crossover lower on the Speakers setting. Or playing with the phase control on the sub, could fix the problem.


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As a rule, I like to set my towers at 80Hz. But since SVS towers do go low on the bass side, You could also try 60Hz, to see what sound best for your preference in your room.

For the phase error issue. I see two possibility. The first one is the towers crossover are set too low, and you get some cancelation from the Towers side sub with your main sub. The second one is some speakers design with a MTM (Midrange, Tweeter and Midrange). Are built with one Midrange driver out of phase.
Yea both towers are next to my pb13s, the 8" drivers are practically firing into the side of the subs. SVS also told me the two 6.5s do fire out of phase as well. The problem for me is I actually lose 18dB from 40-80hz if I wire the towers correctly (black to black red to red). I get the SPL back if i wire them black to red and red to black (and the YPAO phase error goes away) but I could never figure out why.
Sounds good in two channel mode when I'm listening to music...but I always wondered if the reverse phase was messing things up with my other speakers for movies etc... in the higher range.
I've settled on an 80hz crossover for now, I was just curious as to what other tower owners were using .

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Yea both towers are next to my pb13s, the 8" drivers are practically firing into the side of the subs. SVS also told me the two 6.5s do fire out of phase as well. The problem for me is I actually lose 18dB from 40-80hz if I wire the towers correctly (black to black red to red). I get the SPL back if i wire them black to red and red to black (and the YPAO phase error goes away) but I could never figure out why.
Sounds good in two channel mode when I'm listening to music...but I always wondered if the reverse phase was messing things up with my other speakers for movies etc... in the higher range.
I've settled on an 80hz crossover for now, I was just curious as to what other tower owners were using .
Then this make two of us

And also curious to read, what others members think about this one. Since you are using a 80Hz crossover point on your Towers. Nice subs by the way, love the way mine sounds.


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YPAO does some odd things, I can't use LFE In on the sub because YPAO will set my rear surrounds to a 200Hz crossover and I will hear a lot of information from those channels coming through the sub. Line In and a 120Hz crossover on the sub and everything is fine and YPAO will set my rear surrounds crossover at 120Hz which is their +/- 3 db rating
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I currently have dual PC-2000s (love them!) in my theater with the new PB-3000s on their way. I have some travel coming up and won't be able to run REW for a while for fine tuning, but am more than happy to report my initial "seat of the pants" impression. They should arrive sometime later this week and I have high expectations based on nothing more than price point (smh). Thankfully, we all know SVS is outstanding and I have 45 days to convince myself the PB-3000s are worth it.

If anyone is looking for marital advice, the conversation of purchasing new subs so your old ones can be repurposed into a new gaming set up should be avoided at all costs.

That's all for now!
Happy to report, the new PB-3000s arrived Wednesday afternoon! I cast my PC-2000s to side so quickly, one would think they had never shaken my walls or brought huge smiles to my face for the past 3 years. Alas, new gear is new gear and we all know that feeling of anticipation. Will they be noticeably better?

Unboxing and initial set up with the Isolation feet was a breeze. These really are a great balance of overall size and weight which makes them relatively easy to maneuver and reposition in your space (no furniture sliders needed). I positioned them in the same general footprint as my PC-2000s. After plugging them in (power, not ports), downloading the SVS control app, connecting to and renaming each sub in the app, I was ready to give them a run.

I quickly ran through a number of movie scenes (Mad Max, Edge of Tomorrow, Ready Player One, Fury) that I know have impressed me with the PC-2000s. Simply put, the PB-3000s straight out of the box (no break-in or calibration for room correction) are very impressive! Although the PC-2000 and PB-3000 may appear fairly similar to someone that is simply comparing frequency response, the PB-3000s achieve that low frequency extension effortlessly. These can be pushed to levels the PC-2000s would just not be able to handle, so having that extra headroom is a huge bonus.

I am really looking forward to running REW and making some PEQ adjustments after break-in, but that won't be for a few weeks. In the meantime, I'll re-run YPAO and make minor adjustments this weekend and am running some music and movie tracks through them on loops to get them seasoned. Also, being a non-app controlled sub owner prior to this, I can say it is beyond helpful to be able to make any adjustment to either sub without leaving your seat or pulling a sub away from the wall to access menus.

Hopefully, there are some other reports from new SB/PB-3000 owners that get posted. I am very curious to hear other impressions and see how these compare to whatever was previously being used in their set-ups.

Thanks and enjoy your SVS products, whatever they may be!
3 questions-
1 how could you have put them in the same footprint as the PC2000 when the PB3000 are much larger and wider??
2 how big is your room (trying decide between PC2000 pair or 1 PC2000 and 1 PB3000
3. Any way you could try a PC2000 and PB3000 together and see if that is doable -this might be my short term compromise solution

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My sb12nsd arrived yesterday, I arrived home tonight, stoked as hell as this is my first home subwoofer.

Got it unboxed and tossed into close where it will likely end up, ran audyssey, made some quick adjustments and it seems to be blending pretty well with my bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately I got home too late to really open it up, tomorrow cannot come soon enough!

I have a Denon e300, idk if there are any suggestions/recommendations for settings. I set the sub to what SVS recommended and AVR put my sub to -12, I bumped it up to -7.5, put crossover to 80hz and speakers to small. It also has Subwoofer mode as LFE and has an option for LFE+Main.

From what little ive been able to dabble with it I can say I am just excited to be able to hear the remainder of the audible spectrum.
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