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lalakersfan34 02-04-2008 01:08 PM

Having waded through post after post of people seeking advice regarding the purchase of a new sub, responding with good ideas, and being told time and time again "that's too expensive," "that thing is huge," etc, I think it's time to give some guidelines as to the information that should be provided by anyone in search of assistance before purchasing a subwoofer. Here's a short list that can help immensely, both in keeping threads less cluttered, as well as helping OP's get the information and opinions they desire more quickly:


Before anything else...

Search the forum. Chances are, your question regarding "this sub vs. that sub" has already been asked, discussed, chewed, and spat out hundreds of times already. Try to search the forums and see if you can get a good amount of information that way. If you still want personal advice, feel free to make new threads, but the search function is a wonderful thing



If you still seek more guidance after you have exhausted the AVS Subwoofer Forum Archives, then proceed to begin a thread with the following criteria answered as fully as possible.

1. Your budget. This seems like an obvious thing to state when seeking advice, but many people neglect to mention this anywhere. If you have a budget of $200 but don't mention this and say you want awesome performance, you'll be getting a lot of suggestions for PB13 Ultras, Conquests, F113's, etc. Please cut down the frustration for everyone and simply state a budget range, preferably making it clear to those who desire to help you whether or not this budget includes shipping and taxes

2. Size requirements/limits. If you say you have a $700 budget but fail to inform us that you need a 10" cube form factor, you can rest assured you'll be receiving recommendations for Epik Knights, eD A5-350's, MFW-15's, etc, none of which will come anywhere close to meeting your need for a tiny box. When size matters, please say so!

3. Room dimensions. If you have a 10,000 cubic foot room and a $150 budget, chances are we can't help much. Still, room dimensions can make a big impact on recommendations. Small subs like the SVS SB12 Plus are great subs for music and pretty good for HT, but they'll prove to be insufficient in huge rooms.

4. Primary uses. Given a certain budget, one sub might be a better choice for HT, while another might be a better sub for music. Of course quality subs can do both well. Still, giving an estimate of usage (example: 60% HT/TV viewing, 30% music, 10% gaming) will help others give better recommendations.

5. Listening habits. Listening habits can dictate what sub you'll need. Many AVS members are a bit excessive with their bass requirements and desires (myself included). However, not everyone needs two Epik Conquests in their 2500 cubic foot room. If you realistically won't be listening at really high volumes, say so. On the other hand, if you like to watch concert DVDs at SPL levels that make live concerts seem tame by comparison, we need to know that too.

6. Appearance requirements. Some people have no problem putting a huge box with a rough, black cabinet in their dedicated home theater. Others need a nicely finished cabinet to fit well in the family room. Please make any aesthetic requirements known so those giving advice will be better able to assist you.

7. Timeframe. There are many new subwoofer manufacturers that sell direct over the internet and have enjoyed extremely high popularity in a very short time span. Unfortunately, this has caused severe backorders on their products, as they have not been able to keep up with demand. Try to let us know if getting the sub right away is a priority, as it might affect the suggestions you receive depending on whether or not certain companies are backlogged.





Hopefully these guidelines can help to streamline subwoofer suggestions here on AVS. Anyone with additional ideas, feel free to give input as well. Thanks.

deneb 02-04-2008 01:11 PM

Great post! This should be a sticky, and we also need an 'information to include when seeking advice on speakers' sticky as well.

Oh, and add a #6: SEARCH the forum before starting another 'what speakers should I buy' thread.

lalakersfan34 02-04-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deneb View Post

Great post! This should be a sticky, and we also need an 'information to include when seeking advice on speakers' sticky as well.

Oh, and add a #6: SEARCH the forum before starting another 'what speakers should I buy' thread.

Added...thanks

mojomike 02-04-2008 01:17 PM

Those are all pieces of excellent advice. There is one more item I would add:

6. Appearance requirements. Do you require that your sub has a furniture-like appearance or not? This can obviously make a difference when choosing between something like an Epik or a eD versus, let's say, an SVS or a JL.

ack_bk 02-04-2008 01:29 PM

Great idea lakers. I also agree that this should be a sticky.

deneb 02-04-2008 01:37 PM

To help catch the attention of newbies looking for advice, change the thread title to "Need a speaker/subwoofer recommendation? READ THIS FIRST!" - maybe title the stickies for speaker and sub recommendations that way.

lalakersfan34 02-04-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Those are all pieces of excellent advice. There is one more item I would add:

6. Appearance requirements. Do you require that your sub has a furniture-like appearance or not? This can obviously make a difference when choosing between something like an Epik or a eD versus, let's say, an SVS or a JL.

Added...thanks

mailiang 02-04-2008 04:11 PM

Stephen, If I was were still teaching I would have given you an A. Your comments were creative, and detailed, which certainly helped emphasize the point that you were trying to make. Hopefully we can save this as a sticky thread for new members, reducing the redundancy of all those posts that keep being displayed.

Ian

lalakersfan34 02-04-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Stephen, If I was were still teaching I would have given you an A. Your comments were creative, and detailed, which certainly helped emphasize the point that you were trying to make. Hopefully we can save this as a sticky thread for new members, reducing the redundancy of all those posts that keep being displayed.

Ian

I'm hoping it becomes a sticky too - that's really why I made it. Glad to see others think so as well. I think this forum is a great place where tons of people with a wealth of knowledge can come and share ideas with each other. I've just grown a bit tired of threads that begin something like this:

"I need a new sub. Any suggestions?"

It seems after every first post, five other people have to reply to ask more specific questions about what the OP wants, needs, or can even consider. If OP's would take the time to address most if not all of the criteria listed in this thread, it would save everyone a lot of time (OP's included!) It sounds like win-win to me . Of course most of us wouldn't look nearly so astute and knowledgeable, as our post counts would all be around 100 .

Thanks for the compliment too, Ian. Always such a nice guy .

mather 02-04-2008 05:56 PM

Great thread, maybe a little asterisk at the end of your post to state....If one follows the above sequence, one will nearly have all the information to determine the correct sub for themselves and not require starting a thread asking for help.

deneb 02-04-2008 05:57 PM

Yes, this definitely needs to be stickied! One in the subwoofer forum, and one (appropriately tweaked) in the speaker forum.

lalakersfan34 02-04-2008 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mather View Post

Great thread, maybe a little asterisk at the end of your post to state....If one follows the above sequence, one will nearly have all the information to determine the correct sub for themselves and not require starting a thread asking for help.

But then how are we to look smarter than we really are by regurgitating the same information over and over again and having thousands of posts under our user names?

Good point, BTW!

Clever_User_Name 02-04-2008 06:26 PM

Hopefully I tackled most of the requisite parameters without being prompted!

OvalNut 02-04-2008 06:39 PM

One clarification I would make is that in place of a budget range, I'd just call it something like Maximum cost including taxes and shipping. We've all seen how every time a budget is mentioned, the max limit is immediately spent anyway, so let's just be grown up about it.

... definitely sticky this thread. Great idea lalakersfan34!


Tim

lalakersfan34 02-04-2008 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OvalNut View Post

One clarification I would make is that in place of a budget range, I'd just call it something like Maximum cost including taxes and shipping. We've all seen how every time a budget is mentioned, the max limit is immediately spent anyway, so let's just be grown up about it.

... definitely sticky this thread. Great idea lalakersfan34!


Tim

Good point...I almost did that already, and your recommendation gave me the incentive to change it. Done

SleeperSupra 02-04-2008 07:17 PM


Patdeisa 02-04-2008 07:39 PM

One more suggestion: post a link to the current Craigsub ranking page- it'll help give people a better idea of how different subs compare to each other. It seems like half of the newbie threads can be solved with just that link.

Subwoofer Rankings: https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

Bone215 02-04-2008 07:43 PM

very nice sleeper

lalakersfan34 02-05-2008 08:40 PM

Wonder if the mods would be so kind as to sticky this thread?

ImkSpyPlns 02-06-2008 07:34 AM

+1 for sticky

jhan1000 02-06-2008 07:44 AM

Great idea and I agree that this should be a sticky.

mailiang 02-07-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

Wonder if the mods would be so kind as to sticky this thread?

Seems like you got your wish. Congratulations Stephen!


Ian

deneb 02-09-2008 07:26 PM

Hey lalakersfan, do you think you could edit your original post to be applicable to speakers, or would you mind if someone else did? I.e. change the subwoofers you mention to speakers, etc. We really need a sticky covering this in the speaker forum as well.

lalakersfan34 02-09-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deneb View Post

Hey lalakersfan, do you think you could edit your original post to be applicable to speakers, or would you mind if someone else did? I.e. change the subwoofers you mention to speakers, etc. We really need a sticky covering this in the speaker forum as well.

As long as you pay me my royalty fees, feel free to do whatever you like

mailiang 02-10-2008 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

As long as you pay me my royalty fees, feel free to do whatever you like






Ian

mojomike 02-16-2008 09:09 AM

Lalakersfan, I just though of another possible item for you nearly complete list:

Timeframe: Many subs can be bought immediatly or within a few days, while other may be back-ordered for several months. How soon do you need it?

lalakersfan34 02-16-2008 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Lalakersfan, I just though of another possible item for you nearly complete list:

Timeframe: Many subs can be bought immediatly or within a few days, while other may be back-ordered for several months. How soon do you need it?

Great idea. I added it now, thanks

jimpet 02-23-2008 08:54 AM

Thanks

kinglerxt 02-28-2008 11:17 PM

Looking to replace my now dead Infinity BU1 powered subwoofer for my home theater setup. The BU1 was a 50 Watt 8" cone sub with 45 to 150 Hz freq response with 50-150 Hz crossover freq

Here is my info to help you recommend a good replacement for me:

I would like to upgrade to a 10" size cone sub from the 8" BU1. I dont think I need a 12" cone sub and dont think I (my wife really) can tolerate such a huge thing, but you guys tell me after looking at my specs below

Budget - limited as I just spent a load of cash on the rest of my system (see below) so I would say between $250 to $350

Color/quality - want a black sub to match the rest of my equipment and not be too huge

Room Size - 15 ft wide (left to right when looking at TV) x 26 ft long front wall to back wall, with vaulted ceilings

Distance from Sub to main listening areas - 13 to 15 ft

Listening ratio : 75% TV/Movies and 25% music

I dont need the music or movies at reference level but want to enjoy them at decent loudness levels when possible but mainly it will be normal levels

Music types I enjoy the most - Rock / Metal / Jazz / Pop
Movies - Drama / Action and Concert DVDs

My equipment list:
Panasonic TH50PZ700U plasma TV
Onkyo TXSR705 receiver (with the advanced HD codes decoding capability)
Pansonic DMPBD30 BluRay Player
Sony PS3
5 disc CD player
DirecTV Satellite TV (SDef now but soon to be HiDef)

Current Speakers 5.1 system -

- Infinity CC-2 Center Channel (10-100 watts; 90 to 20,000 Hz freq resp, xover 3,000 Hzl 110 db max output)
- Infinity Reference Series 2000.2 L/R surrounds (15 to 100 Watts; 50 to 20,000 Hz freq resp)
- JBL G300 main front L/R speakers (10 to 80 watts; 50 to 20,000 Hz freq resp; 600 Hz x-ove; 3 way with 8" woofer)
- and the dead BU1 needing replacement
No rear L/R for 7.1 yet

A few in other groups have suggested SVS or or HSU

I appreciate any and all suggestions

h0mi 02-29-2008 09:14 AM

What about placement... would that affect which subwoofer to buy (ie i want to put it directly under my tv, vs off to the side a little, vs elsewhere) or would that warrant its own thread?

lalakersfan34 02-29-2008 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by h0mi View Post

What about placement... would that affect which subwoofer to buy (ie i want to put it directly under my tv, vs off to the side a little, vs elsewhere) or would that warrant its own thread?

I'd say make your own thread for that...same with the previous poster. Placement is very important, but I think "aesthetics" and "size" pretty much cover "placement" (I went out on a limb when I made this thread and assumed people could measure for themselves to see what subs would fit in certain places ). I guess you might care if a sub is magnetically shielded if you're putting it right next to a CRT TV, but other than that, placement is something you'll have to experiment with and figure out for yourself. You'd be amazed what a difference even subtle changes in placement can make with regard to bass response, but only you can really figure that out after listening and trying different places yourself.

JimP 03-04-2008 12:46 AM

lalakersfan34,

May I suggest that all post except yours at the very first of this thread be removed and then lock the thread.

lalakersfan34 03-04-2008 01:04 AM

Not a bad idea - guess that's up to the mods, right? Or do I have a say in that?

1080eyes 03-05-2008 08:10 AM

great idea for a thread. I just purchased a Axiom EP 350 sub. The reasons I bought it are in not any order.
1. I didn't want to wait.
2. I'm going to use it as a end table. So the finish was a main factor.
3. I have other Axiom speakers and like the product and the service.
4. I though alot about doing a DYI sub, but I fugured the cost would be about the same. Plus I'm having a hard time understanding sub design.
So 2 week ago when I decided to purchase the Axiom sub I used the same 8 points in the 1 st post to make my decision.

lalakersfan34 03-05-2008 08:22 AM

Glad it helped . Enjoy your sub!

joeyg2391 03-11-2008 10:26 AM

I want to pair this with a pioneer elite VSX-94TXH. I want good solid performance on this sub. Also can you guys recommend a good site for newbies when it comes to learning the terminolgy and specs i should be looking for when it comes to speakers and subs in general?

Thanks

DrPainMD 03-19-2008 05:16 AM

Once you've purchased the subwoofer, check here for setup tips and stuff.

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1004573

pistolpete1969 03-28-2008 08:13 AM

hi all,

i'm new to this forum but need your assistance in finding a Sub that meets my needs for HT use with some music about 80% HT 20% music. I have a small child so i listen to the system at a medium range with some days at a loud level if my son is at his grandparents.

Following LALAKERSFAN34 rules before posting here goes:

Budget: Under $1000
Woofer size: 10- 12"
Room Size: 14.5' x 25' x 9' around 3250 cubic feet

My current HT consists of:

Pioneer Elite VSX 84 txi A/V receiver with PSB image T5 fronts and a PSB image c40 center and Boston accoustic in-ceiling DSi485 rears.

The T.V is a Samsung LNT-5271

What would you suggest to compliment this system?

pete

JimP 03-28-2008 08:31 AM

Lets give pete the award for including all the needed information......woops....where's the wife acceptance factor stuff..... take the award back.

sophieh 05-10-2008 07:49 AM

I'm considering changing powered subwoof (12" big, boxy, shiny black top) placement from corner to center of room under 'proposed' wall mounted flat panel display & then stacking shielded center channel spkr on top of the subwoof; any technical problems to anticipate re electronic or acoustic interference? Thanks for any tho'ts any may have.

chatanika 05-27-2008 01:48 PM

probably not ,but bass will sound different without the corner reinforcement

thewoogie 06-03-2008 04:44 PM

Great post but i have a question........ I need a sub what kind do i need? it has to Play bass. LOL\\
I have a real question what is a sticky thread?

kidsdoc 07-12-2008 07:53 PM

great post!

dei08dei 07-28-2008 06:58 PM

I have Polk RTIA3's for the front R/L. Polk CSIA5 Center and RTi4's (4ea) rear surround.
1. I have $500 for a sub.
2. My room is small: 18X11X8.
3. The sub can't be any wider than 15". Height and width are not a problem.
4. We watch a lot of movies. But I listen to music at least twice a week.
5. It will be behind a "tower" so I do not care what it looks like.
6. I would like to get it in the next week ot two.
7. My receiver is a Yamaha RX1400.

Any ideas? (If I hijacked this I am sorry).

Thanks:

Lucas _Walker 08-14-2008 11:22 AM

Those are all really great things to think about when purchasing a new subwoofer. You definetly have to worry about your budget. My subwoofer cost me $600 but it was well worth it! If you want some more great information go to my Home Theater Subwoofers blog.

JoelcE 08-19-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas _Walker View Post

Those are all really great things to think about when purchasing a new subwoofer. You definetly have to worry about your budget. My subwoofer cost me $600 but it was well worth it! If you want some more great information go to my Home Theater Subwoofers blog.

Wow, thanks, a link to a single-page ad for a book. No advice, no recommendations, no actual help. Just an ad for a book.

The Jerk store called, Lucas, and they're out of you.

Agent017 08-22-2008 08:17 AM

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Just setting up a plasma (58 panasonic) with blu ray (also pansonic) and surround sound but am new to all of this.

Will be watching sports/movies/some music - mostly via iPod connection.

Marantz sr4002
PSW100 polk subwoofer 10"
C600IW ADS in wall speakers x 3
C601C ADS in ceiling speakers x 1
rti t2+ remote

Thanks for any suggestions

lalakersfan34 08-22-2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent017 View Post

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Just setting up a plasma (58 panasonic) with blu ray (also pansonic) and surround sound but am new to all of this.

Will be watching sports/movies/some music - mostly via iPod connection.

Marantz sr4002
PSW100 polk subwoofer 10"
C600IW ADS in wall speakers x 3
C601C ADS in ceiling speakers x 1
rti t2+ remote

Thanks for any suggestions

Hi,

You might want to try starting a new thread. Also, I'm not sure if you're asking for help with system setup and calibration or want assistance in purchasing a new subwoofer. Assuming you want help picking out a new sub, try making a new thread and addressing the criteria on the first post of this thread .

EDIT: I see you did that just a little while ago. Hope we can all help.

E-A-G-L-E-S 08-22-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

lalakersfan34,

May I suggest that all post except yours at the very first of this thread be removed and then lock the thread.

+ 1 for this suggestion.
Mods, if you read this, please delete all posts after first post....we already have people asking questions in this thread.

Great job lakersfan...if only you would get a new BB team.

ndskurfer 08-22-2008 01:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent017 View Post

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Just setting up a plasma (58 panasonic) with blu ray (also pansonic) and surround sound but am new to all of this.

Will be watching sports/movies/some music - mostly via iPod connection.

Marantz sr4002
PSW100 polk subwoofer 10"
C600IW ADS in wall speakers x 3
C601C ADS in ceiling speakers x 1
rti t2+ remote

Thanks for any suggestions

Agent017 -

I think you missunderstood my suggestion to you earlier. I was referring you to this thread to read, then provide the details that we need in the thread you initially started. In other words - read the first post of this thread. We will take the information you provide and answer in your own post.

sjschaff 10-01-2008 10:24 AM

OK. So I've got a HT (the audio only system is downstairs) with the following:
Room is 15x13x8 that is a 2nd floor landing (so it's open to stairway to 1st fl).
Equipment includes Hales Rev 3 and Hales RevCenter with a pair of Sonus Faber Concertino satellites for rear. The current sub is a Def. Tech. PowerField 1500.
Using an Integra DTC 9.8 (Theta Intrepid amp for non sub speakers). Using Epson projector and screen clearance is about 18" (so this curtails placing a pair of subs at room front, I'm afraid)

Like to keep the cost of the sub under $2k.
Size is not an issue nor WAF. Not worried about looks (hey I use "ugly" open cage tube stuff in my audio system)
This is a dedicated HT.

Goal is effective and accurate low frequency response delivered from source to my ears.

From Craigsub list I was thinking of SVS PB-13 Ultra or similar Epik or ED but I'm not absolutely clear on which of these will work out best, let alone whether I need to even upgrade.

Aside: with my new pre (Integra) I've set it for LFE only (no other low frequency from other channels sent to the sub) with 80hz as low-pass filter (setting the control on the speaker all the way up to 100hz so that I'm avoiding it's electronics getting in the way of messing with the signals.

Not sure these are the right settings but I don't think I'm hearing problems (distortion) in my system. Anyone with insight....please chime in here.

Thanks

thirdeye11 10-01-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

OK. So I've got a HT (the audio only system is downstairs) with the following:
Room is 15x13x8 that is a 2nd floor landing (so it's open to stairway to 1st fl).
Equipment includes Hales Rev 3 and Hales RevCenter with a pair of Sonus Faber Concertino satellites for rear. The current sub is a Def. Tech. PowerField 1500.
Using an Integra DTC 9.8 (Theta Intrepid amp for non sub speakers). Using Epson projector and screen clearance is about 18" (so this curtails placing a pair of subs at room front, I'm afraid)

Like to keep the cost of the sub under $2k.
Size is not an issue nor WAF. Not worried about looks (hey I use "ugly" open cage tube stuff in my audio system)
This is a dedicated HT.

Goal is effective and accurate low frequency response delivered from source to my ears.

From Craigsub list I was thinking of SVS PB-13 Ultra or similar Epik or ED but I'm not absolutely clear on which of these will work out best, let alone whether I need to even upgrade.

Aside: with my new pre (Integra) I've set it for LFE only (no other low frequency from other channels sent to the sub) with 80hz as low-pass filter (setting the control on the speaker all the way up to 100hz so that I'm avoiding it's electronics getting in the way of messing with the signals.

Not sure these are the right settings but I don't think I'm hearing problems (distortion) in my system. Anyone with insight....please chime in here.

Thanks

Typically the subwoofer crossover (the one on the sub itself) should be set to the highest frequency possible. I doubt that you setting it at 100 is affecting much if anything, but the Integra should be doing its job at 80hz. Bump that knob on up to maximum which is probably more like 150hz. Then you know it's not affecting the signal at all.

Regarding which offering on the Craigsub list to choose. Within your budget of $2k the Epik Conquest is the way to go performance wise. Wait time is up to about 6 weeks right now, but even for a cost no object subwoofer the Conquest is very tough to beat. If your budget could increase over $2k then the eD A7-900 will give slightly more performance and is on par with the most accurate/musical subwoofers out there. Lead time on the A7-900 is about 5 weeks right now per Chris from eD. Either way you are waiting.

Even though WAF is not a factor, if you decide to go with the A7-900 you should measure your space to make sure you can fit it. It is an absolute monster and weighs over 400lbs.

sjschaff 10-01-2008 12:13 PM

Thanks for the rapid response. Turns out the variable low pass filter is 50-100hz so it's already as far as it will go (100hz).

I'll measure the space needed for the alternatives you describe. My only concern with Epik is their customer support which appears from all I've read as non-existent. I suspect all their $$$'s go into the product, but then if something goes wrong (e.g. an amp, driver, etc.) I wonder how responsive they will be.

new2this08 10-01-2008 12:37 PM

I would like to help me make up my mind. I am in the search for a sub. I originally was going to order a Def Tech SC III. Someone in Def Tech Forum Mentioned that I might look at other brands. Such as SVS, Epik or ??123 (sorry not sure abou the name). I was going to go with the Epik Valor out of those three since the Sub has a nice finished look. It is going in my living room. What I am considering is the Epik Valor, maybe a Klipsch RW-12d or a Def Tech SC II(found a great deal online on a new one).

Any thoughts? The sub will be matched up with some Def Tech Mythos Speakers.

sjschaff 10-01-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Typically the subwoofer crossover (the one on the sub itself) should be set to the highest frequency possible. I doubt that you setting it at 100 is affecting much if anything, but the Integra should be doing its job at 80hz. Bump that knob on up to maximum which is probably more like 150hz. Then you know it's not affecting the signal at all.

Regarding which offering on the Craigsub list to choose. Within your budget of $2k the Epik Conquest is the way to go performance wise. Wait time is up to about 6 weeks right now, but even for a cost no object subwoofer the Conquest is very tough to beat. If your budget could increase over $2k then the eD A7-900 will give slightly more performance and is on par with the most accurate/musical subwoofers out there. Lead time on the A7-900 is about 5 weeks right now per Chris from eD. Either way you are waiting.

Even though WAF is not a factor, if you decide to go with the A7-900 you should measure your space to make sure you can fit it. It is an absolute monster and weighs over 400lbs.

Looks as though the Conquest would be manageable, but not the ED unit. It wouldn't fit (and I'd probably need piano movers to get it upstairs even if it could fit). I'm still thinking the SVS unit might do the job as well (and again, I'm a tad concerned with Epik customer support).

thirdeye11 10-01-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by new2this08 View Post

I would like to help me make up my mind. I am in the search for a sub. I originally was going to order a Def Tech SC III. Someone in Def Tech Forum Mentioned that I might look at other brands. Such as SVS, Epik or ??123 (sorry not sure abou the name). I was going to go with the Epik Valor out of those three since the Sub has a nice finished look. It is going in my living room. What I am considering is the Epik Valor, maybe a Klipsch RW-12d or a Def Tech SC II(found a great deal online on a new one).

Any thoughts? The sub will be matched up with some Def Tech Mythos Speakers.

The SuperCube subwoofers do NOT match their proposed frequency response numbers. In fact the SCII probably only dips down into the 30's in terms of HZ. They list their frequency response, but don't tell you how loud it will be at that frequency. The real number is what we call an F3 or 3db less in loudness from the average response throughout, or in simpler terms what you can hear. So the SCII is a poor choice.

The Valor is a great sub and will meet any home theater needs, and music quite well. Their finish is also quite nice, but they are large. Want something a little more finished? Go with an SVS unit where you can get a real wood veneer. I still like the Epik offerings best for the money though. I evaluated all the options on the market, and ended up settling on an Epik Tower and it is incredible.

I would also pass on the Klipsch subwoofer you mentioned. You can get much better performance for your dollar than Klipsch subwoofers.

thirdeye11 10-01-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

Looks as though the Conquest would be manageable, but not the ED unit. It wouldn't fit (and I'd probably need piano movers to get it upstairs even if it could fit). I'm still thinking the SVS unit might do the job as well (and again, I'm a tad concerned with Epik customer support).

I bitched about not receiving "specs" from Epik customer support, but that is really my only complaint. Yes you don't get to talk to someone on the phone frequently, and no they won't update you as to when your subwoofer is going to come in unless you happen to get lucky and catch Karen or Chad on the telephone, and yes I think it's ridiculous. However, everything I have heard about this company's response to damage, bad amp, bad driver, any of that has all been handled very quickly. The good news is that I've only heard of maybe 3 or 4 people out of hundreds who had a problem. Their QC must be very good because I rarely hear of people having issues.

I have to tell you that based on what I've heard if you want ultimate HT performance the Conquest CANNOT be beat for its size in anything else commercially available. The PB13 will give it a run for its money in terms of accuracy on music, but for sheer visceral output the Conquest wins the day and that for me is ultimately what the selling point was for Epik.

YMMV

sjschaff 10-08-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

I bitched about not receiving "specs" from Epik customer support, but that is really my only complaint. Yes you don't get to talk to someone on the phone frequently, and no they won't update you as to when your subwoofer is going to come in unless you happen to get lucky and catch Karen or Chad on the telephone, and yes I think it's ridiculous. However, everything I have heard about this company's response to damage, bad amp, bad driver, any of that has all been handled very quickly. The good news is that I've only heard of maybe 3 or 4 people out of hundreds who had a problem. Their QC must be very good because I rarely hear of people having issues.

I have to tell you that based on what I've heard if you want ultimate HT performance the Conquest CANNOT be beat for its size in anything else commercially available. The PB13 will give it a run for its money in terms of accuracy on music, but for sheer visceral output the Conquest wins the day and that for me is ultimately what the selling point was for Epik.

YMMV

Went with SVS PB13-Ultra. Should arrive by tomorrow. The notion of buying something other than a toaster or other stand-alone unit without support seems shortsighted, at best. Since last week I've had numerous and extensive emails with numerous people in their organization who have helped me understand not only the basics but more complex issues of dealing with getting a new sub working well in my room. These have included details on the use of the controls on their sub, the placement within my gnarly room, getting the source tones from web sites, and running through testing via SPL meter, understanding the Audyssey process (using an Integra DTC pre), and many other issues.

If you've already been down this road then I say your need for any support is not like mine, but I at least know I've got a company at my back, more than willing to help me get the very best out of my system.

Zygon 10-22-2008 01:34 PM

I 'm looking for a sub to complement an Onkyo TX-SR606. Not sure what the other speakers will be yet.
Room size: 16 x 24
Reciever: Onkyo TX-SR606
Ps3
xbox 360

Used for
70% blu ray/hd-dvd
30% video games

buget: $400

lalakersfan34 10-22-2008 02:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zygon View Post

I 'm looking for a sub to complement an Onkyo TX-SR606. Not sure what the other speakers will be yet.
Room size: 16 x 24
Reciever: Onkyo TX-SR606
Ps3
xbox 360

Used for
70% blu ray/hd-dvd
30% video games

buget: $400

Hi,

Try making your own thread. This thread is sticky so people will see it, but you should make your own separate thread so we can discuss your personal situation.

mikedutch 11-30-2008 05:55 PM

Looking for a new subwoofer. I had a Velodyne HGS-12 that was fine for my taste but it just stopped working.

Budget: < $2000
Size: about 1 cubic foot or as small as possible
Room: 29'L x 25'W (725 sq ft) x 10'H = 7250 sq ft listening area but part of a "great room" that is double this size.
Use: HT and Music
Habits: Relatively low sound levels
Appearance: Patent leather/shiny piano black
Timeframe: Preferably before Christmas but no great rush

HT/Music System it will be a part of:

Receiver: Denon AVR-4308CI
TV: Pioneer Elite PRO-150FD
Speakers: Artison M-LCR, LRS-IW
DVD: Denon DVD-2910
DVR: DIRECTV Plus HD
Power Conditioner: RGPC 400 Pro

jparr0105 12-30-2008 09:22 AM

Can anyone help me with knowing if my home theatre subwoofer can go horizonatal instead of vertical? It is the Sony HT-SS 2300 system. I can't seem to fit it right side up in my wall shelving.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

Convicted Melon 01-15-2009 01:40 PM

1. Your budget: $500

2. Size requirements/limits: Small footprint needed

3. Room dimensions: 2200 cu ft

4. Primary uses: 70% HT; 20% music; 10% Games

5. Listening habits: Won't cross the -25 db on the master volume much

6. Appearance requirements: Wifee needs to approve

7. Timeframe: Need within a week

8. Currently own: DefTech ProSub800

9. Candidates: (Have not researched physical dimenssions on all just yet)

Hsu Research STF-2
Definitive Technology Supercube III
Velodyne DLS-4000R
SVS PB10

lalakersfan34 01-15-2009 04:36 PM

Hi Convicted Melon,

Considering that the subwoofer will be used mostly for HT duties, I'd recommend the SVS PB10-NSD as the best of those candidates. It will dig the deepest and should give strong output down to 20hz and even a bit lower. This deep extension really makes a difference with many movies. Just make sure it isn't too big. You mentioned you need a small footprint, and while the PB10-NSD is considered small or moderately sized to the people on this subwoofer forum, you might be surprised with how large it really is in person. As long as it isn't too big, I think the PB10 is an excellent choice. I've owned the PB10 in the past and can say from personal experience that it's a great performer - especially at its price point.

My second choice would probably be the Hsu. The STF-2 is said to pack a good punch and has good sound quality. However, it won't get quite as deep as the PB10, so you might miss out on some of the really deep bass in some movies with the STF-2. Still, at its price point it is a good choice, though I think the PB10 is worth the price difference, and since you can afford the PB10-NSD I'd go with it if I were you.

The Velodyne is a solid sub with good overall output, but it's lacking in extension. It will taper off before the Hsu and way before the SVS. It should pack a good punch like the Hsu (and SVS), but it just won't dig as deep.

The Supercube III has decent output in mid-upper bass, but its small driver and radiators simply don't allow it to go very deep at all with any authority. Unless the tiny form factor is an absolute must, I'd pass on the Supercube III.

Good luck with your decision.

clin157ton 01-19-2009 12:51 PM

Budget - $350, tax and shipping can be extra

Size -footprint up to 12"

Room Dimension - 10' x 15'

Primary uses - 70% HDTV, BD and 30% Music

Listening Habits - Adding a sub woofer to an existing 5.1 system, at normal volumes, looking to bring in the lower ranges to round out the listening range. On occasion, higher volume listening, not excessive

Appearance - no specific requirements

Timeframe - open for now

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Melodrama 01-20-2009 08:55 PM

Hello,
I am setting up my first media room and have very little CE experience. I have decided to go 5.1 and am purchasing Aperion speakers for my 5.1 system. I have considered getting the Aperion sub but others have gone with another manufacturer.

I have a Sony KDS60A3000, a Panasonic BD35, and a Denon 2309.

Budget - $500-800

Size -prefer smaller for space and WAF

Room Dimension - 11' x 24' in the basement

Primary uses - 70% HDTV, BD and 30% Music

Listening Habits - Moderate volume levels because of small children

Appearance - black finish

Timeframe - any

Thanks for any suggestions!

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 09:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clin157ton View Post

Budget - $350, tax and shipping can be extra

Size -footprint up to 12"

Room Dimension - 10' x 15'

Primary uses - 70% HDTV, BD and 30% Music

Listening Habits - Adding a sub woofer to an existing 5.1 system, at normal volumes, looking to bring in the lower ranges to round out the listening range. On occasion, higher volume listening, not excessive

Appearance - no specific requirements

Timeframe - open for now

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Hi,

Most of your requirements are relatively easy to follow in and of themselves, but the combination of your size requirement and budget requirement severely limits your options. Just to clarify, do you mean that your sub can't be any larger than 12" in any direction, or do you mean you don't want a larger woofer than a 12" woofer? It's definitely doable to find decent subs with 12" woofers for under $350, but to find a quality <$350 subwoofer with dimensions smaller than one cubic foot is going to be tough. Usually with subwoofer performance you can pick any two of these three: small, great performance, inexpensive. Unfortunately, since you need small and inexpensive, I doubt you'll be able to get a very high performing sub. Please respond to let us know if indeed the 12" size requirement is what I think it is. Once we know for sure, we'll see about recommendations.

clin157ton 01-21-2009 09:33 AM

lakersfan34,
I apologize for the confusion. As I'm sure you can tell I am a newbie. I was referring to woofer size and not the overall dimension. Since my initial post I increased my budget up to $450. I've also been reading about the SV PB10-NSD and the HSU VTF-1. Thoughts?

Thanks.

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 09:53 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clin157ton View Post

lakersfan34,
I apologize for the confusion. As I'm sure you can tell I am a newbie. I was referring to woofer size and not the overall dimension. Since my initial post I increased my budget up to $450. I've also been reading about the SV PB10-NSD and the HSU VTF-1. Thoughts?

Thanks.

No problem, nothing to apologize for. I'm glad to see I misinterpreted your post because you have a heck of a lot more options this way .

Both the PB10 and VTF-1 are good subs. I've personally owned the PB10 but not the VTF-1, so I can't give any personal feedback on the Hsu. That said, the general consensus is that the PB10-NSD will be the better of the two for movies, while the Hsu will probably have a small edge for music. As long as you aren't planning to listen really loud, either one is probably adequate for your 10'x15' room. One thing to make sure of: is the room closed off or does it open to other rooms? For example a 15x15 living room which opens to another 15x15 room is for all intents and purposes "bigger" than a single 20x20 room. The sub is required to energize the entire space, not just the listening area. If your room is truly 15x10 and is (or can be) closed off from other rooms, these two subs should have no problem unless you listen near reference levels.

My personal opinion: since you've listed TV/Blu-ray as 70% with music at 30%, you'll probably benefit from the added low end power of the PB10-NSD, so I'd probably go with the SVS. If your listening preferences were flipped (70% music, 30% TV/Blu) I might go for the Hsu instead. Either way, you'll be getting a good sub.

clin157ton 01-21-2009 09:56 AM

Thanks for the great information. The room is 1,350 cubic feet and not completely closed. One wall is partially open as this room is accessed from another room.

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by clin157ton View Post

Thanks for the great information. The room is 1,350 cubic feet and not completely closed. One wall is partially open as this room is accessed from another room.

Any idea how big the adjoining room is?

clin157ton 01-21-2009 10:04 AM

The adjoining room is virtually identical in size. The open wall space between them is 7' x 7' like a square 'archway'.

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 12:54 PM

Gotcha. So you're looking at around 2700 cubic feet, then. The PB10 should be able to produce decent bass in a space that size, though if it's lots of impact or pressurization you're after, you might want to save a bit more money and go for something bigger.

For example, if you can bump your budget to $500 you could look into something like the Elemental Designs (eD) A3-300. It has a larger 12" driver, a slightly more powerful amp, and a larger enclosure. It starts at $475, but it's totally worth it to spend an extra $25 to get the upgraded driver. Finally, if the rough standard black finish looks a bit too unrefined, for $35 you can get the sub in a smoother matte black finish. A nice thing about eD is that their prices include shipping. So if you go all out and get the A3-300 with upgraded amp and nicer finish, it'll cost you $535 to your door. If the finish doesn't matter, it'll be just $500.

Anyway, no pressure to spend more, but with your room really being closer to 2500-3000 cubic feet, you might benefit from something a little bigger than the PB10 and VTF-1. Best of luck.

clin157ton 01-21-2009 01:07 PM

Good information. And one last question. Is there another sub (different brand) that compares to the A3-300 that you would recommend?

Thanks very much.

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 01:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clin157ton View Post

Good information. And one last question. Is there another sub (different brand) that compares to the A3-300 that you would recommend?

Thanks very much.

At that price point, probably not. SVS's PC12-NSD should be comparable, but it's $549 plus another ~$60 shipping. I might personally prefer the PC12-NSD, but your budget is already getting pushed up little by little,and I'm trying not to push too hard.

clin157ton 01-21-2009 01:19 PM

Why not just get the PB12-NSD for $50 more!

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clin157ton View Post

Why not just get the PB12-NSD for $50 more!

LOL. It's up to you how much you really want to spend. Your budget as of two days ago was $350. You've since increased it to $450, and seem willing to go even higher. Of course, the more money you spend, the better the subwoofer you can get. However, I truly do try to be mindful of peoples' budgets. Nothing is more discouraging than to post for help and have everyone say "you need to spend $xxxxx more before you get anything worthwhile." The PB10 and VTF-1 are both capable subs that might do just fine in your room. The A3-300 with upgraded driver should be a noticeable step up in output from those two. I don't know how the PB12-NSD and PC12-NSD compare with the A3-300 - it's possible they are all pretty comparable.

To give you an idea of what your extra ~$170 would get you going from the PB10 to the PB/PC12, I do know that the PB12-NSD enjoys a ~3-4dB output advantage over the PB10. Whether that matters to you depends on your listening levels and room size. 3-4dB is a significant increase in output. It's not a night and day difference, but it's certainly noticeable.

I can guarantee you that if you stick around on this forum for any amount of time, you'll end up getting upgradeitis. Going for the bigger one now should help put that off a bit, but it's pretty much inevitable to want to upgrade at some point. Also, it can be cheaper in the long run if you spend a bit more to start with because you'll end up upgrading fewer times. Take it from me - in the past 2 years I've gone from a Velodyne VX-10 to an Infinity PS212 to a single PB10-NSD, added a second PB10-NSD, and finally sold those and got an Epik Castle. In hindsight, it would have saved me a lot of money to "go big" from the get go. I'm not saying you have to do it that way, and it's quite possible you won't get the bass bug quite as badly as I did. It's just worth considering.

Alright, enough rambling. Hope you can make an informed decision. Best of luck, and keep me posted. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have.

clin157ton 01-21-2009 02:34 PM

I just ordered the PC12-NSD after speaking with the folks at SVS. It made sense to go bigger. This being my first sub, I am hoping to hold onto it for a while.

I'm already developing a case of upgrade-itis. In the past few months I purchased a Samsung 52" 8 series, Denon AVR-2309, and now the PC12.

I'm already thinking of upgrading all my other speakers. Damn this AVS Forum.

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 02:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clin157ton View Post

damn this avs forum.

+100000000!!

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 02:42 PM

I think the PC12-NSD is a great choice. It should have lots of output and plenty of deep extension as well. The guys at SVS are awesome - glad you got the chance to talk to them. I've never had better customer service anywhere, period. I think you'll be thrilled. And don't worry, they have pretty good resale value so you might still get a decent amount for the PC12 when you upgrade to the PC13-Ultra in six months

clin157ton 01-21-2009 02:45 PM

Thanks for all your help.

I'll probably end up posting in several other threads when I can't get any of this stuff set up and configured.

YOU'RE KILLING ME!

lalakersfan34 01-21-2009 09:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melodrama View Post

Hello,
I am setting up my first media room and have very little CE experience. I have decided to go 5.1 and am purchasing Aperion speakers for my 5.1 system. I have considered getting the Aperion sub but others have gone with another manufacturer.

I have a Sony KDS60A3000, a Panasonic BD35, and a Denon 2309.

Budget - $500-800

Size -prefer smaller for space and WAF

Room Dimension - 11' x 24' in the basement

Primary uses - 70% HDTV, BD and 30% Music

Listening Habits - Moderate volume levels because of small children

Appearance - black finish

Timeframe - any

Thanks for any suggestions!

Can you define "small" for us? To some people on this forum a 20" cube is considered a small subwoofer while others want a tiny 12" cube or smaller.

Assuming you truly need a small sub, the SVS SB12-Plus is a sub with good sound quality in a small package. Owners claim that it has pretty decent output above 30hz but it doesn't have the low end grunt to deliver the deep <25hz movie materiel with any true power. Still, at its size and price class, it's probably about as well as you'll be able to do. The Aperions actually look decent but they don't dig very deep at all. The SB12-Plus should get lower than the Aperion 10D, though it's anyone's guess as to which has more output in the mid-bass.

If size really isn't as critical as you made it seem, given your emphasis on movies/HDTV you'll be MUCH better served by a larger ported sub. Hopefully you can provide some more specific size requirements. That will allow for more helpful suggestions.

daft_bw 01-23-2009 05:54 PM

Ok. Here's my plea for help......

I've read all the posts so far and I think I have an idea as to what I need but, I just want some opinions before I pull the trigger.

Looking for a new subwoofer. I had a Cambridge BassCube12 and the amp board is cooked.

Budget: $200-300 (I guess I could wait till the tax rebate arrives if I need more $$)
Size: Anything less than 18" x 18"
Room: 15'L x 12'W x 7.5'H = 1350 sq ft. Almost fully contained room wth a 4' doorway on one side of the room. Old sub was positioned at the front left corner of the room.
Use: HT and very rarely, some music
Habits: Medium sound levels on TV shows, medium to loud on movies.
Appearance: Black to match the other components but, other finishes can be used if necessary.
Timeframe: Next week or so....

HT/Music System it will be a part of:

Receiver: Sony STR-DA5000ES
TV: Panasonic TH42PX50U
Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks stuff. Old but, still usable..... (i know, i know...)
DVD: Sony DVD Player with upconverter through HDMI output.
DVR: DIRECTV Plus HD

Based on the posts I've seen and the size of my room, I'm guessing that the SVS PB10-NSD is a nice fit and the HSU STF-2 is decent for my Sq Footage.

This is the worst timing for a dead subwoofer since I just had to replace my bedroom TV and had to upgrade the clutch on my car recently.

Honestly, I'd try and fix this amp board but, it's a POS and I hate the way this BassCube operates.

lalakersfan34 01-23-2009 08:49 PM

Hi daft_bw,

The STF-2 would probably be a great sub for your space unless you really like to crank the volume during movies. It meets your size requirements and should be a good upgrade from the Cambridge you had before. It does exceed your posted budget, as it will be close to $400 after shipping. The PB10-NSD would be even better, but by the time you factor in shipping it'll be almost $500. If you need a sub soon and can afford to go with the STF-2, it's probably a good option.

daft_bw 01-24-2009 05:37 AM

Thanks for the feedback lalakersfan.

I think that I've found a used VTF-2 Mk1 that I can score for about $200 in really good condition. It has a felt covered exterior.

Do you think that would be worth it or should I just wait a bit longer and just get the STF-2 in new condition?

I guess what I'm asking is:

Is a VTF-2 Mk1 going to be a better piece of hardware or will the SFT-2 be more efficient due to it's newer design and size?

clin157ton 01-24-2009 06:41 AM

I'm waiting for delivery of my PC12-NSD. I need to get a cable. Are all subwoofer cables the same???

lalakersfan34 01-24-2009 08:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by daft_bw View Post

Thanks for the feedback lalakersfan.

I think that I've found a used VTF-2 Mk1 that I can score for about $200 in really good condition. It has a felt covered exterior.

Do you think that would be worth it or should I just wait a bit longer and just get the STF-2 in new condition?

I guess what I'm asking is:

Is a VTF-2 Mk1 going to be a better piece of hardware or will the SFT-2 be more efficient due to it's newer design and size?

You might want to start a separate thread asking that question because I don't have experience with those particular subs. One thing with the VTF-2 MK1 is that it is probably out of warranty - just something to keep in mind.

heatwave3 01-28-2009 05:43 PM

Lalakersfan...you seem very knowledgable about subs and I was wondering how you might rate B&W's AS-2 compared to some of the other recommendations you've made? Application is a 25/17 room that's a 2 story family room. Looking at driving the sub with an Onk 906 and a set of B&W m-1s. Really not looking to shake the house, just add a modest low end when watching movies. Setup will likely be 95% HD TV, home movies and HD cable.

If you have any recommendations where to get the AS2 on the net it would also be appreciated.


Quote:
Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

LOL. It's up to you how much you really want to spend. Your budget as of two days ago was $350. You've since increased it to $450, and seem willing to go even higher. Of course, the more money you spend, the better the subwoofer you can get. However, I truly do try to be mindful of peoples' budgets. Nothing is more discouraging than to post for help and have everyone say "you need to spend $xxxxx more before you get anything worthwhile." The PB10 and VTF-1 are both capable subs that might do just fine in your room. The A3-300 with upgraded driver should be a noticeable step up in output from those two. I don't know how the PB12-NSD and PC12-NSD compare with the A3-300 - it's possible they are all pretty comparable.

To give you an idea of what your extra ~$170 would get you going from the PB10 to the PB/PC12, I do know that the PB12-NSD enjoys a ~3-4dB output advantage over the PB10. Whether that matters to you depends on your listening levels and room size. 3-4dB is a significant increase in output. It's not a night and day difference, but it's certainly noticeable.

I can guarantee you that if you stick around on this forum for any amount of time, you'll end up getting upgradeitis. Going for the bigger one now should help put that off a bit, but it's pretty much inevitable to want to upgrade at some point. Also, it can be cheaper in the long run if you spend a bit more to start with because you'll end up upgrading fewer times. Take it from me - in the past 2 years I've gone from a Velodyne VX-10 to an Infinity PS212 to a single PB10-NSD, added a second PB10-NSD, and finally sold those and got an Epik Castle. In hindsight, it would have saved me a lot of money to "go big" from the get go. I'm not saying you have to do it that way, and it's quite possible you won't get the bass bug quite as badly as I did. It's just worth considering.

Alright, enough rambling. Hope you can make an informed decision. Best of luck, and keep me posted. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have.


lalakersfan34 01-28-2009 09:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

Lalakersfan...you seem very knowledgable about subs and I was wondering how you might rate B&W's AS-2 compared to some of the other recommendations you've made? Application is a 25/17 room that's a 2 story family room. Looking at driving the sub with an Onk 906 and a set of B&W m-1s. Really not looking to shake the house, just add a modest low end when watching movies. Setup will likely be 95% HD TV, home movies and HD cable.

If you have any recommendations where to get the AS2 on the net it would also be appreciated.

Hi,

Unfortunately I'm probably not as knowledgeable about subwoofers as you're hoping. I really haven't had much experience with B&W subs. My recommendation would be to start a thread of your own, as you'll get more replies there.

I'd also like to caution you that on this forum, the biggest bang for the buck is king. If you list a budget (which you should in the new thread you make ) you can be sure that people will automatically recommend the biggest, baddest sub you can afford from an internet-only company you've never heard of. If you're determined to get a B&W subwoofer so it matches aesthetically with the rest of your setup, I'm just warning you that you might not be met with very much helpful advice . That said, you don't need to get a B&W subwoofer just because you have B&W speakers - any quality subwoofer will sound great (it's not like matching speakers where it's important to have speakers that have similar sonic characteristics).

I wish you the best of luck. Start a thread and list some of the requirements that are in the first post of this thread. You should get some advice before long.

Stephen

Mahavali 02-02-2009 07:49 PM

i have a samsung ln52a650, xbox360, 2 iq7 towers, and am waiting for suggestions on the other speakers in other forums, i plan on getting a pioneer vsx1018/denon avr 1909.

Budget - $200-300, tax and shipping can be extra

Size -footprint up to 15"

Room Dimension - 13' x 16' x 13'h

Primary uses - 70% Gaming, 30% HT

Listening Habits - volumes in normal levels nothing crazily loud that will disturb the neighbors

Appearance - don't care

Timeframe - open for now

Position - behind tower, or next to TV

Thanks for your help.

lalakersfan34 02-04-2009 03:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahavali View Post

i have a samsung ln52a650, xbox360, 2 iq7 towers, and am waiting for suggestions on the other speakers in other forums, i plan on getting a pioneer vsx1018/denon avr 1909.

Budget - $200-300, tax and shipping can be extra

Size -footprint up to 15"

Room Dimension - 13' x 16' x 13'h

Primary uses - 70% Gaming, 30% HT

Listening Habits - volumes in normal levels nothing crazily loud that will disturb the neighbors

Appearance - don't care

Timeframe - open for now

Position - behind tower, or next to TV

Thanks for your help.

Hi,

It's going to be tough to figure out a decent subwoofer that's around $300 and has a 15" or smaller footprint in all directions. The rule is usually that there are three options:

output/extension
small size
low price

Unfortunately, you can only pick two of the three. There are some small subs out there that have decent output, but they cost a good deal more than $300. An example is the SVS SB12 Plus. It has a 15"x14" footprint and has plenty of output for listening in your medium-sized room at moderate levels, but it starts at $699 plus shipping. On the other hand, there are some very respectable performers out there in the $200-400 range but their footprints are a good deal larger than a 15" square (for example, the eD A2-300 has good output and extension for only $350, but its footprint is 18"x21.5").

Please let us know if your size and/or budget requirements are set in stone. I hope we can help you find something that fits your needs.

irish95 02-05-2009 10:33 AM

I think this thread is great. I am clueless and all these questions and answers have been really helpful, so here is my setup:

Budget 500 to 750--will go higher
Size doesn't matter
Room size 26x16x8(3328) that opens up to a 36x16 kitchen, the 26
foot wall runs perpendicular to the kitchen
Primary use 60% TV 20%movies 20%music(all kinds and will play fairly
loud at times)
Appearance doesn"t matter
Location in corner of room to the left of plasma on 26 foot wall
plasma faces the open kitchen area sub will be
about 12 to 15 feet from seating positions
Timeframe two weeks can wait if necessary

Plasma 810 elite will be upgrading to 111 soon
DVD Sony uppconverting BR coming soon
Receiver Denon 3806
Speakers Def Tech center Aperion 633 towers
Def Tech Surrounds(2)
Direct TV

I hope this is enough info. Thanks in advance for any help and advice.

adidino 02-08-2009 02:08 PM

I think it's great that you are taking the time to help people in selecting a sub. Great thread..

Here's where I need some input;

Currently have a single JL F113 with a second on the way. Plan to add the second one up front with my current F113.

What I'm hoping to acheive is heart pounding extreme LFE. I don't think even a second JL will give me that so I was considering a third sub strictly for the lowest freq. (30hz and below maybe?)

Room is about 12.5ftx21ftx8ft high. (deticated room)

I usually listen at about ref level or ~ +/- 3db from reference.

Room is pretty well treated for first reflection. Plan to add bass traps in the front corners soon.

Budget about $3k-$4k but if you have a solution for less, then great!

90% movies, the rest usually concerts..

lalakersfan34 02-08-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

I think it's great that you are taking the time to help people in selecting a sub. Great thread..

Here's where I need some input;

Currently have a single JL F113 with a second on the way. Plan to add the second one up front with my current F113.

What I'm hoping to acheive is heart pounding extreme LFE. I don't think even a second JL will give me that so I was considering a third sub strictly for the lowest freq. (30hz and below maybe?)

Room is about 12.5ftx21ftx8ft high. (deticated room)

I usually listen at about ref level or ~ +/- 3db from reference.

Room is pretty well treated for first reflection. Plan to add bass traps in the front corners soon.

Budget about $3k-$4k but if you have a solution for less, than great!

90% movies, the rest usually concerts..

Hi,

While I do enjoy helping people personally, the goal of this thread wasn't to be a subwoofer help service for people to come to me, the almighty subwoofer guru (trust me, I'm far from it compared to many people here on AVS) for advice. It's designed to help streamline the process. Start by searching the forum to see if you can find some answers that way - I'd venture to say that most of the questions and comparisons people have have already been answered or at least touched on in other threads. If you still don't find anything that helps you in your specific situation, start your own thread and try to address each of the criterion from the first post of this thread. This will help narrow down the recommendations you get. Best of luck

Stephen

P.S. BTW, since you did ask me personally, I'll give a response here. You already have a heck of a subwoofer in the F113. I've never had the pleasure of hearing one, but it is by all accounts I've read a superb performer in a relatively small form factor. However, since you're looking for "heart pounding extreme LFE," there are better ways to get more output for less money. I'm assuming Do-It-Yourself isn't on your radar. If it is, you can achieve ridiculous bass for $4,000 (or even a lot less), and there's a huge DIY Subwoofer forum here with tons of info. However, you could still achieve amazing bass with your budget without going the DIY route. My personal recommendation is to look into the Seaton Submersive. Here's a link to a thread about it:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/p...ost?id=1945927

The Submersive uses a high quality amplifier capable of a real 1,000 Watts sustained and dual opposing 15" drivers in a sealed enclosure for around $2,000 plus shipping. It's capable of tons of output and can extend to 10hz and below in most rooms. The Submersive is also said to have excellent sound quality. I'd expect the Submersive to handily best the F113 in upper bass output while widening the gap below 20hz. A pair would probably cost around $4,500 or a tad more after shipping, but I think dual Submersives would offer the "heart pounding LFE" you desire in your ~2,100 cubic foot room. If that's a bit over your budget, you could always sell your F113 to make up for it (though I could understand if it would pain you to part with such a beauty). If I were you, I'd contact Mark Seaton. You can find him on that forum I linked you to or PM him here on AVS (his user name is Mark Seaton). I'm sure there are other viable options, but dual Submersives sounds like the ticket to me. Good luck .

adidino 02-08-2009 08:59 PM

Thanks Stephen. I'll do some reading on it. Looks interesting..

Quote:
Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

Hi,

While I do enjoy helping people personally, the goal of this thread wasn't to be a subwoofer help service for people to come to me, the almighty subwoofer guru (trust me, I'm far from it compared to many people here on AVS) for advice. It's designed to help streamline the process. Start by searching the forum to see if you can find some answers that way - I'd venture to say that most of the questions and comparisons people have have already been answered or at least touched on in other threads. If you still don't find anything that helps you in your specific situation, start your own thread and try to address each of the criterion from the first post of this thread. This will help narrow down the recommendations you get. Best of luck

Stephen

P.S. BTW, since you did ask me personally, I'll give a response here. You already have a heck of a subwoofer in the F113. I've never had the pleasure of hearing one, but it is by all accounts I've read a superb performer in a relatively small form factor. However, since you're looking for "heart pounding extreme LFE," there are better ways to get more output for less money. I'm assuming Do-It-Yourself isn't on your radar. If it is, you can achieve ridiculous bass for $4,000 (or even a lot less), and there's a huge DIY Subwoofer forum here with tons of info. However, you could still achieve amazing bass with your budget without going the DIY route. My personal recommendation is to look into the Seaton Submersive. Here's a link to a thread about it:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/p...ost?id=1945927

The Submersive uses a high quality amplifier capable of a real 1,000 Watts sustained and dual opposing 15" drivers in a sealed enclosure for around $2,000 plus shipping. It's capable of tons of output and can extend to 10hz and below in most rooms. The Submersive is also said to have excellent sound quality. I'd expect the Submersive to handily best the F113 in upper bass output while widening the gap below 20hz. A pair would probably cost around $4,500 or a tad more after shipping, but I think dual Submersives would offer the "heart pounding LFE" you desire in your ~2,100 cubic foot room. If that's a bit over your budget, you could always sell your F113 to make up for it (though I could understand if it would pain you to part with such a beauty). If I were you, I'd contact Mark Seaton. You can find him on that forum I linked you to or PM him here on AVS (his user name is Mark Seaton). I'm sure there are other viable options, but dual Submersives sounds like the ticket to me. Good luck .


lalakersfan34 02-09-2009 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Thanks Stephen. I'll do some reading on it. Looks interesting..

Keep me posted on any news

lalakersfan34 02-09-2009 10:47 PM

Tony,

If you didn't stumble across this yet, here is a thread on Mark Seaton's forum in which a direct comparison is made between the F113 and Submersive. While there are no numbers or graphs, Mark makes a very good case for the Submersive (assuming size and finish aren't hindrances). Just thought it might be interesting.

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/p...ost?id=3184523

imillnotsick 03-09-2009 09:52 AM

whats good guys i have a porsche 944 nd i was thinkin about getting two earthquake tremorx-128 subs 1250 watts, Stitched leads, Spring loaded speaker connections, Anti wobble cone construction, TCT Technology (Turbine Cooled Transducer) for high effeciency output, Military grade single 8-Ohm voice coil any suggestions for an amp or for any other subs that would destroy the competition for 700-800 dollars

samsurd2 03-10-2009 10:47 AM

a) Punctuation is your friend (even if you're typing with your thumbs), especially if you'd actually like someone to bother reading this run-on sentence.

b) This forum is for Home Theater subwoofers, not cars.

Fedex1980 03-18-2009 07:25 AM

Hey guys, i´m in the process of buying a Subwoofer to compliment my actual setup. I have 4 Monitor Audio BR2 bookshelfs and matching centre channel.

Please take in mind that i live in Argentina, and unfortunately there a lot of brands that are not available here, for example: HSU, SVS, Epik.

1. Your budget. up to u$400 (here i´m going to pay about u$600-650)

2. Size requirements/limits. none, other than it´s a small room, so i cannot accomodate a monster sub.

3. Room dimensions. 11 x 14 feet

4. Primary uses. 65% HT, 35% Music.

5. Listening habits. I do like my volume loud, but nothing excessive.

7. Timeframe. i can only get retail here.

brands that are available in Argentina Polk, Jbl, Monitor Audio, Klipsch, Velodyne.

Some people from a forum here in Argentina recommended me to try the Klipsch Sub10 from the Sinnergy III line. any opinions? recommendations?

Thanks in advance!


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