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post #1981 of 2128 Old 07-28-2008, 12:12 AM
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Here's some shots from Dawn of the Dead. This was put out by Universal during the summer of 2007 and was probably the best catalog release as far as PQ goes (judging by the ones I own). Definitely not DNR'd





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I agree but I still have no idea as to why the reviewer at avforums gave a very low score.

http://www.avforums.com/movies/index...tlereview=9005

Wow. They gave it a really low score. I do agree with the overblown whites comment. Also some of the darker scenes aren't as good looking, but you can still see pretty good detail. as you can see from their faces, they have texture... even in the dark scenes you can see this texture...

I would give it an 8 or 8.5 /10 for PQ, It would be closer to 9.5 if it werent for some of those issues. But a 5/10.. no way...
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Sometimes it really helps if these so called "reviewers" have the proper equipment watching these movies.
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Sometimes it really helps if these so called "reviewers" have the proper equipment watching these movies.

Also helps if they watch the whole movie. My guess is that they dont.
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Not sure if anyone has already done captures for this movie. Either way, here are a few



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Looks slightly better than the average Universal catalog title. Slight EE.
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Hello. Thank You for this infomation. Please tell me more about Blu Ray Disc.

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Escape From New York

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WTF !!! is that.... ugh.... another filtered release !!!
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Random comments I've read:

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The BluRay is better than the DVD.

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It does not look anything like an upscale.

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Just because a BD's PQ is not as good as you'd hoped - or as good as it could be - doesn't mean it's an upscale.

From the review at DVDTimes:

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Whilst not perfect, Optimum's Blu-ray of this film is a significant improvement on their release of The Fog. Detail is strong but the same issue with the softness of the periphery of the frame is noticeable, contrast is very good for this rather dark movie and colours are handled very well indeed. There are very minor compression artefacts and one instance of aliasing, but watching this along with the Momentum special edition I was confident that this represented an improvement on the visual quality of that former release.

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amazing what a little contrast boosting and added color do.
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The hdnet sample DEFINITELY retains a layer of grain detail that is simply not there in the br sample. Who woulda thunk!...mpeg-2 pulls a rabbit out at a mere 18 Mb/s!

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Better than DVD in:
Detail (SLIGHTLY more even if you sharpen the DVD to extremes)
Compression

Worse than DVD in:
Shadow detail (heavy black crushing where the DVD actually has pic info)
Colors

So "better than the DVD" isn't even necessarily true here.

The DVD was clearly made from the same HD master as HDNet's. But the Blu-ray has different framing in all directions!

At least the menu is in HD. And it appears there's no DNR on it, so it could've been worse.

John White, the DVDTimes reviewer:
"If this turns out to be accurate then I am sorry I didn't spot the issues when reviewing the disc. I didn't have the benefit of another HD version to compare against and when I review Blu-ray discs I would admit that I am still learning about the format. Some things you just have to accept that you won't see as well as others who know the format better."

Seriously, we need reviewers that are more experienced with digital video and the manipulations applied to it. Anyone who thinks THIS is what a Blu-ray should look like is wholly unqualified.

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Better than DVD in:
Detail (SLIGHTLY more even if you sharpen the DVD to extremes)
Compression

Worse than DVD in:
Shadow detail (heavy black crushing where the DVD actually has pic info)
Colors

So "better than the DVD" isn't even necessarily true here.

The DVD was clearly made from the same HD master as HDNet's. But the Blu-ray has different framing in all directions!

At least the menu is in HD. And it appears there's no DNR on it, so it could've been worse.

John White, the DVDTimes reviewer:
"If this turns out to be accurate then I am sorry I didn’t spot the issues when reviewing the disc. I didn’t have the benefit of another HD version to compare against and when I review Blu-ray discs I would admit that I am still learning about the format. Some things you just have to accept that you won't see as well as others who know the format better."

Seriously, we need reviewers that are more experienced with digital video and the manipulations applied to it. Anyone who thinks THIS is what a Blu-ray should look like is wholly unqualified.

The DVDtimes guy gave it 8 out of 10!!! Just give up, man, you are clearly out of your league! LOL!!!
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Oh geez. The guy who's supposed to tell us what's good is asking us what to even LOOK for.
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For the eternal doubters.

eric.exe did a comparison of the StudioCanal logos, I'm extending what he did with actual matching frames.

Escape From New York - Trailer #1 - 1.85:1 - SD upscaled by me using Lanczos
00005.M2TS MPEG-2 Video 6282 kbps 576i / 25fps / 16:9


Escape From New York - StudioCanal logo (separate encode, plays before disc copyright screen) - 1.78:1 - "HD"
00011.M2TS MPEG-2 Video 29071 kbps 1080p / 24fps / 16:9


Terminator 2 - StudioCanal logo (separate encode, plays when France is selected on country menu) - 1.78:1 - HD
00085.M2TS VC-1 Video 10927 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3


Escape From New York - Movie encode - 2.35:1 - "HD"
00000.M2TS MPEG-4 AVC Video 22997 kbps 1080p / 24fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1


Terminator 2 - StudioCanal logo (separate encode, plays before movie) - 2.35:1 - HD
00128.M2TS VC-1 Video 16862 kbps 1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3


Note the similarities between the "HD" logos and the one I upscaled myself from the trailer that's actually encoded on the disc as SD. Then the massive dissimilarity to the logos from the T2 disc. But no, clearly this can't be an upscale. This is just a poor quality telecine of computer-generated graphics.

(On another note, I found it amusing that the DTS-HD instrumental music on the StudioCanal logos is tagged as French. )

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The HDNet broadcast looks to have the same oversaturated colors as the DVD. Ironically, the patterns on Snake's boots are sharper with the HDNet capture vs. the Blu-Ray.

Xylon have you checked out the MGM HD broadcast of Rebel without a Cause? It's also soft and has questionable DNR as well.
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The HDNet broadcast looks to have the same oversaturated colors as the DVD. Ironically, the patterns on Snake's boots are sharper with the HDNet capture vs. the Blu-Ray.

Xylon have you checked out the MGM HD broadcast of Rebel without a Cause? It's also soft and has questionable DNR as well.

No but kschmit2's screencap should answer that question.

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Xylon, are you going to do an toshiba XDE SD DVD comparison to Blu Ray.
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Xylon, are you going to do an toshiba XDE SD DVD comparison to Blu Ray.

Sincere question here...is that possible? Xylon does screen caps from his computer right? Without explaning the process (I know it's probably cumbersome), would he be able to take screen caps from a stand-alone player???

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Sincere question here...is that possible? Xylon does screen caps from his computer right? Without explaning the process (I know it's probably cumbersome), would he be able to take screen caps from a stand-alone player???

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Very sincere. I know that Xylon does screencaps via the computer, so I don't know if it is possible. I thought he could use a camera for the screen shots.

I would just like to see a comparison to see if it lives up to its hype.

Sorry, no agenda.
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Very sincere. I know that Xylon does screencaps via the computer, so I don't know if it is possible. I thought he could use a camera for the screen shots.

I would just like to see a comparison to see if it lives up to its hype.

Sorry, no agenda.

Not being accusatory, I only asked that way because I know that people do screen caps from DVR recordings and I was never clear on if they did so using the DVR with a fireware connection to a PC or some type of PC cable tuner hack. I agree it would be nice to analyze the caps of the XDE's performance, just trying to see if it was possible to have a level playing field.

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Xylon, are you going to do an toshiba XDE SD DVD comparison to Blu Ray.

That is going to involve using a camera pointed at my PJ.

So no.

But if someone is going to even attempt doing that, make sure you have the HT video setup of Art and 12+ megapixel DSLR
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That is going to involve using a camera pointed at my PJ.

So no.

But if someone is going to even attempt doing that, make sure you have the HT video setup of Art and 12+ megapixel DSLR

An analog HD capture card would also do this particular job, but these babies are expensive and I guess not many of us have access to one. Nevertheless, it would be very interesting to see how the XDE performs in comparison to "real" HD material.

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An analog HD capture card would also do this particular job, but these babies are expensive and I guess not many of us have access to one. Nevertheless, it would be very interesting to see how the XDE performs in comparison to "real" HD material.


Ohhhhh I forgot about that. Its probably better. All you need now is the $150 XDE and the Hauppage card $250 and you are set.
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