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markrubin 05-18-2007 01:07 PM

Industry Insiders Xbox and PS3 Q&A thread: : Xbox and PS3 ONLY Questions to Insiders only: only Insiders may answer

Rules of this forum, including the list of Insiders who may answer questions, are identical to the Industry Insiders Q&A Master Thread only Questions to insiders please except this thread is only for Xbox and PS3 issues

MidnightWatcher 05-18-2007 01:14 PM

Does the latest HD DVD update for the XBox 360 update the drive's firmware to improve compatibility, or is this improvement purely due to the playback software on the Xbox 360? The reason I am asking is because I use the add-on with my HTPC, and if the drive's firmware is updated I may need to "lend" my drive to a friend for a few hours.

RobertR1 05-18-2007 01:22 PM

Amir,

Is there place to go to get a proper list of upcoming movies released on Marketplace? It's quite random as catalog movie just show up out of the blue. If I hadn't scrolled through all the movies, I would have never known Italian Job, Braveheart and A Clockwork Orange were even available.

Karnis 05-18-2007 01:24 PM

MS insiders:
thanks for your continued particpation. Amir, you handle yourself on these boards with a great amount of class, humor & patience. I wish I had that type of obvious job security!

A quick question: I have a couple of the Star Trek TOS HD episodes on my 360 HD, and they were suffering badly from microstuttering to the point of distraction...Now after the update they play much smoother. Was this playback issue specifically addressed in the updates or is it more related to overall decoding improvements? I ask because I have refrained from downloading more content from XBLM due to the microstuttering I was experiencing, but I'd love to see Braveheart in HD!

ctiq21 05-18-2007 01:26 PM

Amir,

I posted a while back, but I didn't see a response, I was hoping you had some input.

Relentless Enemies still does not play on the 360 add on. I am dying to watch this film.

Any ideas on why it wasn't fixed in the update?

Richard Paul 05-18-2007 01:27 PM

Any news on when the 65 nm CPU will begin to be used in the Xbox 360 Elite?

vvista 05-18-2007 01:34 PM

Paidgeek,

We need the PS3 DTS-HD MA decoding capability update statement this week. It's been quiet all week. Thanks for sharing any info. you may have.

bkilian 05-18-2007 01:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Does the latest HD DVD update for the XBox 360 update the drive's firmware to improve compatibility, or is this improvement purely due to the playback software on the Xbox 360? The reason I am asking is because I use the add-on with my HTPC, and if the drive's firmware is updated I may need to "lend" my drive to a friend for a few hours.

No, no firmware update was included. We only updated the software.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctiq21 View Post

Amir,

I posted a while back, but I didn't see a response, I was hoping you had some input.

Relentless Enemies still does not play on the 360 add on. I am dying to watch this film.

Any ideas on why it wasn't fixed in the update?

Relentless enemies requires a firmware update, which is always a tricky undertaking. I'm not sure what our current plans are regarding this, since firmware updates tend to brick a device if they don't go perfectly.

1031982 05-18-2007 01:48 PM

When using the HD-DVD add on, how much processing power is used form the 360?
An estimated percentage is all I'm looking for.
Thanks in advance!

Andy Pennell 05-18-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1031982 View Post

When using the HD-DVD add on, how much processing power is used form the 360?
An estimated percentage is all I'm looking for.
Thanks in advance!

More than any other Xbox 360 title, except maybe Gears of War. See Shaheen's blog post on the subject.

Video decoding puts the most pressure on the CPU, esp H.264.

benwaggoner 05-18-2007 04:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

Is there place to go to get a proper list of upcoming movies released on Marketplace? It's quite random as catalog movie just show up out of the blue. If I hadn't scrolled through all the movies, I would have never known Italian Job, Braveheart and A Clockwork Orange were even available.

How about the "recently added" section in Movies and TV shows? That'll give you a list of the most recently 50 titles added, most recent at the top.

ColinH 05-18-2007 04:39 PM

BD insiders,

simple question - will the PS3 support the BD-J 1.1 and BD-J live specifications?

Thanks.

wickedbob 05-18-2007 06:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by benwaggoner View Post

How about the "recently added" section in Movies and TV shows? That'll give you a list of the most recently 50 titles added, most recent at the top.

One of the things missing from the dashboard since it was created is a "What's New" listing on the first blade after power-up - not just a list of movies, but a list of everything new (games, media, etc.) where individual items can be accessed directly.

After the recent update, I noticed that there is a "featured" section now on the marketplace blade but that is not quite the same thing.

Also props to the developers for speeding up the blade access times - makes a huge difference.

Is there a place where ordinary folk can submit feedback about the user experience on the 360 dashboard?

UxiSXRD 05-18-2007 07:08 PM

Are there any plans to update the Elite to allow 8Ch PCM over it's HDMI? This and 65nm are what i'd look forward as well as internal HDDVD drive (which I think is a futile hope, sadly enough)?

renamed 05-19-2007 10:42 AM

To all MS insider,
After getting the spring patch i noticed that i am no longer able to hear sound from certain videos. After doing some research, any video without a 5.1 soundtrack i will not hear it. For example, i had both LIve free or die hard trailer and 300 trailer. I can play the 300 trailer fine but when i play live fre or die hard trailer, i only get video. Before the patch, i was able to hear audio fine.

DId the spring patch change the audio configuration?

amirm 05-19-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karnis View Post

MS insiders:
thanks for your continued particpation. Amir, you handle yourself on these boards with a great amount of class, humor & patience. I wish I had that type of obvious job security!

A quick question: I have a couple of the Star Trek TOS HD episodes on my 360 HD, and they were suffering badly from microstuttering to the point of distraction...Now after the update they play much smoother. Was this playback issue specifically addressed in the updates or is it more related to overall decoding improvements? I ask because I have refrained from downloading more content from XBLM due to the microstuttering I was experiencing, but I'd love to see Braveheart in HD!

Yes, we have done a lot of optimizations in this release. The VC-1 decoder is now multi-threaded so it gets a major boost from that too. As a result, you should seem much smoother playback.

amirm 05-19-2007 10:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renamed View Post

To all MS insider,
After getting the spring patch i noticed that i am no longer able to hear sound from certain videos. After doing some research, any video without a 5.1 soundtrack i will not hear it. For example, i had both LIve free or die hard trailer and 300 trailer. I can play the 300 trailer fine but when i play live fre or die hard trailer, i only get video. Before the patch, i was able to hear audio fine.

DId the spring patch change the audio configuration?

Oh, someone from my old home town (I live in Ft Lauderdale while going to school in Boca).

We can't seem to duplicate these issues but the team is looking at them nevertheless.

amirm 05-19-2007 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by UxiSXRD View Post

Are there any plans to update the Elite to allow 8Ch PCM over it's HDMI? This and 65nm are what i'd look forward as well as internal HDDVD drive (which I think is a futile hope, sadly enough)?

Well, we always aim to improve our products. But I have nothing to announce on either one of these.

How is this for a non-answer?

renamed 05-19-2007 11:02 AM

Thanks Amir, one thing i forgot to mention, when i plug in my two RCA audio to my TV and play Live Free or Die Hard i can hear it on my TV speakers but not through my 5.1 system which goes through optical.

amirm 05-19-2007 11:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by renamed View Post

Thanks Amir, one thing i forgot to mention, when i plug in my two RCA audio to my TV and play Live Free or Die Hard i can hear it on my TV speakers but not through my 5.1 system which goes through optical.

Oh, that is a helpful hint! Let me pass it on to the team.

paidgeek 05-19-2007 11:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by vvista View Post

Paidgeek,

We need the PS3 DTS-HD MA decoding capability update statement this week. It's been quiet all week. Thanks for sharing any info. you may have.

I expect a new firmware update coming for the PS3 in the next couple of weeks with several new features and bug fixes. DTS HD MA is not one of them. To my knowledge, it is still being studied.

paidgeek 05-19-2007 12:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ColinH View Post

BD insiders,

simple question - will the PS3 support the BD-J 1.1 and BD-J live specifications?

Thanks.

Progress is being made in developing these features for PS3, but no dates have been announced for release.

As Amir noted in his presumptuous response for Sony Computer, software player applications are not trivial, but the PS3 supports Blu-ray very well and I suspect newly added features will have a similar level of solid implementation.

d2thez 05-19-2007 12:19 PM

Any Xbox Insider,

I love both the new Spring Dashboard Update and the HDDVD update, but I noticed 2 of my most wanted features haven't been implemented, or I am an idiot and missed them.

1. Can we get an option to have games and the Dashboard to render at 720p, but HDDVDs play at 1080i? Movies look better at 1080i on my TV, but games look best at their native 720p.

2. Can we get an option as to which drive tray opens when we press the Open/Close button on the media remote. Perhaps some type of timing system could be implemented where one quick press opens the console tray and 2 quick presses or a longer press opens the HDDVD tray. I would suspect most people who have the HDDVD drive play all media through the addon now so having the media remote open the console tray is a bit useless.

Again if these changes made it into the 2 latest updates, forgive me because I have been unable to find them. And if not, is there a chance for these options being added in the future?

Thanks!

PARASITE 05-19-2007 01:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by paidgeek View Post

I expect a new firmware update coming for the PS3 in the next couple of weeks with several new features and bug fixes. DTS HD MA is not one of them. To my knowledge, it is still being studied.

do you know if one of the bug fixes will be a selectable IRE for black level over hdmi? My hdmi picture is still washed out.

MichaelHDDVD 05-19-2007 04:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by d2thez View Post

Any Xbox Insider,

I love both the new Spring Dashboard Update and the HDDVD update, but I noticed 2 of my most wanted features haven't been implemented, or I am an idiot and missed them.

1. Can we get an option to have games and the Dashboard to render at 720p, but HDDVDs play at 1080i? Movies look better at 1080i on my TV, but games look best at their native 720p.Thanks!

This would be a great feature. I also prefer watching HD DVDs in 1080i and playing games in 720p. It would be nice to be able to set a default resolution for other medias

1. Games
2. HD DVDs
3. DVDs (for upscaling obviously)
4. For download content

So people can select their prefered resolutions, for example

1. 720p
2. 1080i
3. 480p (no VGA input on my TV)
4. 720p

home_theatre_man 05-19-2007 06:08 PM

Amir,

As others have said, many thanks to you and the other industry insiders for making yourselves available to AVSF users.

I've been playing around with the Xbox 360 for a while now and have a few questions for you. Feel free to pick and choose what to answer as you see fit.

First, it seems to me that the 5.1 tracks for HD DVD trailers from The Look and Sound of Perfect website streamed through Windows Media Player 11 and movie trailers from Xbox Live have especially heavy LFE hits. Are you aware of anything in the Xbox 360's decode/mix/encode process that would change LFE gain? Of course, it's possible that these trailer mixes are just LFE-intensive. Am I correct that the native audio codec is WMA?

Second, what are the chances that you could provide us with an official WMA/V 5.1 file to check channel levels for audio streamed from a PC or downloaded from Xbox Live? I am envisioning something like twenty seconds of 500 Hz to 2 kHz narrowband pink noise in each main channel and 40-80 Hz in the LFE at DN -31dB and -30dBFS and -40dBFS, respectively. If such a thing is publicly available, I am not aware of it.

Third, are there any plans to enable the DTS and WMA encoders for applications besides HD DVD playback?

Fourth, I have encountered some program material recently (primarily games) where the channel identification is apparently wrong - e.g. the C is coming from the R, the L/R are coming from the Ls/Rs, and the Ls/Rs are coming from the L and C. I am assuming this is an issue that should be taken up with the content provider directly?

Thanks again for being available to us.

Chase

amirm 05-19-2007 08:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by home_theatre_man View Post

Amir,

As others have said, many thanks to you and the other industry insiders for making yourselves available to AVSF users.

Our pleasure .

Quote:


I've been playing around with the Xbox 360 for a while now and have a few questions for you. Feel free to pick and choose what to answer as you see fit.

First, it seems to me that the 5.1 tracks for HD DVD trailers from The Look and Sound of Perfect website streamed through Windows Media Player 11 and movie trailers from Xbox Live have especially heavy LFE hits. Are you aware of anything in the Xbox 360's decode/mix/encode process that would change LFE gain? Of course, it's possible that these trailer mixes are just LFE-intensive. Am I correct that the native audio codec is WMA?

Yes the audio is WMA. I don't know why LFE is so strong. Have a question into the team. Will you know what I find out.

Quote:


Second, what are the chances that you could provide us with an official WMA/V 5.1 file to check channel levels for audio streamed from a PC or downloaded from Xbox Live? I am envisioning something like twenty seconds of 500 Hz to 2 kHz narrowband pink noise in each main channel and 40-80 Hz in the LFE at DN -31dB and -30dBFS and -40dBFS, respectively. If such a thing is publicly available, I am not aware of it.

Good suggestion. Let me look into this one also.

Quote:


Third, are there any plans to enable the DTS and WMA encoders for applications besides HD DVD playback?

Nothing to announce yet. But I am hoping we can do something in the future.

Quote:


Fourth, I have encountered some program material recently (primarily games) where the channel identification is apparently wrong - e.g. the C is coming from the R, the L/R are coming from the Ls/Rs, and the Ls/Rs are coming from the L and C. I am assuming this is an issue that should be taken up with the content provider directly?

Thanks again for being available to us.

Chase

Yes, this should definitely be taken up with the app developers.

FrancescoP 05-20-2007 06:21 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bkilian View Post

No, no firmware update was included. We only updated the software.
Relentless enemies requires a firmware update, which is always a tricky undertaking. I'm not sure what our current plans are regarding this, since firmware updates tend to brick a device if they don't go perfectly.

Can you make the firmware update optional? So the responsibility is ours as we accept the disclaimer?

cyberbri 05-20-2007 05:38 PM

Amir,

Before I posted for someone on the Xbox.com threads about his Vizio, and getting a different-looking picture between VGA and HDMI. You said you couldn't respond without more information.

He has posted this there, and taken 2 screenshots showing the comparison. Maybe you could take a look and at least pass this along, maybe offer an idea of what may be going on.

He has a VX32L Visio LCD, as labeled on the screenshots. The difference in the screenshots is very clear.

Quote:


I tried to post a message in the AVS Forum, but it would not allow me to post a url (it said I needed to have made 5 posts before I could post a url).

I'm wondering if you would do me a favor and post the following link in the AVS forum. It shows both screen grabs, and above each image are the Xbox output settings. I'd really appreciate it. Here is the link:

http://homepage.mac.com/mrbeave/Video/PhotoAlbum5.html

The color and sharpness of the VGA image blow the HDMI image away. They're not even close.

Thanks.


Thank you, Amir!!

zBuff 05-20-2007 05:59 PM

Isn't that just showing that the upscaling on the xbox is better than on the TV?

With the VGA you're output the native resolution, with the HDMI there's an addition process. The image is scaled up to 720p on the xbox then the tv upscales again to it's native resolution.

Not too sure about the colour differences though, could it just be the settings on the telly?

yeah yeah I know, I'm not Amir


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