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In the latest issue of HMM Richard Doherty a Media analyist with Envisioneering Group says " BD +, Unlike AACS, Which suffered a partial Hack Last Year, Won't likely be breached for 10 years." Doherty said "and if so The damage would effect one film and one player."

He also said BD + Offers 4 time the safeguards on top of aacs against piracy. All Blu-Ray Players are equipped with BD +.

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Doherty cited Sony theoretically releasing Spiderman 3 on Blu-Ray and allowing consumers to download the film to an Ipod or streaming copy on a home network. Should a breach occur in digital or physical form, Dohert said BD+ would let Sony circumvent the damage more quickly compared to AACS because the hacked movie could only be played on a particular Sony Player.

My question to you is do you think BD+ will be Unbreakable?

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I think this is misleading.

I firmly believe that you will be able to download an unprotected copy of the movie way earlier than 10 years after its released.

I think the copy protection will at least be circumvented via some sort of HDMI recording mechanism that appears to be HDCP compliant if nothing else.
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I think this an invitation to some computer wiz sitting by his monitor. Right now he is just sitting there laughing. there is nothing the engineers of these companies can come up with that the hackers out there can't come up with too. This is the same for all media formats. Those hackers are the experts. Not the engineers. I don't condone the illegal copying of these disks in any way, but I am also not naive in thinking that all others are honest with this stuff. 10 years is a dream case scenerio.

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Replace years by days...

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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I think this is misleading.

How is this misleading if this is what he said.

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I firmly believe that you will be able to download an unprotected copy of the movie way earlier than 10 years after its released.

This not what is being discussed. Bd + is the topic. please read carefully next time.
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How is this misleading if this is what he said.



This not what is being discussed. Bd + is the topic. please read carefully next time.

I think what he is saying is misleading, not what you are posting.

I think the content being protected will be made available without completely breaking BD+.

So for him to say that it won't be broken for 10 years is misleading because the content will be released to the wild even if the copy protection isn't completely bypassed.
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Although this is not adding much to the discussion, this was my intial response to the thread topic and article


...whatever.

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Good job egging on your eneimies.

Sigh...The world would be a much better place if people spoke with results instead of words.
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Replace years by days...

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Not sure who Richard Doherty is and whether or not he has been employed by the BDA in any capacity, but this means very little to me unless it is coming from the Doom9 guys. Yes, BD+ may be more secure than AACS on paper, but the proof will be in the pudding after the Doom9 guys take a crack at it...
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Not sure who Richard Doherty is and whether or not he has been employed by the BDA in any capacity, but this means very little to me unless it is coming from the Doom9 guys. Yes, BD+ may be more secure than AACS on paper, but the proof will be in the pudding after the Doom9 guys take a crack at it...

He's a Media Analyst for the Envisioneering Group it seems..

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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Even as a bigtime blu-ray supporter, that is comical.

Everything gets worked around.
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At the end of the day BD+ discs will be playable through software on PCs. And that means its practically destined to be hacked.

Every time I read something about BD+ its always to do about limiting the damage to a player, deactivating the player, whatever the player... Movies are not making it onto newsgroups, torrents and pirated DVDs because of compromised players.
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I doubt BD+ will stand up all that long and I'm pretty sure that certain insiders are hoping it fails miserably. BD+ working well would be a real blow to HD DVD IMO, since people can think that Universal doesn't care that much about this stuff, but if BD+ shows itself to be effective in ways that AACS hasn't been, then I think we will find out fairly quickly that Universal does care. And a similar thing with the BD ROM-Mark.

I want to see BD+ put out so we can find out the truth instead of just speculating about what will happen with it, though.

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We'll see
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it's comical that doherty actually believes this... hook... line... sinker.

BD+ will be cracked within weeks and get negative feedback that could last the formats lifetime. that's a pretty silly gamble right there.

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The only digital media format not to be hacked is SACD and that is probably becuase it was not allowed near a PC for playback and also becuase it wasn't popular. Bluray embraces PC based playback, BD+ wont last 6 months. This guy underestimates the incompetence of the HD playback software programmers.
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He states, "Unlike AACS, Which suffered a partial Hack Last Year". Hasn't AACS been completly hacked?
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This guy underestimates the incompetence of the HD playback software programmers.

Or competence.
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He states, "Unlike AACS, Which suffered a partial Hack Last Year". Hasn't AACS been completly hacked?

Thats the beauty of AACS, it has to be re-hacked over and over. So in the truest sense of the term, no it hasn't been completely hacked.
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At the end of the day BD+ discs will be playable through software on PCs. And that means its practically destined to be hacked.

Every time I read something about BD+ its always to do about limiting the damage to a player, deactivating the player, whatever the player... Movies are not making it onto newsgroups, torrents and pirated DVDs because of compromised players.

Correctamundo.

It's the PC that's the problem.

And there is another safe digital platform that wasn't ever hacked. Anyone ever use DTheater as a source for pirated content? I could be wrong ... but I don't think so. Those tapes don't play on a PC.

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What will this cost the companys using BD+ on top on the huge AACS fee?
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For every day, the BD+ remains unbroken, it builds credibility with ALL of the various studios to go exclusively Blu Ray. HD DVD has been broken. Blu Ray has not....and protecting the titles is what the studios want most.

Goodbye to a great audio and video genius and writer... JOHN GANNON. I enjoyed your friendship, wit and a nice long run we took around Indianapolis at CEDIA years back... and for buying my Runco 980 Ultra years back... you saved my ass! Rest in peace.
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I wish he wouldn't make claims like these
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A pure joke and a prediction he will come to regret. It will be hacked and wihin weeks not years. Way to throw down the gauntlet to the hackers. Some will never learn.

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Why not....he's a salesman (and the only game in town).

Goodbye to a great audio and video genius and writer... JOHN GANNON. I enjoyed your friendship, wit and a nice long run we took around Indianapolis at CEDIA years back... and for buying my Runco 980 Ultra years back... you saved my ass! Rest in peace.
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Nothing like baiting hackers! Good work!
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For every day, the BD+ remains unbroken, it builds credibility with ALL of the various studios to go exclusively Blu Ray. HD DVD has been broken. Blu Ray has not....and protecting the titles is what the studios want most.

Yeah, that's why you can find BD movies and HD-DVD movies on bit-torrent sites.

BD+ is like anything else, you throw enough genious minds at it and it'll fall, no. matter. what.

For every 100 guys they hire to create an "unbeatable" system, there are 1,000 guys willing to crack it just for the hell of it and another 10,000 ready to crack it for the profit.

You can bet on the 100 if you want, but I'll bet on the 11,000 any day of the week.
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