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So what does "Main book" versus "Optional book" mean?

The difference between a profile 1.0 HD DVD player and 2.0 perhaps?
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From my last chart it looks like HD DVD is also getting a "mini" disc like BD already has for the Hitachi CAM - an 8cm HD DVD,
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I do believe that in 2007 region coding is ridiculous, but there are studios that feel they still have to have it, so let them. Maybe it can be done in a way where it can be removed once whatever issue that needs it is resolved. Hopefully, the companies that are already HD DVD will show us how much they are anti-regioning and not do it.

What studio feels like they need it though? I've personally never heard of Uni or Paramount having a strong desire for it. I could have missed something though.

And plasma, don't paint everyone with the same brush. I'm not a proponent of region coding. Hopefully this is all just hypothetical discussions, and not seriously going to be implemented. Even if they do, maybe it'll be like Blu-Ray, where only some of the disks are affected by it, and not the format in its entirety.
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This is all useless without someone who can actually translate it. Until then.. not worth your breath in aguing. This is likely from the DVD Forum Japan Conference 2007 that was held today (Oct 4th).

There will be a similar conference, the DVD Forum North American Conference 2007 that will be held on October 9th in California. We will know more then.

And if anyone wants to get the rumor mills running rampant, check out the agenda for this conference. http://www.dvdforum.com/promo-NAconf2007.htm

Specifically :

1:15 PM KEYNOTE PRESENTATION: STUDIO PERSPECTIVES & UPDATES ON HD DVD

1:15 PM Ken Graffeo - Senior VP, Universal Studios Home Entertainment
1:35 PM Dan Silverberg, VP Hi-Def Marketing, Warner Home Entertainment
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So does all this mean that things on the HD side aren't as finalized as we were led to believe? I mean, new discs not being compatible with existing players seems mighty odd to me.

Maybe someone needs to go to a sushi bar later today and ask one of the employees to translate this stuff for us so we know what's actually being said.
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When I clicked on this thread, I was thinking there was some actual news here. Until we get a real translation, the conclusions of the poster are just speculation.
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So what happened to HD-DVD's "region coding is bad for the consumers" stance? I'm interested to see how the hd-dvd fanboys are going to spin this one.
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1:35 PM Dan Silverberg, VP Hi-Def Marketing, Warner Home Entertainment

So? They dabble their toes in both pools. Warner had representation at other Blu Ray events if I'm not mistaken. Still, anything is possible I suppose.
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Thread Title needs to be changed.

VERY MISLEADING
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I imagine that any region coding could just be included in a firmware upgrade if they get it out of the research stage. Particularly on early units like the HDA1 since it's pc in a box mostly.

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I mean, new discs not being compatible with existing players seems mighty odd to me.

Why would that seem odd to a BD adherent?
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Thread Title needs to be changed.

VERY MISLEADING

I agree. I suggest:

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First of all, no-one should take this very seriously until a good translation is in place.

Secondly, I would think it's best for HDDVD to keep their format as is. Yes, they have some downsides compared to BD (smaller capacity, no region coding - which users love, and studios don't...), but isn't it a big part of the format's "charm" that it is a fixed format, no risk of players being obsolete etc? Does HDDVD want to go the same way BDA is going?
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So what happened to HD-DVD's "region coding is bad for the consumers" stance? I'm interested to see how the hd-dvd fanboys are going to spin this one.

Maybe like this?

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First of all, no-one should take this very seriously until a good translation is in place.

I'm not taking it as gospel, but it's just as fair to speculate based on this limited information for one side as for another.
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Region coding is bad for the customers. One of the two main reasons for me to choose HD DVD for now is, that it´s region free.

- an HD DVD owner

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Thread Title needs to be changed.

VERY MISLEADING

I agree. And as an "HD DVD fanboy," I'm STILL against region coding.
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I agree. I suggest:

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Well I reported it, so we'll see...
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Thanks Grubert, "Player Performance Level 1 and 2" can be a bigger topic At least this part can't become clearer than that slide and description...
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Once again . . I have to ask . . why is this chart being shown? Would they show a chart of two disc formats that didn't work? Does that make sense to anyone?

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Once again . . I have to ask . . why is this chart being shown? Would they show a chart of two disc formats that didn't work? Does that make sense to anyone?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...rt/dvd1_10.jpg

Why? That is just a comparison chart that hilights different points in bold.
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I'm not taking it as gospel, but it's just as fair to speculate based on this limited information for one side as for another.

sure, and if you read my other posts, you'll see I come down hard on the HDDVD side, because they seem a lot more aggressive in this regard lately.

I haven't chosen side yet, personally (if I ever will)
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Why? That is just a comparison chart that hilights different points in bold.


No it isn't. It is a chart of all the different variations of HD DVD.

There are 7 catagories to the chart (left side):

1. - Unknown

2. Disc Size (in CM)

3. Layers

4. SL - HD storage

5. DL/TL - total storage - HD (DL Twin only has a SL of HD)

6. Unknown (encoding because China is different?)

7. Unknown
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I haven't chosen side yet, personally (if I ever will)

No need for you to do so really. I've chosen Blu Ray because I bought a PS3 and I like the increased capacity of the format. And I prefer for format to win to speed adoption. And since I own only one format...well presto, I support that format.

So if you can be a moderate voice even in threads like these - well please continue.
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So what happened to HD-DVD's "region coding is bad for the consumers" stance? I'm interested to see how the hd-dvd fanboys are going to spin this one.

It *IS* bad for consumers... at least, it's worse than no region coding. But why do things have to be so black-and-white? If adding region coding brings Fox and Disney aboard (speculation), it could end this war and actually get HDM to take off as a consumer product. (Have you seen how pathetic software sales numbers are right now?)

So, it's more of a shade of gray. Adding region coding will limit the flexiblity that owners currently enjoy. But it may add two powerhouse studios to the fold. Consumers can decide for themselves whether that is a net positive or negative.

Personally, while adding region coding seems like a bit of a "deal with the devil" to me, I'd do it if I knew that Fox and Disney would come onboard. I may hate myself in the morning, but I'd still do it.
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Has it not occured to anyone that Region Coding (of course!) for a Twin Disc applies to the DVD layer only, but not the HD DVD layers? This would be 100% in compliance with both.
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So if you can be a moderate voice even in threads like these - well please continue.

if all posters here could be a moderate voice...: please

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if all posters here could be a moderate voice...: please

Can we change the title of the thread?
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Thanks Grubert, "Player Performance Level 1 and 2" can be a bigger topic At least this part can't become clearer than that slide and description...

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