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If it is the DVD layer of the twin format which is going to have region coding then this isn't news.
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Can we change the title of the thread?

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Quote "If it is the DVD layer of the twin format which is going to have region coding then this isn't news."

Aside from the other part about the compatability.
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yes


suggestion please?

It does seem to be about that Tokyo conference at the root. So I think Lee's earlier title would be more than fair.

Edit: "Japanese DVD Forum Conference 10/4/07" - From Lee
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It does seem to be about that Tokyo conference at the root. So I think Lee's earlier title would be more than fair.

Edit: "Japanese DVD Forum Conference 10/4/07" - From Lee

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"DVD Forum Japan Conference 2007" is the name of the event.
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I hope we can get this properly translated, some of it doesn't make any sense.
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thread title edited

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Thanks Grubert, "Player Performance Level 1 and 2" can be a bigger topic At least this part can't become clearer than that slide and description...


Performance levels 2 players are about the ability to do extra's such as analog outputs and decoding for multichannel and additional storage capabilities on network drive or usb memort sticks.

Nothing special to FUD about.

Stereo is simply Multichannel light.
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What is their obsession with triple layer?

Can we please please please get 34gb Dual layer discs please? That's all I ask. 34gb is a huge benefit because the 30gb is on a fine line between "just right and not enough".

I'm curious why they haven't persued this as well. If you note all of those slides show 15 gb/layer for all formats except the TL51. You'd think if it were straightforward to implement that it would be a no brainer. Maybe there's a second issue with compatibility for existing players besides reading the third layer. I think the obsession with TL51 is just to take a talking point away from the BDA. Which would work better if they raised the bw, as was rumored at one time.

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According to the DVD Forum's scrolling site update list - this seminar is available . . . in Japanese only . . . . to DVD Forum members only



http://www.dvdforum.org/forum.shtml
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Heh, liked the original title of the thread better.

But yeah... why couldn't region coding be implemented via future firmware update to G1 and G2 players?

Performance Level 1 is current players, huh? Ah my irony meter is well into the "highly amused" category.

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Performance levels 2 players are about the ability to do extra's such as analog outputs and decoding for multichannel and additional storage capabilities on network drive or usb memort sticks.

Nothing special to FUD about.

What is extra and what is not? It depends.
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AV Watch covered the event; that's all anyone needs to know. They won't have missed any points of interest, so access to the actual seminar is secondary. All that's required is a good translation of the article - something that's a matter of when rather than if.
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I'm curious why they haven't persued this as well. If you note all of those slides show 15 gb/layer for all formats except the TL51. You'd think if it were straightforward to implement that it would be a no brainer. Maybe there's a second issue with compatibility for existing players besides reading the third layer. I think the obsession with TL51 is just to take a talking point away from the BDA. Which would work better if they raised the bw, as was rumored at one time.

capacity isn't as much an issue as bandwidth, i don't see how 30gb capacity and 34gb capacity would make any diff w/o an increase in bandwidth since that is the primary limiting factor at this time for hd dvd. too bad there's on mention of it on the charts.
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51GB discs... paying for studio support... region coding. It seems to me that the HDDVD group is more interested in becoming a new BD... rather than supporting their original core values.

Next thing you know.... HDDVD+ Encryption
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capacity isn't as much an issue as bandwidth, i don't see how 30gb capacity and 34gb capacity would make any diff w/o an increase in bandwidth since that is the primary limiting factor at this time for hd dvd. too bad there's on mention of it on the charts.

Bandwidth is a non-issue considering the fact that movies like The Matrix have reference video quality + lossless audio + all the standard secondary audio tracks + 4 audio commentaries + IME to boot, but simple facts like that get in the way of Blu-FUD
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capacity isn't as much an issue as bandwidth, i don't see how 30gb capacity and 34gb capacity would make any diff w/o an increase in bandwidth since that is the primary limiting factor at this time for hd dvd. too bad there's on mention of it on the charts.

Correct. Personally I hope they do up the bandwidth as it would benefit blu-ray owners as well from neutral studios like Warner. That is if they took advantage.
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Bandwidth is a non-issue considering the fact that movies like The Matrix have reference video quality + lossless audio + all the standard secondary audio tracks + 4 audio commentaries + IME to boot, but simple facts like that get in the way of Blu-FUD

it is an issue when you have encoders saying they left off lossless audio b/c of bandwidth limits and they decided to dedicate more to video. whether the diff between 1.5mbps and lossless can be heard isnt an issue here. the issue is the bandwidth is a limiting factor. i'm talking about nature's journey here, which is only a little over an hour long. not posting any fud, simply my opinion. while you may have matrix with great video and lossless audio plus all the ime stuff, you also have titles like the host and nature's journey where lossless audio had to be left off in favor of video.
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It's amazing that so many BD supporters have no idea what a "finalized spec" means.

Here's a news flash for you. The PS3 is a finalized spec, however some PS3s may have more or less features than another. This isn't an unfinalized spec, it's a question of features available to a model.

How hard is that to understand?

Example #2: HD DVD's final specs call for a secondary video decoder (SD is mandatory, HD is optional.) BD has no requirements at all for this CURRENTLY, but a second decoder will be REQUIRED on all players after a certain date. This is an unfinalized spec, and once in place, assuming no other mandatory specification updates, BD will be a finalized spec.

That doesn't mean that upgrades to utilize HDMI 1.5 when it's available or adding analog outs on a player cannot happen.
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if they are to implement region coding, how will that effect current players that arent region coded?

It would give them very high resale value
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It would give them very high resale value

Pretty simple, eh?
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Apart from New Line none of the HD DVD studios are interested in regional coding, they wouldn't implement it just for New Line.
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Here is the schedule of events to take place/have taken place at this conference:

http://www.dvdforum.org/promo-japanconf.htm

All I see are the word "update" so I am still confused about this translation.

Plus I see nothing denoting Region Encoding:

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Update on DVD/HD DVD Content Protection Technology

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Guest speech-1 "Reexamination of Copy Once"

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Guest Speech-2 "Recent Trends In U.S. Legislation and Legal Cases Regarding Copyright Protection"

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Plus I see nothing denoting Region Encoding.

Where are you looking at?

"DVD Forum TCG/WG Activity Report" and see the first post in this thread.
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Where are you looking at?

"DVD Forum TCG/WG Activity Report" and see the first post in this thread.

I am looking at the DVD Forum's published AGENDA for this conference as I linked in my post above.
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What is extra and what is not? It depends.


Follow the link to the emedia info given earlier.
Similar info is stated in the HD DVD spec doc.
And from the slide you can make out what the profiles are about.

Since I have 5.1 analog outs, usb ports, a network port an a powerful processor under the hood of my profile 1 player I expect that a mere firmware upgrade will upgrade my player to profile 2 level.
Is it is now it only lacks the ability to add additional fixed storage space because the firmware is missing the code to enable that feature.

The regio coding thingy is what make's me worry.

Worse case is that somewhere in the future it gets added and that some of not all new releases in some near or distant future get region coding.

We always new that rc was under consideration. And that it wasn't high on the agenda.

Now that it creeps into the agenda it could be an indication that there may be talks between with some exclusive some studios wanting rc coding and the DVD forum. (Are you still happy about HD DVD getting region coding )

However the dodgy translation can mean diffrent things.

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Furthermore, with present marketing HD DVD video title, the region cord/code is not granted, there is no restriction in playback every of area, but with the DVD forum examination concerning region control is being advanced.

Fairly clear what this means.

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HD DVD-ROM (HD DVD video) the region control technology which is difficult to be torn,

I read this as HD DVD rc will be difficult to hack.

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unlike DVD concerning the control of the region playback in, is examined. You use simultaneously whether or not,, necessity whether or not with it examines also the fact that you say, that you say.

Now this needs a far better translation.
Looks like a remark that there should be parity between dvd and hd dvd regioncoding.
It can also mean as much as 'why bother with hd dvd region coding as dvd rc coding turned out to be easiliy hacked'.

Stereo is simply Multichannel light.
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one thing would be fairly certain. if hd dvd does implement region coding, a lot of sigs here will need to be changed.
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PLEASE . . .

Let's not confuse nomenclature . . .

HD DVD does NOT have "profiles" - only BD does.

Players are grouped as "generationX (1,2 and now 3)"

Discs are grouped as "formats"

Updates to a disc format are called "revisions"
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Here is the entire agenda for this conference:

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DVD Forum TCG/WG Activity Report

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Update on DVD/HD DVD File Spec.

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Update on HD DVD Physical Spec.

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Update on HD DVD-Video/Video Recording Spec

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Update on HD DVD on Red Laser disc Network (AH0-16/23)

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Update on DVD/HD DVD Content Protection Technology

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Guest speech-1 "Reexamination of Copy Once"

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Guest Speech-2 "Recent Trends In U.S. Legislation and Legal Cases Regarding Copyright Protection"

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Update on DVD-R/RW Media & AH0-21's Activity report

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Presentation "CSS Download"

Presenters
1) From Contents Industry: Mr. K. Hase (Warner Bros.)
2) From Disc/Media Industry: Mr. J. Ishihara (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co., Ltd.)
3) From Software Industry: Mr. J. Taylor (Sonic Solutions)

Panel Discussion "Expectations on CSS DOWNLOAD - EST-1 Model"

Moderator: Dr. H. Kano (Sanyo)
Panelists:
- Mr. H. Mimura (WG-1 Chair, Toshiba),
- Mr. S. Taniguchi (WG-6 Chair, Pioneer)
- Mr. K. Hase (from Contents Industry, Warner Bros.)
- Mr. J. Ishihara (from Disc/Media Industry, Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co., Ltd.)
- Mr. J. Taylor (from Software Industry, Sonic Solutions)

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