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Is the DVD Forum for all intents and purposes, dead? It no longer has the clout it once did, and it is pretty clear that an endorsement doesn't mean much. Will it even be around in ten years?

Note: this is NOT a flaming topic. The same question could be posed to the BDA, except the time horizon would have to be expanded to twenty years.

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The DVD Forum is still relevant for matters concerning SD DVD, and should Blu-ray win the format war as seems likely, it should be remembered that most BDA members are also DVD Forum members. I think pragmatism will rule the day and a closer working relationship will emerge.
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The most logical thing would be for the two organizations to merge and to direct the on-going future of optical HDM. It is time to stop the arguing and move forward.
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With DVD still the choice of consumers - then yes the Forum still has alot of clout.
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Does the DVD Forum have any clout these days?

Does the United Nations have any clout these days?
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The most logical thing would be for the two organizations to merge.

Why?

DVD Forum should handle DVD and nothing else.

Was the group behind VHS involved in DVD?
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I think the DVD forum should approve a quad-layer, 4x speed update to the DVD standard as well as adding DD+ and DTS-MA.
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I think combining the 2 would be bad. BD and DVD have very different patent structures and some of the DVD members may not want to see evolution out of DVD. The new forum would get bogged down in partisan politics like they did in the HDM war.
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The most logical thing would be for the two organizations to merge and to direct the on-going future of optical HDM. It is time to stop the arguing and move forward.

Back a few months ago, the CEO of Sony kind-of said the same thing. He, then, wished they all worked a little harder initially to resolve their differences, instead of splitting off into two formats.

IMHO, it was because that HD DVD and Blu-ray were both really loosing, and not because of their format wars, but because consumers really didn't have a strong need for any HD disc format.
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The most logical thing would be for the two organizations to merge

Why? The BDA is the DVD forum but with a few of the big companies (Universal, Paramount, MS, Toshiba) declining to join.

It still amuses me that people have an over-inflated idea of what the DVD forum actually is. It's simply a group of companies that sell DVD related products. It has nothing to do with HD DVD or Blu-ray, both separate products. The DVD forums involvement with HD DVD was in name only and sadly that confused a lot of people into thinking that the whole forum (ie Sony, Phillips, Matu****a etc.) were involved in HD DVD, clearly not the case.
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Why? The BDA is the DVD forum but with a few of the big companies (Universal, Paramount, MS, Toshiba) declining to join.

It still amuses me that people have an over-inflated idea of what the DVD forum actually is. It's simply a group of companies that sell DVD related products. It has nothing to do with HD DVD or Blu-ray, both separate products. The DVD forums involvement with HD DVD was in name only and sadly that confused a lot of people into thinking that the whole forum (ie Sony, Phillips, Matu****a etc.) were involved in HD DVD, clearly not the case.

It is from my understanding that when sony's disk was brought to the dvd forum in 2002 it was voted down by the dvd forum 11 against 8 for and those angry 8 decided to start a new BDA.
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What do you mean by "clout"?
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What do you mean by "clout"?

I think he meant gout? adam sandler sings about that his grandma has the base of the, "gout"
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Is the DVD Forum for all intents and purposes, dead? It no longer has the clout it once did, and it is pretty clear that an endorsement doesn't mean much. Will it even be around in ten years?

For high def, DVD Forum is effectively dead.

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The DVD Forum is still relevant for matters concerning SD DVD, and should Blu-ray win the format war as seems likely, it should be remembered that most BDA members are also DVD Forum members.

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The BDA has no bom bom stick so the curent optical media king is SD-DVD! Long live the king! Give me some sugar baby!
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With DVD still the choice of consumers - then yes the Forum still has alot of clout.

Yep. We, my friend, are the minority. We are the ones in need of more clout!
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Is the DVD Forum for all intents and purposes, dead? It no longer has the clout it once did, and it is pretty clear that an endorsement doesn't mean much. Will it even be around in ten years?

Their record so far:
DVD Video - success
DVD Audio - failure
DVD-R, DVD-RW - tie
HD DVD - failing

Except for DVD Video, the forum has not had much success getting its products accepted by the industry or by the consumer.

I also hope that everyone realize that the forum is a mostly a marketing organization for promoting DVD technologies and standards. It has no legal or moral standing. If the forum cannot provide products that people want, then they will go elsewhere.

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The DVD forum could not accept Blu-ray.

The format is to broken with all the incomplete specs and what not. They would go crazy trying to get everyone on the same page so all the movies would work the same on all the players lol.

Maybe one day in 3 to 5 years when everyone will have the same spec player.


EDIT: Just kind of mad... I want a good priced blu-ray player that's not the PS3 that I will not have to worry about upgrading once a better spec comes out like 2.0. I guess I will have to wait a while...
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Their record so far:
DVD Video - success
DVD Audio - failure
DVD-R, DVD-RW - tie
HD DVD - failing

Except for DVD Video, the forum has not had much success getting its products accepted by the industry or by the consumer.

I also hope that everyone realize that the forum is a mostly a marketing organization for promoting DVD technologies and standards. It has no legal or moral standing. If the forum cannot provide products that people want, then they will go elsewhere.

The Forum does have legal rights:

1. It issues the license to allow a manufacturer to use the all important DVD logo.

2. It sets the guidelines for construction of DVD's both for players and discs.

You have made too little of the success of the Forum because it is tied to DVD. Any variations of DVD still come under the heading of DVD.
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The Forum does have legal rights:

1. It issues the license to allow a manufacturer to use the all important DVD logo.

2. It sets the guidelines for construction of DVD's both for players and discs.

You have made too little of the success of the Forum because it is tied to DVD. Any variations of DVD still come under the heading of DVD.

All of the above are just normal contract law covering licensing of a given product/technology. It only affects companies who are interested in participating DVD technologies.

There isn't a government mandate requiring the industry to participate in the way that the FCC requires all OTA broadcast to use the ATSC standard. So if the DVD Forum doesn't offer people what they want, they will go elsewhere. And they have, with the expection of DVD Video. HD DVD is not the first time one of their initiatives have failed.

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Again, "clout" to do what? And why would a consumer care?
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The DVD Forum controls the greatest video format ever. Something that the BDA will never be able to claim. I'd say they still have a lot of clout.
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We speak as if the DVD Forum and the BDA are sentient beings with feelings or moral compasses. Both these bodies are marketing and licensing organizations setup by the member companies to handle the affairs of the DVD shiny disk. When the majority of the CE and studio members decide on change, they will behave accordingly, and when the members that make up the organization are transitioning over, at some point, it will cease to have any meaningful engagements, it could very well be merged just to minimize red tape. That will only happen if a majority of the CEM and studios wills it, though.

Oh, wait a minute. Never mind.
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The DVD Forum controls the greatest video format ever. Something that the BDA will never be able to claim. I'd say they still have a lot of clout.

Never is beyond any of our abilities to positively know (just ask Sean Connery). If you can know that then you can know next weeks lotto numbers.
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Well, like the Lilliputians, the DVD forum was probably feeling almighty....and then Gulliver stopped in to say 'hi'.

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Well, like the Lilliputians, the DVD forum was probably feeling almighty....and then Gulliver stopped in to say 'hi'.

Jeff:

Is it 96/04 or 98/02 - as far as DVD versus BD - for stats . . . I can't remember
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Jeff:

Is it 96/04 or 98/02 - as far as DVD versus BD - for stats . . . I can't remember

Lee, lets step back about 10 years:

Is it 96/04 or 98/02 - as far as VHS versus DVD - for stats . . . However, I do remember
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This is Post No. 28 and nobody has been able to explain what "clout" might mean in this context or why anyone should care. Odd.
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Never is beyond any of our abilities to positively know (just ask Sean Connery). If you can know that then you can know next weeks lotto numbers.

Calling this and calling the lotto are entirely different things. Saying that BD (or HD DVD for that matter) will never be as big as DVD is a safe bet.
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Influence; pull: "Women in dual-earner households are gaining in job status and earnings ... giving them more clout at work and at home" (Sue Shellenbarger).
Power; muscle.

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