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Oppo 203 4k Vertical Stretch

Apparently the Oppo 203 has a vertical stretch mode, and lots have confirmed it does but noone has actually tried it on 4K with A-lens from what I have read. Has anyone here got it and tried?

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Apparently the Oppo 203 has a vertical stretch mode, and lots have confirmed it does but noone has actually tried it on 4K with A-lens from what I have read. Has anyone here got it and tried?
I don't have the player but one of the writers I work with does. I've just sent him a message asking if he can test this.
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Apparently the Oppo 203 has a vertical stretch mode, and lots have confirmed it does but noone has actually tried it on 4K with A-lens from what I have read. Has anyone here got it and tried?
My coworker tested the vertical stretch while playing a UHD disc and confirmed that it does work. At least, it did on the title he tried. There is a possibility that, much like playing 3D discs, some titles may be authored with BD-Java to lock out the function. But the initial indication is that it works.

I've asked him to try the subtitle shift function next.

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My coworker tested the vertical stretch while playing a UHD disc and confirmed that it does work. At least, it did on the title he tried. There is a possibility that, much like playing 3D discs, some titles may be authored with BD-Java to lock out the function. But the initial indication is that it works.

I've asked him to try the subtitle shift function next.
Many thanks for taking the time to do this.
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Will be awesome if there's a confirmation that this player can vertically stretch all 4K movies. But, for those like me that has their anamorphic lens fixed in place, can it also horizontally squeeze 4K movies that are in the 1.78:1 or 1.85:1 aspect ratio?
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Many thanks for taking the time to do this.
I really didn't do anything except pass along the request. I'll convey your gratitude the next time I talk to him.

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Will be awesome if there's a confirmation that this player can vertically stretch all 4K movies. But, for those like me that has their anamorphic lens fixed in place, can it also horizontally squeeze 4K movies that are in the 1.78:1 or 1.85:1 aspect ratio?
The user manual is available in the "Support" section of the oppodigital.com site. Page 29 (34 of the PDF) shows that the player has a so-called "1:1" mode that will horizontally compress an image. The intent of that is to pillarbox 4:3 DVD content on a 16:9 screen. However, it should work the same for 16:9 content on a CIH screen.

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I received this note tonight with some good news:

"Just tested Crouching Tiger UHD, and you can shift the subtitles, which I suppose means it can be done with all UHD titles."
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I really didn't do anything except pass along the request. I'll convey your gratitude the next time I talk to him.
Great thanks for passing along and getting confirmation. I'm not sure I want to get it yet, as there are some reported issues that bother me like frame drops/skipping playing 4k UHD discs, over saturation in red when using the strip HDR metadata function..

Although its currently the cheapest way to apply an anamorphic stretch on 4K.. sigh...
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Will be awesome if there's a confirmation that this player can vertically stretch all 4K movies. But, for those like me that has their anamorphic lens fixed in place, can it also horizontally squeeze 4K movies that are in the 1.78:1 or 1.85:1 aspect ratio?
While stretch works on all 4K movies I have, cycling through the zoom function produces no horizontal squeeze. It works the same as previous Oppos.
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So does this feature mean that I can vertically stretch a 16:9 movie to fill my 2:35 screen without an A lens? Would this also work with movies on my hard drive played through the oppo?

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So does this feature mean that I can vertically stretch a 16:9 movie to fill my 2:35 screen without an A lens?
No, you would need a horizontal stretch for that, not vertical.

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While stretch works on all 4K movies I have, cycling through the zoom function produces no horizontal squeeze. It works the same as previous Oppos.
Correction. It does have horizontal squeeze.
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So does this feature mean that I can vertically stretch a 16:9 movie to fill my 2:35 screen without an A lens? Would this also work with movies on my hard drive played through the oppo?

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Only if you zoom out the projector to fill the 2.35 screen then use the 21:9 Cropped to resize the 16x9 to the cropped CIH. You have complete scaling over content input to HDMI in.
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Only if you zoom out the projector to fill the 2.35 screen then use the 21:9 Cropped to resize the 16x9 to the cropped CIH. You have complete scaling over content input to HDMI in.
But that would pillarbox the 16:9 image in the center of the 2.35:1 screen, wouldn't it? He wants to watch the movie stretched sideways.

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But that would pillarbox the 16:9 image in the center of the 2.35:1 screen, wouldn't it? He wants to watch the movie stretched sideways.
Yep. But then he can use Full and it stretches it horizontally though it distorts the picture. Or one more click to 21:9 which corrects geometry but further shreds the picture.
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So does this feature mean that I can vertically stretch a 16:9 movie to fill my 2:35 screen without an A lens? Would this also work with movies on my hard drive played through the oppo?

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Also, Is there an option to perform a horizontal stretch for a 16:9 movie to fill a 2:35 screen?

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So does this feature mean that I can vertically stretch a 16:9 movie to fill my 2:35 screen without an A lens? Would this also work with movies on my hard drive played through the oppo?

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With out the A-Lens, geometry is distorted.
There is a centre crop mode but of course this means that you are chopping off the ends of the movie.
It looks OK though with little to no scaling artifacts that I could see.
If you hate black bars and are OK with not preserving OAR this mode will be useful.

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Vertical stretch

So is the oppo the only 4k player that does the vertical stretch needed for lens. My vivitek dlp does not have the stretch option. I really want to use lens instead of zooming but theres not many options for streching 4k? Thanks Jim
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So is the oppo the only 4k player that does the vertical stretch needed for lens. My vivitek dlp does not have the stretch option. I really want to use lens instead of zooming but theres not many options for streching 4k? Thanks Jim
There is OPPO 203 at under a grand and then there is the Radiance VP at about $6K.

What I find annoying is that the BDA has never adopted anamorphic encoding even thought the format would support it at the same data rate. And to add salt into an already open wound, the latest BenQ projectors I've played with this week ($2500 and $10,000) both have had an electrical Vertical Compression mode called "Scope". Why on Earth would this be used if not for 21:9 encodes?

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So does this feature mean that I can vertically stretch a 16:9 movie to fill my 2:35 screen without an A lens? Would this also work with movies on my hard drive played through the oppo?

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What you want is to zoom the light path to fill the width of the screen, then use the OPPOs zoom mode options, but NOT the 21:9 mode. There is a half zoom mode that will centre the 16:9 image inside the Scope screen without distortion.
When you want to watch Scope, you use the normal or full mode. The black bars are shot off the top and bottom.

This method is called the shrink method and keeps the pixels the same size.

So the 203/205 would need to have this magic 21:9 mode disabled first.

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Update on this topic.

OPPO 203 21:9 mode works for SDR and HDR-10. It WILL NOT work for Dolby Vision or any UHD HDR content at 2160/60P.

If you don't have an A-Lens, then you can use the OPPO 21:9 CROPPED mode to do the "shrink method".

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Update on this topic.

OPPO 203 21:9 mode works for SDR and HDR-10. It WILL NOT work for Dolby Vision or any UHD HDR content at 2160/60P.

If you don't have an A-Lens, then you can use the OPPO 21:9 CROPPED mode to do the "shrink method".
I can confirm that the OPPO processing does indeed work on USB inputs. I was handed a flash drive with the 58gig file of the 2160p of SOLO. It quote L3 "it works".

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Hi,

i am using a Sony VPL VW 1100 ES and an Cine Digitar XL LENS 1.25 Anamorphot.

Is it possible to use the Oppo 203 to use "Vertical Stretch" (using HDMI IN at Oppo) and "Horizontal Squeeze" the image so the anamorphotic lens can stay at its place before the projector lens?

Do i understand you right that this vertical stretch and horizontal sueeze does function in all modes - but NOT in 4k/60p Mode?

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i am using a Sony VPL VW 1100 ES and an Cine Digitar XL LENS 1.25 Anamorphot.

Is it possible to use the Oppo 203 to use "Vertical Stretch" (using HDMI IN at Oppo) and "Horizontal Squeeze" the image so the anamorphotic lens can stay at its place before the projector lens?

Do i understand you right that this vertical stretch and horizontal sueeze does function in all modes - but NOT in 4k/60p Mode?

Thanks for your answers )

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I believe you need a 1.25 stretch factor for your lens and projector. The Oppo is built for 1.33 x stretch for a standard 16x9 panel, where yours has a 17x9 panel. So, not compatible. Does the Sony projector not have an internal stretch mode for this? IN a JVC it is called anamorphic B.


The 4k/60 limitation is for previous generation JVC projectors. The Oppo can stretch all the way to 4k/60, but, again, it is set for 1.33x.
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Hi Scott,

thank you for your answer . Then the oppo is not the right player for me.

Unfortunately the Sony 1100 ES does the vertical stretch and horizontal squeeze only up to 1080p mode and not in 4K mode.
I think the only possibility would be using a Lumagen Radiance Pro or to buy a new Sony 4k Projector or one of the JVC N models.

The JVC N series can stretch and squeeze the picture in 4k/60p mode i think - with the new firmware obviously also with stretch factor 1.25 - not only 1.33 like before.

The 4k/60p limitation is only caused by the oppo? Or ist there any limitation when using a Panasonic 9004 and a JVC N9 for example?

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The 4k/60p limitation is only caused by the oppo? Or ist there any limitation when using a Panasonic 9004 and a JVC N9 for example?
I am not aware of any 4k/60 issue in the Oppo. If there is a Dolby Vision problem, that will apply to any licensed player. The Oppo has been used to overcome a 4k60 issue in JVCs, but the Oppo itself is very convenient for those who need 1.33x scaling and does do 4k60.

As you mentioned, you would need to use a Lumagen instead of Oppo, or sell the projector and put all the money into a new 17x9 projector that has built in scaling for your 1.25 lens. There is no good reason for you to prefer Oppo over Panasonic as the passthrough capability of the Oppo will not be useful to you.
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