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I really wish broadcasters would bump their bugs up into the picture area (and out of the letterbox bars) when broadcasting shows that are wider than 16:9. Lookin' at you, CW. Having the bug spill down into the letterbox bars messes with the aesthetics of the widescreen presentation, and of course is problematic for anyone projecting onto a properly-masked screen.
Or, better, shrink it down so that it's only in the letterbox bar and we can ignore it completely.

I've been watching Briarpatch on USA, which is a 2.35:1 show. The network bug is almost totally in the letterbox bar, except for the very tops of the letters, which intrude a little bit into the bottom of my screen. I find that very annoying.
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Just a quick rant - posting here because I think those following this thread are the only 0.001% of viewers who would care...

I really wish broadcasters would bump their bugs up into the picture area (and out of the letterbox bars) when broadcasting shows that are wider than 16:9. Lookin' at you, CW. Having the bug spill down into the letterbox bars messes with the aesthetics of the widescreen presentation, and of course is problematic for anyone projecting onto a properly-masked screen.

I'm sure there is an infinitesimal number of people in the world projecting broadcast TV with the network bugs onto a screen, but still.

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Being in the .001% of the .001% that read this thread and have a screening system that allows for CIH and also IMAX, I have to say I haven’t noticed or been annoyed by seeing the full Bug partly on the image and or partly in the IMAX area and partly the image. It is the same for sub titles having a place for them to go is a benefit IMO when they are placed in the black bars.

I have thought a lot about are these TV shows being non-movies actually wider than 16:9 or are they shorter than 16:9 as they would be more intended for the other .999% of the viewers. Despite the small percentage of viewers IMO they present well as assumed wider and like you I enjoy them that way. It is a logical follow thought process after you assume Prestige TV can be wider than TV to assume it can also be taller than TV as movies are out there taller than scope also.

Although I haven’t watched “Black Monday” yet I think I will be able enjoy the TV show as Scope-like and also the flashbacks Academy-like even though they are not scope or academy movies. I play my Academy movies taller than CIH (scope/flat) now so it should present well for me.

Also having screen area for the play/pause/time to display is nice when watching Prestige TV.

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Although I haven’t watched “Black Monday” yet I think I will be able enjoy the TV show as Scope-like and also the flashbacks Academy-like even though they are not scope or academy movies. I play my Academy movies taller than CIH (scope/flat) now so it should present well for me.
The 4:3 flashback scenes in Black Monday are meant to look like VHS on an old CRT TV. Have fun reconciling that with treating it like a classic Academy Ratio film projected in a movie palace.

Anyway, the season's third episode is constant 2.35:1 with no flashbacks.

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The 4:3 flashback scenes in Black Monday are meant to look like VHS on an old CRT TV. Have fun reconciling that with treating it like a classic Academy Ratio film projected in a movie palace.

Anywhere, the season's third episode is constant 2.35:1 with no flashbacks.
Sounds like the director made a grave error in judgment. As I mentioned I haven’t seen the show and I assumed the effect was used like it was in The Grand Budapest Hotel and a flashback to those years. You are correct if he wanted to flashback to 1950s TV he should have sized the image way down to look like a 19” 4:3 TV with rounded corners.

I watch Perry Mason and Twilight Zone etc. in our media room all the time off of streaming sites. I size them down as far as my zoom allows. What would really be perfect if I could find an app / mask that framed the stream in an old Zenith console TV set with a lighted tuner. That would be retro.

Maybe I should float the idea with Netflix to give me the option to stream it that way.

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Sounds like the director made a grave error in judgment. As I mentioned I haven’t seen the show and I assumed the effect was used like it was in The Grand Budapest Hotel and a flashback to those years. You are correct if he wanted to flashback to 1950s TV he should have sized the image way down to look like a 19” 4:3 TV with rounded corners.
The show is set in the late 1980s. The flashbacks only go back a few years to the early 1980s.

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The show is set in the late 1980s. The flashbacks only go back a few years to the early 1980s.
1980 doesn’t seem that long ago. Parents rocked 25” floor consoles and the kids if lucky got a 19” portable for the bedroom. Most of them still had knobs. CRT screens were starting to flatten out and the image corners were more square.

So ya a period correct size and shape for the flashback would be more convincing. Not the IMAX size you described. I do see the huge pixel size effect used a lot in movies and TV sometimes as a backdrop for the 60’s-70’s.

All we can say is right or wrong it is what the director wanted.

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The WGN America network has a new series called Almost Paradise premiering tonight. One of these trailers is standard 16:9 while the other is letterboxed to scope. If anyone watches this, can you confirm here what the actual aspect ratio is? I don't get that network in my cable package. Thanks.



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The WGN America network has a new series called Almost Paradise premiering tonight. One of these trailers is standard 16:9 while the other is letterboxed to scope. If anyone watches this, can you confirm here what the actual aspect ratio is? I don't get that network in my cable package. Thanks.

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WGN aired the first episode in the 16:9 ratio.
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I do not plan to subscribe to the new streaming service Quibi that launches today. My understanding is that all of its original content is designed to instantaneously switch from landscape to portrait layouts when you rotate your phone, so I wouldn't expect anything to have an aspect ratio wider than 16:9. If anyone does check it out and finds something notable that should be added to this list, please let me know.

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I do not plan to subscribe to the new streaming service Quibi that launches today. My understanding is that all of its original content is designed to instantaneously switch from landscape to portrait layouts when you rotate your phone, so I wouldn't expect anything to have an aspect ratio wider than 16:9. If anyone does check it out and finds something notable that should be added to this list, please let me know.
It’s funny we have adapted Home Theater to include presentation modifications based around TV AR and now we will be adapting a cell phone media potentially to the big screen.

I wonder if any of the Quibi directors have commented on how their productions will play with big screen immersion levels? I generally watch cell phone media at about 6X Screen Height immersion.

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It’s funny we have adapted Home Theater to include presentation modifications based around TV AR and now we will be adapting a cell phone media potentially to the big screen.

I wonder if any of the Quibi directors have commented on how their productions will play with big screen immersion levels?
Quibi is only available for mobile devices. You cannot watch it on a TV or projector.

The reports I've read state that all of Quibi's content is photographed almost exclusively in tight close-ups. When you rotate the phone to portrait layout, the rare two-shot of people will change to a split-screen with one person's face on top of the other.

There is zero intent for big screen immersion, unless you plan to set your phone on the bridge of your nose.

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Quibi is only available for mobile devices. You cannot watch it on a TV or projector.

The reports I've read state that all of Quibi's content is photographed almost exclusively in tight close-ups. When you rotate the phone to portrait layout, the rare two-shot of people will change to a split-screen with one person's face on top of the other.

There is zero intent for big screen immersion, unless you plan to set your phone on the bridge of your nose.
I was just at the Quibi website and watched a few previews of their premium content on my monitor hosted at YouTube and could have easily ported it to the projector and it looked to me like the movies were framed and directed like any other made for TV movie. I understand it is a Phone only media and from what I’m reading the public finds that ridicules. People want to view where they want to view. I have watched IMAX epics on my phone also and if I’m stuck in an airport that might be the best I can do but without a work around IMO Quibi won’t be around long enough for us to list the ARs. Then again I’m wrong about most of these new cultural issues.

I do agree I won’t be signing up for even 90 days free with the restriction of phone only.

I only watched a few previews and I didn’t see the split screen stuff you mentioned, looked like regular TV to me.

https://www.cnet.com/news/quibi-bet-...-pandemic-hit/

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I was just at the Quibi website and watched a few previews of their premium content on my monitor hosted at YouTube and could have easily ported it to the projector
The previews were released to YouTube, but the full content is only available on the Quibi app, which is restricted to mobile devices.

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I understand it is a Phone only media and from what I’m reading the public finds that ridicules. People want to view where they want to view. I have watched IMAX epics on my phone also and if I’m stuck in an airport that might be the best I can do but without a work around IMO Quibi won’t be around long enough for us to list the ARs. Then again I’m wrong about most of these new cultural issues.

I do agree I won’t be signing up for even 90 days free with the restriction of phone only.
So far, it looks like Quibi is a big flop. Even with a free 90 day trial (which means that nobody has paid a cent to use it yet), the app only had 300,000 downloads at launch, which is about 7% of what Disney+ had on its first day.

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Quibi dared Hollywood directors to make movies for phones. Who bit and what they learned

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Veena Sud, whose Quibi thriller “The Stranger” debuts Monday, says she jumped at the chance to be part of what she calls “nothing short of a revolution in how we view film and TV content.” But that’s not to say the path forward was clear.

For Sud and the other filmmakers who jumped into the Quibi fray, the biggest challenge, visually speaking, was how to shoot something that can be watched as readily holding the phone vertically as horizontally, a feature that Quibi calls “Turnstyle.” Pulling that off required carefully planning every shot with an eye toward what would be in the frame in either orientation. In a vertical format, even simple dialogue scenes involving two characters talking to each other proved challenging.

“It took so much planning to figure out, how can I have conversations that don’t feel like a lot of information is missing?” says Sud of “The Stranger,” in which a Los Angeles rideshare driver (Maika Monroe) picks up a passenger (Dane DeHaan) who turns out to be a murderous psychopath. “We used every tool in the toolbox: We stacked the actors so one was in front of the other, we moved the camera, we bounced focal points back and forth, we used depth. We tried to really keep the visual experience engaging and not frustrating.”

Inevitably, though, cropping a shot vertically means losing key visual information, as any parent who has ever tried to shoot their kid’s school play or soccer game in portrait mode on their iPhone quickly discovers.

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But director Mark Pellington is one of the few artists to make aesthetic distinctions between the service's horizontal/vertical viewing orientations — one compositional, the other uncomfortably intimate — rather than just resorting to pan-and-scan.

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The platform’s elevator pitch says that users are able to view content horizontally and vertically, while still retaining full scope of the storytelling. This required “cross-shooting,” or several cameras capturing entire scenes at the same time to enable dynamic viewing.
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But director Mark Pellington is one of the few artists to make aesthetic distinctions between the service's horizontal/vertical viewing orientations — one compositional, the other uncomfortably intimate — rather than just resorting to pan-and-scan.

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The platform’s elevator pitch says that users are able to view content horizontally and vertically, while still retaining full scope of the storytelling. This required “cross-shooting,” or several cameras capturing entire scenes at the same time to enable dynamic viewing.
This is a billion dollar risk by some billionaires that think they have their finger on the pulse of a changing society of media crazed viewers. My opinion is it will backfire and go the way of so many other gimmicks in media. That’s just my opinion and I could be wrong, people may love watching movies on a tiny screen and flipping their wrists over and over to see a facial expression that on a normal screen you could see by darting your eyes to look at a face. My lag time will be too slow and by the time I flip the phone the next image I want to see in landscape will be showing. I will constantly wonder what I’m missing watching the close up, and wonder what I’m missing close up when I’m panning.

I just don’t see Christopher Nolan getting excited to remake Dunkirk into a 10 minute Quibi.

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This is a billion dollar risk by some billionaires that think they have their finger on the pulse of a changing society of media crazed viewers. My opinion is it will backfire and go the way of so many other gimmicks in media. That’s just my opinion and I could be wrong, people may love watching movies on a tiny screen and flipping their wrists over and over to see a facial expression that on a normal screen you could see by darting your eyes to look at a face. My lag time will be too slow and by the time I flip the phone the next image I want to see in landscape will be showing. I will constantly wonder what I’m missing watching the close up, and wonder what I’m missing close up when I’m panning.

I just don’t see Christopher Nolan getting excited to remake Dunkirk into a 10 minute Quibi.
Not paying for Quibi either and it does not help that Quibi got cute calling their TV series "movies in chapters". Not when Quibi should have embraced the fact they are making short form TV series. I posted the links regarding Survive because of the different techniques, at least as far as I can tell, that the director utilized to take advantage of the turnstyle function. Not that I would want to view content in portrait.
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Trailer roundup for a couple of upcoming series you might have missed. AKA there is a lot of TV.

Perry Mason 2.0:1 (HBO) limited series June 21.

Barskins 2.0:1 (Nat Geo) limited series May 25.


Nat Geo joins Freeform, both now under the Disney umbrella, with series in the "streaming ratio". Considering the push Disney is giving for Hulu and that episodes are available on Hulu the next day for (FX, Freeform, Barskins since most Nat Geo is going to Disney+), the choice seems logical.
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I'm having trouble editing the first post in this thread today for some reason, but Netflix's Space Force appears to be 2.20:1 from the trailer.

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The edit I'm trying to make - adding Space Force to the Netflix list - isn't taking and I get the attached error. Tried on Chrome (both desktop and mobile) and IE.
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There's something about that post setting off a security flag when attempting any edit. Let's give it a day or two. Sometimes it just goes away. Otherwise I'll get the techs to dig into it.
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Thanks! Could it have something to do with the fact that I'd been attaching (and regularly replacing) a ZIP file with an Excel version of the list?

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For what it's worth, I still get the error today even when I try to edit without attaching the ZIP file.

Going forward, I can post the spreadsheet at the end of the thread rather than attaching to the first post.
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As much as I am glad to see wider than 1.78:1, it is almost sad to know that it is the shape of the phone screen that pushed this change, not advancements in large screen displays.
Reference proof for this statement. IMHO, it is the DCI 4K UHD cameras that have pushed the 2.0:1 with letterboxing.

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Reference proof for this statement. IMHO, it is the DCI 4K UHD cameras that have pushed the 2.0:1 with letterboxing.
Most of the shows on this list are shot at 2k. Both 2k and 4k cameras have a raw data aspect ratio of 1.89:1. It's been that way since the advent of digital cinematography, not a new development. There is an existing workflow to crop both to the standard 16:9 ratio, which is what almost every single show on the major broadcast networks do.

The choice to letterbox is an artistic decision that has little to do with the camera used. The 2.0:1 aspect ratio that's become so prevalent is cropped on the top and bottom from what the camera captured.

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