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Pulled the trigger on the 703's for $449. Almost bought the KEF Q150 but the forum god's told me that these would be better!

added a 704c from Amazon for $300 - $70 for using their credit card. I havent bought AV equipment in years but I feel like I got a decent deal. You?
Got virtually the same deal as me on all three and I’m happy with the decision. Next step is upgrading AVR. And sub. And maybe surrounds. And......
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Pulled the trigger on the 703's for $449. Almost bought the KEF Q150 but the forum god's told me that these would be better! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

added a 704c from Amazon for $300 - $70 for using their credit card. I havent bought AV equipment in years but I feel like I got a decent deal. You?
Got virtually the same deal as me on all three and I’️m happy with the decision. Next step is upgrading AVR. And sub. And maybe surrounds. And......
What are you using for AVR now? I’m in same boat I think. But won’t know until I get them in.

Using Pio VSX 1123.

Have the subs covered. SVS pb2000 x2👍🏽
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What are you using for AVR now? I’m in same boat I think. But won’t know until I get them in.

Using Pio VSX 1123.

Have the subs covered. SVS pb2000 x2👍🏽
Onkyo TX-NR555. Either looking at Marantz 6013 or comparable Denon at a minimum. Would represent upgrade to current and give me flexibility to add external amp if desired (for two channel listening as an example). Or I am also considering NAD 777 or comparable Arcam for the Dirac (demoed at WW Stereo). And when I am truly over analyzing, I consider something like Outlaw or Emotiva separates.

I have an old The Speaker Company sub. I've played with the settings recently based on things I've read here and it has helped. Still want an upgrade though.
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I went with the two 705's and a 704c because that 706c is huge and my UST projector's offset (Fengmi 4K Cinema, 14.5 inches) isn't large enough. It would probably work with the Optoma P1 IF and only IF it happened to be on the larger end of the offset scale.

I wanted to dispel the myth of needing an expensive amp to power them in addition to a receiver. I have the Denon X3600H and they are amazing in a 5.1.4 setup. My 4 atmos ceiling speakers are Polk VT60's and my L&R surrounds are Polk floor standing T50's (not exactly T50's but similar circa 2003). Plenty of room to play up to reference and louder than I'd like--both music and movies.

I may purchase an amp at some point to see what the hype is about, but don't let anyone fool you or scare you away from buying the LSIM's..they are amazing! I plan on adding a pair of 702's at some point as well.
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Not sure if I should pull the trigger on these or buy the Monoprice monolith Atmos setup. Anyone able to compare? Or give any input? Thanks in advance!
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Not sure if I should pull the trigger on these or buy the Monoprice monolith Atmos setup. Anyone able to compare? Or give any input? Thanks in advance!
The problem now with the Polk LSiM sale is that Adorama is out of the 704C and 706C center channel speakers.

Amazon does have a the 706C in Cherry at a higher price of $489 and 704C at $299 but in black
https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-LS...94794874&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-LS...tronics&sr=1-1

They still have the LSiM 705 tower in cherry for $399 each and the LSiM 703 bookshelf speakers in Black or Cherry for $449 a pair. You could use a different center from say Emotiva, Ascend or Chane which are all very good.a
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You think it would be a better setup dollar for dollar getting the great deal on the towers and the book shelves and then paying the extra for the matching center? Or waiting to see what Monoprice might do on Black Friday. Planning on running just a 5.1 setup if I went Polk or if I went mono price would run 5.1.4 with the Atmos towers and books shelves. Thanks for the help!
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If anyone in Canada (BC ideally) is looking for the 706C in Midnight Mahogany, I may be willing to part with mine. I bought one to test with my signature S60's (to replace the S30). I'm happy with the current soundstage but didn't want to wonder what if the 706C would've been better. Still have to unbox and A/B test it. Main concern is timbre matching. If It doesn't play well, I'd rather sell it here than return to Adorama so someone else can get the deal. Will likely test sometime this week.

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You think it would be a better setup dollar for dollar getting the great deal on the towers and the book shelves and then paying the extra for the matching center? Or waiting to see what Monoprice might do on Black Friday. Planning on running just a 5.1 setup if I went Polk or if I went mono price would run 5.1.4 with the Atmos towers and books shelves. Thanks for the help!
Have not heard the Monoprice THX speakers but there is a review thread on AVS .

Is this the one?
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=34188

The Polk 705 is an excellent speaker especially for the sale price. Great reviews and I'd probably lean that way.
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I had gotten a used 704c from adorama. Condition 'E' I believe. It was immaculate and works great. Unfortunately it doesn't look like they have any more of those (in that condition) either.
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I've had my LSiM 705's, 704c and 703's for about a year now, and I have been very happy with them! I have a Denon 4400h and found that with a 5.1.4 setup that the front speakers sounded good but weren't quite as powerful as I had hoped during big movie scenes. I found that by adding an external amp to power the front LCR setup that movie scenes were more dynamic and impactful since the speakers had the extra headroom they needed from a power perspective. That's not to say they didn't sound good playing off the receiver, but just they didn't have that oomph without adding an external amp. Another thing to be aware of is that you don't want to toe the 705's all the way in to the MLP, but rather about half way between straight and a 45 degree toe in to get the proper sound stage. You will want to experiment, but that is what I have found to be the case with mine.
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I've had my LSiM 705's, 704c and 703's for about a year now, and I have been very happy with them! I have a Denon 4400h and found that with a 5.1.4 setup that the front speakers sounded good but weren't quite as powerful as I had hoped during big movie scenes. I found that by adding an external amp to power the front LCR setup that movie scenes were more dynamic and impactful since the speakers had the extra headroom they needed from a power perspective. That's not to say they didn't sound good playing off the receiver, but just they didn't have that oomph without adding an external amp. Another thing to be aware of is that you don't want to toe the 705's all the way in to the MLP, but rather about half way between straight and a 45 degree toe in to get the proper sound stage. You will want to experiment, but that is what I have found to be the case with mine.

Do you think that the 4400 would drive the front sound stage with 703's and 704 better than your experience with the 705's? I just picked up that combo and I'm trying to decide if I should go with something like the Onkyo RZ840 vs Denon 3600 for the extra power, knowing that I would lose some RC EQ quality but gain more power with onkyo.
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Do you think that the 4400 would drive the front sound stage with 703's and 704 better than your experience with the 705's? I just picked up that combo and I'm trying to decide if I should go with something like the Onkyo RZ840 vs Denon 3600 for the extra power, knowing that I would lose some RC EQ quality but gain more power with onkyo.
Yes, it should have an easier time powering the 703’s up front. In fact, I am powering the 703’s with the Denon as side surrounds and they sound really good.
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The 703's are 88db efficient, the 705's are also 88db efficient, both speakers should provide the same SPL at any given power. FWIW I used my Yamaha RX-V2070 to drive my 705's for a few days just to get a feel for how easy or hard these are to drive. The 2070 puts out 145wpc in stereo, sounded pretty good. I think most AVR's can drive these LSiM speakers just fine. I do use an integrated amp to drive my 705's, but mainly because I already own it.

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The 703's are 88db efficient, the 705's are also 88db efficient, both speakers should provide the same SPL at any given power. FWIW I used my Yamaha RX-V2070 to drive my 705's for a few days just to get a feel for how easy or hard these are to drive. The 2070 puts out 145wpc in stereo, sounded pretty good. I think most AVR's can drive these LSiM speakers just fine. I do use an integrated amp to drive my 705's, but mainly because I already own it.

is there a simple formula like taking the power for 1ch driven into 8ohm and dividing by the number of channels used to get the per channel output of an AVR? 80% of my application will be for HT. I'd love to put anything above a clean 100wpc x9 but dont have the budget for an amp at this point.
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I eventually did get a new 706c which replaced my 12+ year old csi5. I have been very impressed with this speaker. I had been considering buying a Paradigm center at 3x the price of what I got this thing for and I am really happy with this speaker, it sounds great!!! The whole front stage in my theater really pops now. I was starting to have issues hearing dialog as I've gotten older and spent 10,000 hours in front of these speakers. The 706c now pops it out!
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The 703's are 88db efficient, the 705's are also 88db efficient, both speakers should provide the same SPL at any given power. FWIW I used my Yamaha RX-V2070 to drive my 705's for a few days just to get a feel for how easy or hard these are to drive. The 2070 puts out 145wpc in stereo, sounded pretty good. I think most AVR's can drive these LSiM speakers just fine. I do use an integrated amp to drive my 705's, but mainly because I already own it.

I totally agree. However, the 705's are more power hungry if running as full range speakers or crossing over lower than 80Hz (or running double bass settings, etc.) so would benefit from an external amp providing dedicated power for improved dynamics. If you setup 703's up front then you are likely crossing them over at 80Hz and not running double bass, etc. so would be easier on the AVR to provide ample power to them, while also powering the other speakers connected to the AVR.
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is there a simple formula like taking the power for 1ch driven into 8ohm and dividing by the number of channels used to get the per channel output of an AVR? 80% of my application will be for HT. I'd love to put anything above a clean 100wpc x9 but dont have the budget for an amp at this point.
What you're describing is dynamic power numbers, and for the most part useless unless you use one speaker...

Power quotes from manufacturers (USA) still have guidelines set down in the early 70's that they follow, and haven't changed. The problem is most receivers these days are multi channel, so the manufacturers use those two channels driven numbers, then spread them around to the other 3-5-7 channels in a manner to make you think you'll get 100wpc all channels driven, but few deliver.

The FTC needs to update their guidelines. What you won't see very often is a given number for "all channels driven". Harman Kardon used to use that phrase, like back in the early 2000's, but found consumers would gravitate towards better looking numbers from Denon Marantz, etc. My first 5 channel AVR was a HK AVR-525 and had 80wpc "All Channels Driven". And it delivered 80wpc in 5 channel mode. They couldn't say it if the AVR couldn't deliver 80wpc all channels driven. In two channel mode I think it delivered about 150wpc. And sounded good doing it. That thing is still alive, my sister has it. Tough piece that one! And a great space heater this time of the year.
There have been a lot of threads on AVS trying to decode manufacturers specs. If you see a spec claim 125wpc, and implies you'll get 125wpc out to all 7 channels, take a look at the total power consumption first. If that AVR uses 600w total, well 600/7 is not 125w, and when you figure the HDMI/video section uses 150w (guessing here) then that crimps the wattage going to the audio even more. You have to read all the specs to get a picture of what a particular AVR is capable of delivering into all channel. Deception is the name of the game!

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What you're describing is dynamic power numbers, and for the most part useless unless you use one speaker...

Power quotes from manufacturers (USA) still have guidelines set down in the early 70's that they follow, and haven't changed. The problem is most receivers these days are multi channel, so the manufacturers use those two channels driven numbers, then spread them around to the other 3-5-7 channels in a manner to make you think you'll get 100wpc all channels driven, but few deliver.

The FTC needs to update their guidelines. What you won't see very often is a given number for "all channels driven". Harman Kardon used to use that phrase, like back in the early 2000's, but found consumers would gravitate towards better looking numbers from Denon Marantz, etc. My first 5 channel AVR was a HK AVR-525 and had 80wpc "All Channels Driven". And it delivered 80wpc in 5 channel mode. They couldn't say it if the AVR couldn't deliver 80wpc all channels driven. In two channel mode I think it delivered about 150wpc. And sounded good doing it. That thing is still alive, my sister has it. Tough piece that one! And a great space heater this time of the year.
There have been a lot of threads on AVS trying to decode manufacturers specs. If you see a spec claim 125wpc, and implies you'll get 125wpc out to all 7 channels, take a look at the total power consumption first. If that AVR uses 600w total, well 600/7 is not 125w, and when you figure the HDMI/video section uses 150w (guessing here) then that crimps the wattage going to the audio even more. You have to read all the specs to get a picture of what a particular AVR is capable of delivering into all channel. Deception is the name of the game!

Thank you! Very insightful!
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The problem now with the Polk LSiM sale is that Adorama is out of the 704C and 706C center channel speakers.

Amazon does have a the 706C in Cherry at a higher price of $489 and 704C at $299 but in black
https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-LS...94794874&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-LS...tronics&sr=1-1

They still have the LSiM 705 tower in cherry for $399 each and the LSiM 703 bookshelf speakers in Black or Cherry for $449 a pair. You could use a different center from say Emotiva, Ascend or Chane which are all very good.a
@cocrh Can you link that 399 price? I can't find it on the site.


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Well poo!
They do have some high rated "refurbs" for like 319 and 349. I have the 704c that I picked up a few months ago for 199 and it's awesome. I wanted to pair it up. I have the 704c with some Monitor 70's right now.

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They do have some high rated "refurbs" for like 319 and 349. I have the 704c that I picked up a few months ago for 199 and it's awesome. I wanted to pair it up. I have the 704c with some Monitor 70's right now.
I picked up the 704 the same as you. I had already bought the 703s (that are still available) and they pair up very nicely. Of course if you prefer towers, then yeah...poo.
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I picked up the 704 the same as you. I had already bought the 703s (that are still available) and they pair up very nicely. Of course if you prefer towers, then yeah...poo.
Do you think those 703's would be better than my Monitor 60's (I incorrectly put 70's earlier). I'd say 80% of what I do is movies/sports/gaming...and then I listen to music about the other 20%.

I know in movies, 90% of the sound is driven through the center.

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If I were to purchase a 704c which is available currently, am I missing out on a significant difference from the 706c which I'm unable to find at a reasonable price for black/mahogany?

Planned to pair with 703's as front soundstage with a 110" screen in a 16x16 room untreated, 95+% HT use
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If I were to purchase a 704c which is available currently, am I missing out on a significant difference from the 706c which I'm unable to find at a reasonable price for black/mahogany?

Planned to pair with 703's as front soundstage with a 110" screen in a 16x16 room untreated, 95+% HT use

I have the 704c and it is a great center channel speaker. I can't directly compare to the 706c, but from what I read there is not much difference in capability or sound between the two.
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Do you think those 703's would be better than my Monitor 60's (I incorrectly put 70's earlier). I'd say 80% of what I do is movies/sports/gaming...and then I listen to music about the other 20%.

I know in movies, 90% of the sound is driven through the center.

For sure they would be better than the Monitor 60's. I assume if you are looking at the 703's that you have a capable sub. If not, you might want to consider the 705's instead of the 703's.
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I have the 704c and it is a great center channel speaker. I can't directly compare to the 706c, but from what I read there is not much difference in capability or sound between the two.
Thanks for the input.

So the 703's/704 with HSU VTF2 or VTF3, driven with X3500h would be a decent setup? I'm not expecting theater quality, but above average for a multi-use kids play room pulling duties as a home theater too.

**For reference, the last setup I had before moving was 3 speakercraft LCR5 One in-walls up front, 3808ci, 2 random ceiling rears, and SVS PB12-NSD. I wasn't blown away, but it was a decent setup for what it was and everything conveyed with the sale.

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Thanks for the input.

So the 703's/704 with HSU VTF2 or VTF3, driven with X3500h would be a decent setup? I'm not expecting theater quality, but above average for a multi-use kids play room pulling duties as a home theater too.

**For reference, the last setup I had before moving was 3 speakercraft LCR5 One in-walls up front, 3808ci, 2 random ceiling rears, and SVS PB12-NSD. I wasn't blown away, but it was a decent setup for what it was and everything conveyed with the sale.

Yes, that will be a very good setup and you should have some fun with it!
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