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No, the software just reports what the meter reads. Depending on the dE formula it will take into account both how far you are from the target point in x,y and the difference in target luminance Y.
Ran color checker, most colors had a d.e just 3.0. Black was the worst with a d.e 12.4, is this a tint problem?
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Zoyd, thanks for your efforts, the fact you can put these updates up so fast is amazing. When you post the news and details, I feel like I got the latest version of my favorite toy.

Something been rumbling around in my frontal lobe!

Can I add 0% black or grey, to the greyscale measurement, because right now it starts at 10%. I just noticed contrast ratio is low, or should I check that with ANSI measurement?
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version 3.3.3 has been released.
  • Added alt+up/down arrow to zoom CIE diagram. [once zoomed use arrow keys to re-center]
  • Added CIEa*b* diagram.
  • Updated graph font styling, CIE borders and wavelength labeling.
  • Increased resolution of CIE digram.
  • Added L* EOTF target.
  • Added UHDTV Rec.2020 Color Space.
  • Fixed incorrect ordering of dC, dH in dE breakout.
  • Fixed rounding mismatch in average gamma calculations.
  • Fixed couldn't edit grid entries when CIE diagram was displayed.

Biggest addition was the new CIEab diagram which works like the other charts but in L*a*b* space instead of xy or u'v'. The outer boundary is a three primary color space (close to Rec.2020) that captures 100% of Pointer's gamut (an approximation of all real-world perceivable colors).
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Can I add 0% black or grey, to the greyscale measurement, because right now it starts at 10%. I just noticed contrast ratio is low, or should I check that with ANSI measurement?
I don't know what you mean, the greyscale sequence always contains a measurement of black as the first pattern. You can add black to the primaries/secondaries sequence in preferences.
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I don't know what you mean, the greyscale sequence always contains a measurement of black as the first pattern. You can add black to the primaries/secondaries sequence in preferences.
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In one of your very early posts, you mentioned that you might add a feature to "measure from this point on". This would be useful if I manually set the black point to "lock down" the target values when using BT.1886 for gamma, as with some instruments the black point measurement is not very repeatable.
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I'll add a user override of black level for that case, I decided I didn't like the partial sequence option (plus it's a headache to implement).
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Do I want to reduce my gamut to match the reference line? Max dE is 2.95 its the one highlighed yellow. The files are in my previous post.
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I'll add a user override of black level for that case, I decided I didn't like the partial sequence option (plus it's a headache to implement).
I've just updated v.3.3.3 with a black override option in advanced->preferences->references
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Do I want to reduce my gamut to match the reference line? Max dE is 2.95 its the one highlighed yellow. The files are in my previous post.
Very impressed with this. What panel/projector did this come from?
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According to the report, it's a Samung PS43F4900AKXXU.

22.8: You might want to run color checker with fleshtones.

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I don't know what you mean, the greyscale sequence always contains a measurement of black as the first pattern. You can add black to the primaries/secondaries sequence in preferences.
If I use dvd manual as my pattern generator, I'm using the AVSHD709 blu-ray and HCFR patterns on disk. This has 11 steps, first one being 0% grey or black then 10%. At 0% the screen is completely black. Using automatic generator, it starts 10%.
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If I use dvd manual as my pattern generator, I'm using the AVSHD709 blu-ray and HCFR patterns on disk. This has 11 steps, first one being 0% grey or black then 10. At 0% the screen is completely black. Using automatic generator, it starts 10%.
It may have something to do with the "Override Black" setting, see post #6191 . If it's checked, 0% will be skipped. However, that applies to both DVD/Manual and Internal generator.

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The way it's supposed to work and let me know if it doesn't is that when you enter a black Y value via the preferences page (not directly in the grid), the 0% pattern should be skipped in both manual and automatic mode when measuring grayscale, near-black, and contrast.
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The way it's supposed to work and let me know if it doesn't is that when you enter a black Y value via the preferences page (not directly in the grid), the 0% pattern should be skipped in both manual and automatic mode when measuring grayscale, near-black, and contrast.
Yes, that's the way it behaves on my laptop, thanks for adding the feature. However, my thinking is that "override black" makes more sense in grey scale measurement (since it affects all the target points), but less so for near-black and contrast measurements.

It behaves the same way with automatic or manual generator, not sure why the previous post said they are different.

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It has something to do with the "Override Black" setting, see post #6191 . If it's checked, 0% will be skipped.
Okay, thanks. I'll try that when I get a chance later tonight.
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The point of override is not to use it as a calculator but only when you really can't measure your black level. So that would be true for any of the sequences. The only exception is the ANSI black to handle cases where it might measure 0 on/off and something higher with ANSI blocks or if you check "add black measure" to the primaries/secondaries sweep it will go ahead and try to measure it regardless of the override setting.
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@Basstrix , I just spend a week long vacation at my brother-in-law who owns a LG Plasma. I messed around with the settings (left my meter and laptop at home) at the beginning of the stay and set it to a THX viewing mode with its default settings. I felt like the color uniformity was pretty good. Upon my return home last night I watched a little Netflix and my gosh my TV sucks! Faces looked too orange and all colors looked oversaturated. This was with the results from the last calibration a week ago.

I'll give in a few more shots to see if I can get things dialed in better. If not... I'd be really tempted to get rid of this panel.
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When I try to export to PDF I get the following error pop-up.

Error: error_no=1017, File already open?

What does it mean, and how do I fix it?

[edit: I have read in previous posts that it is a known issue, and that the pdf exporter doesn't work correctly. Is that still correct for v3.3.3 that I am using?]

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The avshd709 disc has a white clipping pattern with flashing bars, and a similar one for black. What are the equivalent patterns in Hcfr?

The patterns I've found in Hcfr aren't as easy to use, although the brightness pattern does offer more detailed colour brightness clipping info on screen.

What pattern do you guys use in Hcfr to set brightness and contrast?
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Hi zoyd, the pdf export is not working for me.v3.3.3. No pdf viewer open in the background.win 7.
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@Basstrix , lowering contrast 6 clicks (from 33 to 27) astronomically lowered average dE for gray scale and color checker. I made minor adjustments to further lower gray scale after doing this. I followed the guide you made to try and fix some of the problems in each color.... Since things seemed a little orange during my last viewing I focused on CC more than the saturation sweeps.

I also raised backlight 8 clicks (from std to +8). I am wondering how lowering contrast affects luminance? Is luminance affected by contrast or backlight or both?

Value had absolutely no affect at either extremes. It didn't move any point by any amount. Interesting that it doesn't work (maybe it works in other viewing modes like User?)
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Hi zoyd, the pdf export is not working for me.v3.3.3. No pdf viewer open in the background.win 7.
I think you are trying to write to a folder without write privilege. You can either try to save it to another folder like your documents folder or change the program properties to "run as administrator".
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I've updated version 3.3.3 with a switch to automatically load linear gamma ramp tables to the video card during patterns for those using the internal pattern generator. The option is on by default so if you want to measure using the gamma tables as-is, uncheck the "disable video LUT" checkbox in the GDI preferences tab. The orginal LUT is restored after patterns are finished.
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That would make this 3.3.3c?


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No need to send me any data, I did swap dC and dH in the calculation - thanks for the catch!
You are more than welcome, I'm glad I was able to help and thanks for the updates.

I think something went wrong with the RGB levels to HSV levels transformation. I calibrated an older Epson projector to 75% saturation. The 100% primaries and secondaries are all oversaturated and have lower than reference luminance. R and C have near-perfect hue. See the attached file. All this is in line qualitatively with the RGB levels for each of the six colours. However, switching to HSV levels gives an S value smaller than 100% for both R and M. So in HSV values they appear undersaturated!

In other files B or G appear oversaturated in RGB, but incorrectly undersaturated in HSV.
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