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@calentz may I suggest you try changing the meter's "sync" mode? Although I haven't seen the same error you have, if I notice an autocal stuck on a particular point (generally but not always around 40% gray on my set) with the readings fluctuating wildly, usually changing the sync type will stop it. If you've been running in "Auto", try "On" or "Off".

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Here are some basic questions:

1) As a projector owner who owns Calman, how often is it recommended that you calibrate a projector?

2) I have Calman, C6 meter as well as the meters for the JVC projector. I also have the disc for the patterns for the Calman. I have spent a lot of money of course on all of this. But my basic question is, should I bite the bullet and spend the $1500 on the Video Forge pattern generator? Or is that really just a waste of money because I don't need to calibrate that often. I do have a Sony A1 also. It is kind of a pain having to find and change the patterns etc when you are doing Calman HDR. I have the app for SDR and that works fine.

3) When calibrating should the pattern source go through the same path it would for the other sources. Meaning, if I get a video forge should it go through the receiver instead of direct to the projector just in case something changes from the receiver?

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Here are some basic questions:

1) As a projector owner who owns Calman, how often is it recommended that you calibrate a projector?

2) I have Calman, C6 meter as well as the meters for the JVC projector. I also have the disc for the patterns for the Calman. I have spent a lot of money of course on all of this. But my basic question is, should I bite the bullet and spend the $1500 on the Video Forge pattern generator? Or is that really just a waste of money because I don't need to calibrate that often. I do have a Sony A1 also. It is kind of a pain having to find and change the patterns etc when you are doing Calman HDR. I have the app for SDR and that works fine.

3) When calibrating should the pattern source go through the same path it would for the other sources. Meaning, if I get a video forge should it go through the receiver instead of direct to the projector just in case something changes from the receiver?

Thanks for all your help.
I don't own a projector, but here's my take. You'll probably also hear from others who are more knowledgeable on the subject.

1) Bulb life and changes during that life aren't an issue for flat panels, but they are for PJs. Based on the amount of use yours sees, you may want to recalibrate every year to 6 months or even more often. It won't be a "once and done" thing.

2) Your call. Be advised that unless your set is one that relies on calibration of the underlying display before HDR mode and tone mapping are applied, you can't really calibrate HDR as thoroughly as you can SDR. Gray scale and color/tint are about it, as gamma and luminance targets are fixed and the vast majority of home displays cannot reach the gamut targets specified for HDR.

3) Yes.
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Here are some basic questions:

1) As a projector owner who owns Calman, how often is it recommended that you calibrate a projector?

2) I have Calman, C6 meter as well as the meters for the JVC projector. I also have the disc for the patterns for the Calman. I have spent a lot of money of course on all of this. But my basic question is, should I bite the bullet and spend the $1500 on the Video Forge pattern generator? Or is that really just a waste of money because I don't need to calibrate that often. I do have a Sony A1 also. It is kind of a pain having to find and change the patterns etc when you are doing Calman HDR. I have the app for SDR and that works fine.

3) When calibrating should the pattern source go through the same path it would for the other sources. Meaning, if I get a video forge should it go through the receiver instead of direct to the projector just in case something changes from the receiver?

Thanks for all your help.
To add to Rolls-Royce comments, I struggled for a couple years with the same decision about whether to buy a pattern generator. After doing some reading on the forum, I came to the conclusion there is a happy medium cost-wise, the DVDO AVLab - you can probably find one online for $700-800, which is a lot cheaper than the VideoForge. If you’re on a real budget, the Raspberry Pi might even work. Sure, the DVDO doesn’t do HDR or DV, but as R-R pointed out, you can’t calibrate most consumer sets for either anyways. As I speak, I’m doing a 17^3 LUT and I couldn’t be happier (imagine doing >4000 patches manually!). Never will I go back to manual patches....

Re the signal path, I agree with R-R - and I suspect you’ll find different opinions. Some will say you should connect directly to the display, and if you’re using different inputs on the display for multiple devices, calibrating each input individually. If you’re bothered by being uncertain, you may need to compare; but at least that’s reasonably doable with a pattern generator vs. manually.

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Personally, I have 3 DVDO IScan Duos on all my main systems, that I've used for years. They've outlasted 2 more expensive Lumagen Radiance Units, and don't have the quirks. 4K devices go directly to the set, so don't need a 4K VQ, Masciola's HDR Patterns (on DVD, and on my Samsung UHD Video Pak for USB) are enough on my sets, since my Samsungs, only the 2 Point and CMS HDR can be calibrated.

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@WiFi-Spy , any hints on when will the new Calman Home become available? Hoped to see it announced during NAB, but that wasn't the case.
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@WiFi-Spy , any hints on when will the new Calman Home become available? Hoped to see it announced during NAB, but that wasn't the case.
It will be available for purchase when CalMAN 2019 is released.

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It will be available for purchase when CalMAN 2019 is released.
Are there plans to update MobileForge to provide HDR patterns?
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Are there plans to update MobileForge to provide HDR patterns?

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So they are releasing a low priced ($145) product designed to allow a novice to automatically calibrate a TV, but the buyer will need to spend an additional $1,500 on a pattern generator like VideoForge PRO to fully calibrate a Samsung or Sony?

Hope they spell this out very clearly, or there will be a lot of upset folks.
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So they are releasing a low priced ($145) product designed to allow a novice to automatically calibrate a TV, but the buyer will need to spend an additional $1,500 on a pattern generator like VideoForge PRO to fully calibrate a Samsung or Sony?

Hope they spell this out very clearly, or there will be a lot of upset folks.
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So they are releasing a low priced ($145) product designed to allow a novice to automatically calibrate a TV, but the buyer will need to spend an additional $1,500 on a pattern generator like VideoForge PRO to fully calibrate a Samsung or Sony?

Hope they spell this out very clearly, or there will be a lot of upset folks.
If you connect the laptop directly to the display using HDMI, the CalMAN software can generate the test patterns. You will still need a compatible colorimeter.
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If you connect the laptop directly to the display using HDMI, the CalMAN software can generate the test patterns. You will still need a compatible colorimeter.
I am not an expert, but Spectracal support did respond to to my question about MobileForge not doing HDR, and said that I needed a HW Pattern Generator, and gave VideoForge PRO as an example.

I did not know that the Calman PC software could generate test patterns through the PC's HDMI, and this is not specified in their data sheet
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HDR patches through PC HDMI was/is only possible with a couple of HDFury devices. I’m not sure because someone wrote that HDFURY devices don’t work anymore with CalMAN, but I never checked personally.

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The control through Calman stopped working for hdfury integral, but you can use hdfury integral for HDR and control it through the Integral Gui.
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So they are releasing a low priced ($145) product designed to allow a novice to automatically calibrate a TV, but the buyer will need to spend an additional $1,500 on a pattern generator like VideoForge PRO to fully calibrate a Samsung or Sony?

Hope they spell this out very clearly, or there will be a lot of upset folks.
Actually, no 100% correct.

If you have a Sony, you can use CalmanHome/Sony, a meter like a C6 or an inexpensive one from X-Rite, and any low cost pattern generator or DVD disk and calibrate SDR. HDR and Dolby Vision picture modes will be calculated from the SDR calibration. The only restriction is you won't be able to verify the HDR and DV results but if your SDR calibration is correct, I've never seen HDR or DV having a problem. You can also use Autocal.

If you have a 2019 LG, you can use CalmanHome/LG, a meter and you can use the internal test pattern generator in the LG. It's accessed via Calman. I haven't tried it with the internal TPG but you can calibrate SDR, HDR and DV but again you can't validate your HDR and DV calibration. You can also use Autocal.

If you have a Samsung, then you need to calibrate manually and or use autocal for 2018 and older sets. PD said they will support the new Samsung's with Autocal buy I don't believe a date has been given. But here you will need an expensive TPG or use Disk patterns. No DV on this set.

Just an important note, you always want to verify your calibration and even though, from my experience, since in some cases the HDR and DV offsets are calculated, I usually don't see a problem with the verification scan, it is possible so you need to understand that.

Although some will disagree with me, for a novice or beginner calibrator, this process can work very well and give nice results and if you get more advanced or are a perfectionist, then you might want to invest in an external TPG or use one of the options that are in this thread.-> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...o_threadsearch
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The control through Calman stopped working for hdfury integral, but you can use hdfury integral for HDR and control it through the Integral Gui.
As Melissa had posted on the now-defunct SpectraCal forums, the loss of control over the Integral was caused by a switch to a different version (3.5.5.0) of the SiUSBXp.dll in order to work with a particular spectro. Replacing the .dll in CalMAN's folder (Program Files (x86) > Spectracal > CalMAN 5 Home Theater > Common) with 3.9.0.2 from HDFury's website will restore control functionality.
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As Melissa had posted on the now-defunct SpectraCal forums, the loss of control over the Integral was caused by a switch to a different version (3.5.5.0) of the SiUSBXp.dll in order to work with a particular spectro. Replacing the .dll in CalMAN's folder (Program Files (x86) > Spectracal > CalMAN 5 Home Theater > Common) with 3.9.0.2 from HDFury's website will restore control functionality.


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We are working on a permanent fix that doesn’t require this workaround.
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Will a DVDO iScan Mini generate test patterns for calibration?

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Don't know.
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