Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD
Using your data Steve found the problems, we trust your measurements.
This specific gamut problem its a device issue, not only the specific model you have issue, but there a lot of other JVC which suffering from the same problem.
You have an American JVC projector in Europe, so seems that you have some serious contacts in USA, but you opened I see a new thread about that projector AutoCAL to another forum, not in AVSForum, something you where doing at past year models. (while AVSForum is the most popular forum in the world)
Thinking about the above, I find impossible to accept from your side that there is any fault being on JVC's part and always it will be a LightSpace (or other software problem).
The same problems you have find with CalMAN also, for that reason Lightning LUT provide you better results (since it has zero volumetric info...where the issues are starting when you generating volumetric correction, with lower saturation boost).
Anyway, LightSpace is working on solutions for such problematic devices gamut's, so stay tuned...
I opened the new calibration thread in a different forum mainly because I was offered more support there. I had not started a new thread on AVS since 2016, so it's not really a new thing.
I am still active on AVS and have reported many issues with the new JVCs (especially regarding the dynamic iris implementation in HDR and the colorspace bug with forced YCC422 in 12bits), on both forums, including in the post just above yours
and recently in this owner's thread
for the new models. I also mentioned them in the new calibration thread, in my first impressions and in the "suggestions to JVC for improvements". You clearly are not following the JVC threads very closely.
I never said that the issues are always with Lightspace. Just that in my experience, when there is an issue with Lightspace, it's the user or the display that is blamed, and the issue isn't fixed, the user is asked to perform convoluted manual steps as a workaround. This is what I am protesting against. Also you say that my measurements are trusted, well, not really. I was asked to produce far too many measurements the last time, and when I was asked to produce more, I refused as it was not needed. I was correct as the existing measurement were indeed enough for Steve to identify the issue *in Lightspace* that was causing posterization, and to create manually a LUT that resolved it using the convoluted LUT concatenation process. So yes, if my feedback was taken more seriously and if I wasn't asked to jump through hoops every time I report something, no doubt I would be less frustrated. I would also be happy to use email as a way to communicate.
You are correct, I do have some issues with Calman too and I have reported them many times, but at the moment I get excellent results with it on the rs2000 and as the interface is better for my needs, I use it more. If the outstanding issues with Lightspace were resolved, especially regarding madVR support, I would no doubt use LS more, especially for larger LUTs, at least until CM resolves its outstanding issues.
Anyway, as you said I've made all my points very clear. I just hope that attitude towards experienced JVC and madVR users will change in this thread.
I'm glad to hear that improvements are coming for undersaturated displays, though this isn't an issue I have at the moment with the rs2000.
By the way, you have my email, if you want to discuss any of this, you know how to reach me. It might be a good idea to clear the air.