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He was replying to my settings from a few months ago, and did not reply properly to capture my initial post. I have not re-calibrated since the older firmware.
I see. Is there something quick and easy you could do to confirm or deny a change to contrast/black levels with the new FW? I suspect this rumor is based on placebo effect but who knows . . .
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See above, they are my old settings. Have not recalibrated as Im still happy on 1.3.15b.
Should have recognized them as they are my current standard.

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Hi there,I have noticed that every time I add a new picture mode the settings for the color tuner and 11pt. Balance for all of my picture modes changes to what i set the newest added mode to. I was under the impression that i want those set differently for each mode i have. Am i right in assuming this or should i just find one setting for all modes for color and 11pt balance and stick with that. Thanks
I see that makes sense now. However i'm still a bit confused, most of the calibrations i have seen have been done on calibrated or calibrated dark and with color on normal. If i were to use their settings but change the mode or temperature so that i can use multiple settings will that change the picture from their settings significantly.
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I see that makes sense now. However i'm still a bit confused, most of the calibrations i have seen have been done on calibrated or calibrated dark and with color on normal. If i were to use their settings but change the mode or temperature so that i can use multiple settings will that change the picture from their settings significantly.

You have to choose which one you want (one at a time) this is your only option if you are copying those advanced settings.


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I never understood why Vizio chose to apply the Color Tuner settings globally and not per input, like the picture modes.
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I see. Is there something quick and easy you could do to confirm or deny a change to contrast/black levels with the new FW? I suspect this rumor is based on placebo effect but who knows . . .
My settings have always looked great to me, so I have not really noticed a significant change

I do think they have played with motion a bit, as I sometimes fiddle with judder to 2-3, where I was at 1 before.

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Should have recognized them as they are my current standard.
Glad they work well for you! I spent a ton of time getting those flesh tones correct.

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P50 versus M55 & cal ?

I can buy a P50 refurb for $699 or an M55 new for $799. Is the P a 2014 model and the M a 2015 model such that the M would have better PQ?
What are best P50 settings?
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I can buy a P50 refurb for $699 or an M55 new for $799. Is the P a 2014 model and the M a 2015 model such that the M would have better PQ?
What are best P50 settings?
They're virtually identical except for the amount of dimming zones (72 for the P and 32 for the M).

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They're virtually identical except for the amount of dimming zones (72 for the P and 32 for the M).

64 for the P the only P that has 72 is the 70"


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The P50 has 64 zones, the M55 has 32. That info is on Vizio's web site. I was looking for more detail. If they are the same circuitry and features, I'll go for the refurb P50. Down the road a couple of years, I'll upgrade to a full-bore HDR quantum dot TV.
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Okay, I bought the P50 yesterday. Now, to get best PQ without cal equipment, I've got DVE and WOW, I'll do the basic.
Has anyone out there got a list of best picture settings to start with? I have not gone through this whole thread, but a quick overview seems to show you guys have the largest P series sets and I'm not sure those settings would apply to the small P50 panels. Can you give me any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
BTW, I had an ISF cal done on my Samsung HLT61 DLP LED set when I bought it in 2007 and it was $300+, so I can't imagine what a cal would cost nowadays, but surely much more than half the cost of this P50's $699 + tax and that wouldn't be a wise expenditure, as this TV will be upgraded to a better PQ, larger screen in a year or two.
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Okay, I bought the P50 yesterday. Now, to get best PQ without cal equipment, I've got DVE and WOW, I'll do the basic.
Has anyone out there got a list of best picture settings to start with? I have not gone through this whole thread, but a quick overview seems to show you guys have the largest P series sets and I'm not sure those settings would apply to the small P50 panels. Can you give me any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
BTW, I had an ISF cal done on my Samsung HLT61 DLP LED set when I bought it in 2007 and it was $300+, so I can't imagine what a cal would cost nowadays, but surely much more than half the cost of this P50's $699 + tax and that wouldn't be a wise expenditure, as this TV will be upgraded to a better PQ, larger screen in a year or two.
ry Marvinwow's P70 settings. They look great on my P70. You never know, they might look relly good on your P50. If not, all you have lost is fifteen minutes of time.

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Okay, I bought the P50 yesterday. Now, to get best PQ without cal equipment, I've got DVE and WOW, I'll do the basic.
Has anyone out there got a list of best picture settings to start with? I have not gone through this whole thread, but a quick overview seems to show you guys have the largest P series sets and I'm not sure those settings would apply to the small P50 panels. Can you give me any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
BTW, I had an ISF cal done on my Samsung HLT61 DLP LED set when I bought it in 2007 and it was $300+, so I can't imagine what a cal would cost nowadays, but surely much more than half the cost of this P50's $699 + tax and that wouldn't be a wise expenditure, as this TV will be upgraded to a better PQ, larger screen in a year or two.
Here are my settings for my P502ui-B1E Firmware: 1.3.15 UHD

As others have said, your settings on your set may not be the same or to your liking. These work for me and that is all that matters.

Auto Brightness is normally off, but I sometimes use it depending on room lighting and content.

Backlight: 100
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 49
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Color Temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: off
Reduce Block Noise: off
Game Low Latency: off
Picture Size & Position: untouched
Film Mode: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.4

Color Calibration:
Red Green Blue Cyan Magenta Yellow
Hue 1 0 0 0 0 0
Saturation -8 -9 3 4 3 5
Brightness 13 8 10 5 4 4
Offset 2 2 0
Gain -3 0 -8

11 Point White Balance:
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5 3 3 3
10 7 5 7
20 11 9 10
30 5 2 2
40 -13 -9 -9
50 -26 -18 -17
60 -33 -28 -23
70 -27 -25 -18
80 -14 -9 -5
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Here is a link to a forum for the P502ui-B1E.

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Hi. So, I'm reading through the P series calibration thread on the recommendation of Superkyle. First, I know my screen is a VA, not an IPS screen, so I was wondering on a recommendation on the choice in display type. Second, he recommended, as you suggested, having the APL in HCFR turned all the way up. I'm curious about this as I've noticed three clear backlight sets (might be four) while calibrating with Active Dimming turned on. What I have done for this is to read each one separately (rather than it auto running through, similar to what is done with a disc) while opening the CMS menu before reading it each time. This brings it to the setting right above the darkest on with the active dimming and effects the reading up to 60 or 70 on the gray scale. But, it does so consistently. The reason I do this is to prevent the active dimming from crushing blacks and grays on the lower end. I noticed a potential 4th lighting sandwiched in between by using the APL on the AVSHD709 disc I burned which seems lower than the APL 95% setting in the HCFR program but higher than the one I mentioned I used. I understand having it on during the process, but was wondering is it better to prevent crushed blacks than skew the upper grays and whites?

Finally, I was wondering what settings you used in your drivers? Specifically, I, in Nvidia control panel, added HCFR to the programs side and realized the videocard is applying gamma processing before the tv is processing it, which would skew the results considerably. I disabled much of the processing while turning that off, which helped with both that (and I did it separately for VLC for movies). Of course set the output to the TV to [email protected]:4:[email protected] 12-bit YCC. Is there anything I am missing in this? Also, I am confused at the levels of backlight used by most users. I set Y to as close as I can get to 120, but this leaves my backlight at between 13-25, depending on whether I set it to Refresh or non-refresh. Going from the black APL to the 95% APL changes it (in non-refresh) to as high as 160 (which I suppose would be the reason to set the 100% IRE with the APL on). Sorry, complete noob here that has been working on this for a week. I have the i1d3 colorometer.

Finally, with the offset and gain adjusting the brightness of either the high end or low end of saturated color (for RGB), why is it recommended to use those for setting the 100 and 30 for the 2 point gray scale? My current technique:

1) set 11pt gray scale as discussed above
2) adjust green to as low as possible on variance on saturation scale, including gain and offset (under the assumption that red and blue are set around green as the neutral contrast setting by which the other two adjust at each gray level)
3) adjust the gray scale again
4) adjust all primary and secondary colors
5) adjust gray scale
6) minor tweaks to the primary and secondary colors, as needed.

I've had issues with blue on this and have certain doubts on the accuracy of the signal from the generator and the AVSHD709 disc (using windowed for HCFR on the disc). The saturation is not acting correctly on the blue. Instead, hue, to a degree, seems to move the point in the way saturation would, but it throws the upper levels all out of whack.

I've gotten a fairly accurate color picture on the screen from all of this, but have a problem with wanting perfection. Any insight would help. I'll continue reading this thread looking for more. Thank you for any help.
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Has anyone paired this set with the Samsung 8500 UHD BD player?
I would be interested in knowing if you needed to recalibrate.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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Has anyone paired this set with the Samsung 8500 UHD BD player?
I would be interested in knowing if you needed to recalibrate.
Check the official Vizio p series owners thread. A few guys posted there.

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@ajc9988 fafrd hasn't seemed to be active in quite some time. My best advice is to search @Googer as he has some very insightful tips posted throughout the thread. Most importantly read the newest post from him over the older post. Starting the thread from the beginning may cause confusion since firmware upgrades have caused a lot of changes in the proper method of calibration.


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Has anyone paired this set with the Samsung 8500 UHD BD player?
I would be interested in knowing if you needed to recalibrate.

Yes, I have a 60inch P series with the UHD. I use superkyles daylight calibration. I have deep color set to off and picture mode set to user with everything zeroed out.
Blu rays look great. I have two UHD movies, Scorch Trials and Martian. Martian was very dark. What are your settings on your tv and uhd player? Do you notice any black crush?

Does anyone know how to lighten up that dark crush being played on UHD discs?
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Long time lurker. I've had a P60 for a couple months now. New to calibration but very interested in it. I've installed a few of the calibrations posted on here but I've always wondered why nobody uses clear action? I've read a little about it but not much. I know it makes the screen darker (maybe too dark?). I was reading this hd guru article and they seem to like clear action:




"Using our 1000 frame per second camera, we learned the backlight scanning is operational whether the control is set to “Off” or “On”. When set to off, the Vizio shuts off about one-third of the LEDs in a horizontal strip that moves from top to bottom. With Smooth Motion Effect set to “On” the black strip widens to about two-thirds of the of the screen height. We do not know why “Off” is really “Low”.
Using our FPD motion resolution disc the Vizio with both Clear Action (CA) and Smooth Motion Effect set to “Off” yielded 320 lines of motion resolution. Activating the Clear Action with the Smooth Motion set to “Off” motion resolution stayed at 320 lines. With Clear Action back in the “Off” position and Smooth Motion in the Low position the motion resolution came in around 640 lines, Mid and High read 800 lines. With CA “On” and Smooth Motion in Low also read 800 lines. Changing the setting to Mid or High motion resolution read the full 1080 lines. The FPD disc was recorded at 1080i HD."


from: http://hdguru.com/vizio-4k-ultra-hig...2ui-b2-review/


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I use it on my P70 and on the other P's I've calibrated (another P70 and a P60, and at some point I have another friend with a P50 that I should calibrate too) for nighttime mode for the improved motion resolution, quite noticeable on medium speed pans, 2D scrolling games, etc. It's not really usable for a daytime calibration where you need lots of brightness, as the set with a calibrated D65 whitepoint peaks somewhere in the 35-40 fL range even with backlight set to 100 (which is perfect for a night mode but won't be bright enough for a daytime mode in a room with lots of windows, etc.)

Note that enabling clear action causes a slight shift in white balance, so a full calibration needs to be performed with it either on or off and then the setting not touched afterwards. Since having both full daytime or nighttime calibrations on a single set entails 2 different color calibrations altogether (I do nighttime in Normal and daytime in Computer), this isn't really a problem in practice.
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Long time lurker. I've had a P60 for a couple months now. New to calibration but very interested in it. I've installed a few of the calibrations posted on here but I've always wondered why nobody uses clear action? I've read a little about it but not much. I know it makes the screen darker (maybe too dark?). I was reading this hd guru article and they seem to like clear action:




"Using our 1000 frame per second camera, we learned the backlight scanning is operational whether the control is set to “Off” or “On”. When set to off, the Vizio shuts off about one-third of the LEDs in a horizontal strip that moves from top to bottom. With Smooth Motion Effect set to “On” the black strip widens to about two-thirds of the of the screen height. We do not know why “Off” is really “Low”.
Using our FPD motion resolution disc the Vizio with both Clear Action (CA) and Smooth Motion Effect set to “Off” yielded 320 lines of motion resolution. Activating the Clear Action with the Smooth Motion set to “Off” motion resolution stayed at 320 lines. With Clear Action back in the “Off” position and Smooth Motion in the Low position the motion resolution came in around 640 lines, Mid and High read 800 lines. With CA “On” and Smooth Motion in Low also read 800 lines. Changing the setting to Mid or High motion resolution read the full 1080 lines. The FPD disc was recorded at 1080i HD."


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Where is Smooth Motion Effect in the menu. Does it have a different name?

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Smooth motion effect was replaced with two settings Reduce Judder, and Reduce Motion Blur. Reduce Judder if set over two creates SOE. Reduce Motion Blur is for 60 hertz video. Haven't played anything that's 60 hertz so don't know how well it works. Have mine set at two.

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newbie here, should I adjust color tune if I dont own one of those color calibration devices? I tried playing with it and it doesnt seem it make a huge difference
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newbie here, should I adjust color tune if I dont own one of those color calibration devices? I tried playing with it and it doesnt seem it make a huge difference

There is no real point in messing with the CT or advanced settings without a meter. Can you, sure it's a roll of the dice and you may make things worse however.


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FYI from the Vizio CTO:

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Will we have full 11 point greyscale and CMS control for each input? Or only be able to tweak brightness/contrast, etc.

Being able to do complete full different calibrations for different inputs would be awesome! This was a limitation on the 2014 P, only one full calibration per color setting. So if you wanted a different calibration, you had to start with say "computer" and really jack the settings around to get the color correct.

It would be really nice if we could save different gamma curves, for example a BT1886 calibration, a power calibration, a calibration with FALD on and one with it off. We have had a lot of debates on calibration the P series. Being able to directly compare these curves would be really nice.

Lastly, as an aside, do you have any experience/recommendations on calibrating the gamma curve: FALD on or FALD off?
Similar architecture... the thought process is that you use CMS to dial in the panel to the target color temp etc. This is something you would not want changing input to input as you are dialing in your specific panel. Then all other picture controls will give you further control from that calibrated base line are input specific.

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FALD on/off for calibration. We factory calibrate to Gamma 2.2 with FALD off. Turning it on can have a small effect but not much (Gamma will stay between 2.2-2.3). If you then went into Gamma settings and changed from the preset 2.2 to 2.4 you would get something extremely close to BT1886. Then adjustments in the 11 point for 40 IRE and below can refine it further.
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I recently got my P60 calibrated again for day and night viewing from CalWldLif and he did an excellent job. The tv drifted since the last calibration from the previous firmware 1.2.23.

Here are my new settings and they look great. Thanks again CalWldLif.

Firmware: 1.3.26-UHD

Picture Mode: Calibrated (Day)
Backlight: 60
Brightness: 53
Contrast: 50
Color: 46
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 19


Picture Mode: Calibrated Dark (Night)
Backlight: 45
Brightness: 49
Contrast: 49
Color: 45
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 19


More Picture settings:

Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 10
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.4


Red Green Blue Cyan Magenta Yellow
Hue -3 3 - 3 0 0 0
Saturation 2 -2 -5 0 0 0
Brightness 2 2 2 0 0 0

Offset -11 -10 -8
Gain 6 5 -18


Color Calibration 11 Point White Balance Settings:

IRE% R G B

5% 0 0 0
10% 0 0 0
20% 4 4 3
30% 0 0 0
40% -7 -7 -8
50% -7 -7 -7
60% -14 -14 -17
70% -4 -4 -4
80% 0 0 0
90% 3 2 0
100% 0 0 0
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I've had the 55 inch set for a couple weeks. It looks fantastic with 1080 p sources (PS4, Casting, etc.), but I can't seem to get the picture right with my DISH settings. The colors looks washed out and the images look soft. I know the set is not known for its tremendous upscaling capabilities, but some channels look downright mediocre at best. I've tried some of the calibration settings on this site and others and it is hit or miss. Does anyone have any suggestions? BTW, the DISH settings are set at 16x9 and 1080i/1080p.
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I've had the 55 inch set for a couple weeks. It looks fantastic with 1080 p sources (PS4, Casting, etc.), but I can't seem to get the picture right with my DISH settings. The colors looks washed out and the images look soft. I know the set is not known for its tremendous upscaling capabilities, but some channels look downright mediocre at best. I've tried some of the calibration settings on this site and others and it is hit or miss. Does anyone have any suggestions? BTW, the DISH settings are set at 16x9 and 1080i/1080p.
The source of the picture is the problem (dish). I have the hopper 3 now which was better than last but the lack of 1080p content sucks

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