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does Apple TV support Dolby Vision and Atmos on it for Netflix?
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does Apple TV support Dolby Vision and Atmos on it for Netflix?
Yes but the apple tv will need to be connected directly to the Atmos capable device.

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does Apple TV support Dolby Vision and Atmos on it for Netflix?
Yes but the apple tv will need to be connected directly to the Atmos capable device.

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So I can’t hook it to my receiver to get Dolby vision
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I mean picture mode between these three which is the best one to use and what are the differences

Calibrated NoLights/Calibrated Dark/Calibrated
Calibrated no lights is used for no room lighting, dark is for dim everyday lighting, and day is for a bright or daylight lit room.




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I only see calibrated and calibrated dark I don’t have the option for calibrated no lights

Also shoman on your setting for the 11 point
Do I change all of the gain percentages does that effect the tv or it only effect the gain that I select if so which gain is the best to use
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does Apple TV support Dolby Vision and Atmos on it for Netflix?
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I read somewhere that this tv doesn’t support Apple TV with Dolby vision
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I read somewhere that this tv doesn’t support Apple TV with Dolby vision
My friend who bought my TV uses the Apple TV 4k and DV works just fine.
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How to enabling SDR - HDR - DV Calibration Settings

I have spent several hours searching this forum and I have not found the answer to a question I have about enabling the SDR - HDR - DV calibration settings. Using the recommended settings in this thread, I have created and saved the 3 calibration setttings.


How do I know that the HDR calibration settings are in use when I am watching a UHD disc on my P65-C1 from my SamsungUBD-K8500 player?



In general, do I have to toggle to the right calibration settings based on the content I am trying to watch? If so, what is the best way to do that?
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I have spent several hours searching this forum and I have not found the answer to a question I have about enabling the SDR - HDR - DV calibration settings. Using the recommended settings in this thread, I have created and saved the 3 calibration setttings.


How do I know that the HDR calibration settings are in use when I am watching a UHD disc on my P65-C1 from my SamsungUBD-K8500 player?



In general, do I have to toggle to the right calibration settings based on the content I am trying to watch? If so, what is the best way to do that?
Calibration tables are recalled automatically when the content is being watched. If you created picture modes and made changes to the calibration tables for each, then you did it wrong. The SDR table is the default and will be used until you watch something in HDR10/Dolby Vision. In order to change the other tables, load something in HDR10 and perform the changes while HDR10 is active. Do the same for Dolby Vision.
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Calibration tables are recalled automatically when the content is being watched. If you created picture modes and made changes to the calibration tables for each, then you did it wrong. The SDR table is the default and will be used until you watch something in HDR10/Dolby Vision. In order to change the other tables, load something in HDR10 and perform the changes while HDR10 is active. Do the same for Dolby Vision.
skschatzman - Thank you for the prompt response!
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FIRMWARE: 5.0.14.1 (UPDATED 11/24/18)
BG LED display Profiled with ColorMunki Photo
D65 HD Rec.709 w/2.2 Gamma
FALD ON, 10% window, Constant APL
White: 125cd/m²(nits)


Picture Mode: Calibrated NoLights/Calibrated Dark/Calibrated
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 20/40/85
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50/50/55
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active Full Array: On
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Clear Action: Off, ON for GAME
Reduce Motion Judder: 0
Reduce motion Blur: 0
Game Low Latency: 0ff, ON for GAME
Film Mode: On
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2 (Calibrated NoLights, Calibrated Dark) 2.0 (Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue
Red: 3
Green: 0
Blue: -2
Cyan: 1
Magenta: 0
Yellow: -1

Saturation
Red: -4
Green: -5
Blue: -2
Cyan: 0
Magenta: -4
Yellow: -2

Brightness
Red: 2
Green: -2
Blue: 0
Cyan: -3
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: -7
Green: 0
Blue: -4

Gain
Red: 0
Green: 11
Blue: 0

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5% 27,10,32

10% -10,-13,10

20% -4,-2,-2

30% 8,3,5

40% 12,2,8

50% 0,7,7

60% -5,1,3

70% 5,3,4

80% 2,1,1

90% 0,-2,-5

100% 15,-1,-7


================================================== ===================================


Dolby Vision HDR Settings(UPDATED 11/24/18)
FIRMWARE: 5.0.14.1
BG LED display setting Profiled with ColorMunki Photo
BT.2020 Colorspace / Dolby Vision P75 EOTF
FALD ON
Gamma 2.2
10% window Constant APL

Picture Mode:Calibrated Dark/Calibrated

Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 30
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50/55
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active Full Array: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 0
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: Off
Film Mode: On
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2/2.0 (Calibrated Dark/Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue:
Red: -3
Green: 10
Blue: -4
Cyan: -2
Magenta: 6
Yellow: -5

Saturation
Red: 5
Green: 0
Blue: -6
Cyan: 10
Magenta: 0
Yellow: -2

Brightness
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: 0
Green:0
Blue: 0

Gain
Red: 20
Green: 37
Blue: 20

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5% 0,7,25

10% -5,4,10

20% -7,2,-3

30% 4,7,2

40% 15,8,7

50% 1,12,4

60% 5,13,6

70% 10,12,5

80% 0,0,0

90% 0,0,0

100% 0,-2,-5

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HDR-10 Settings(UPDATED 11/24/18)
FIRMWARE: 5.0.14.1
BG LED display setting Profiled with ColorMunki Photo
BT.2020 Colorspace / ST2084 HDR PQ
FALD ON
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Picture Mode:Calibrated Dark/Calibrated
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 55
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 55/58
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active Full Array: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 0
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: Off
Film Mode: On
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2/2.0 (Calibrated Dark/Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue:
Red: 1
Green: 6
Blue: 0
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 3

Saturation
Red: -6
Green: 0
Blue: -4
Cyan: -6
Magenta: -5
Yellow: -3

Brightness
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0

Gain
Red: 10
Green: 22
Blue: 0

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5% -7,0,-5

10% -23,0,4

20% -14,0,-11

30% -9,2,-7

40% -4,0,-5

50% -12,9,-3

60% -15,12,0

70% -10,10,0

80% -14,12,3

90% 0,13,0

100% 0,0,0
Hello is this first calibration setting the one that says rev 709 is that for standard non hdr10/Dolby vision viewing? Is that the setting used for standard Blu- ray and cable? And I don’t see on the pic mode we’re it says calibrated no lights is there a way to make a custom pic mode someone please help me
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Hello is this first calibration setting the one that says rev 709 is that for standard non hdr10/Dolby vision viewing? Is that the setting used for standard Blu- ray and cable? And I don’t see on the pic mode we’re it says calibrated no lights is there a way to make a custom pic mode someone please help me
Yes, 709 is 4k SDR and HD or SD viewing. Rev 2020 is for HDR10 and DV.

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Hello is this first calibration setting the one that says rev 709 is that for standard non hdr10/Dolby vision viewing? Is that the setting used for standard Blu- ray and cable? And I don’t see on the pic mode we’re it says calibrated no lights is there a way to make a custom pic mode someone please help me
Yes, 709 is 4k SDR and HD or SD viewing. Rev 2020 is for HDR10 and DV.[/QUOTE

I don’t see the option for calibrated no lights is that considered standard?
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Hello is this first calibration setting the one that says rev 709 is that for standard non hdr10/Dolby vision viewing? Is that the setting used for standard Blu- ray and cable? And I don’t see on the pic mode we’re it says calibrated no lights is there a way to make a custom pic mode someone please help me
Yes, 709 is 4k SDR and HD or SD viewing. Rev 2020 is for HDR10 and DV.[/QUOTE

I don’t see the option for calibrated no lights is that considered standard?
You can create one or adjust to those settings when watching with no lights in. There are just minor differences in regards to settings like the back light.

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I have the 2017 p series I just realized this thread is for the older version will the pq setting apply to mine also I can’t seem to find any pq setting anywhere except rting.com
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2016 and 2017 P Series are the same TV.

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skschatzman - Thank you for the prompt response!
I have a few follow-up questions:


1) I loaded the UHD of Wonder Woman and it looks like my P65-C1 loaded the "Calibrated" table. Are you saying I should update "Calibrated" table settings to the recommended calibration settings from this forum and save the "Calibrated" table revisions? When I watch another HDR 10 movie, these revised "Calibrated" table will be loaded?



2) In at least one of the HDR 10 calibration recommendations in this forum, the recommendation is "Calibrated Dark". Is that to say I should switch to the "Calibrated Dark" table when watching Wonder Woman and then make the rest of the recommended HDR 10 calibration settings to this table? If so, how does the TV know to load this table instead of the "Calibrated" table when playing HDR 10 content?


3) When playing a standard Blu Ray like American Sniper, the "Standard" will be loaded and I should update the calibration settings to that table and save it - is that correct?
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I have a few follow-up questions:


1) I loaded the UHD of Wonder Woman and it looks like my P65-C1 loaded the "Calibrated" table. Are you saying I should update "Calibrated" table settings to the recommended calibration settings from this forum and save the "Calibrated" table revisions? When I watch another HDR 10 movie, these revised "Calibrated" table will be loaded?



2) In at least one of the HDR 10 calibration recommendations in this forum, the recommendation is "Calibrated Dark". Is that to say I should switch to the "Calibrated Dark" table when watching Wonder Woman and then make the rest of the recommended HDR 10 calibration settings to this table? If so, how does the TV know to load this table instead of the "Calibrated" table when playing HDR 10 content?


3) When playing a standard Blu Ray like American Sniper, the "Standard" will be loaded and I should update the calibration settings to that table and save it - is that correct?
You are confusing calibration tables with picture modes. Picture modes are used for custom viewing scenarios like watching in a dark room or in a bright room. Calibration tables are the settings that are used based on the content you are watching. Calibration tables are saved to the color temperature and are automatically loaded when you watch content.

If you watching any content in a dark room, then use the calibrated dark picture mode. If you are watching in a room with light, use the calibrated picture mode. That is all you need to worry about.
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I have the 2017 p series I just realized this thread is for the older version will the pq setting apply to mine also I can’t seem to find any pq setting anywhere except rting.com
2016 and 2017 P Series are the same TV.
I meant 2018 p series can I use the same setting for this tv?
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I have the 2017 p series I just realized this thread is for the older version will the pq setting apply to mine also I can’t seem to find any pq setting anywhere except rting.com
2016 and 2017 P Series are the same TV.
I meant 2018 p series can I use the same setting for this tv?
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5.0.16 now. Noticed Dolbyvision black bars and black Netflix splash screen is blooming.

Anyone else noticed this? I have a P65-C1

SDR blacks are good.

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I read somewhere that this tv doesn’t support Apple TV with Dolby vision
No problems with ATV 4K and Dolby Vision, just make sure you have a HDMI premium certified cable (monoprice ones work)

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I just tested Netflix HDR10 on Xbox One X Netflix casting Dolbyvision with the P65 and the black on both are gray. Looks terrible.
Who can we contact about this?

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I just tested Netflix HDR10 on Xbox One X Netflix casting Dolbyvision with the P65 and the black on both are gray. Looks terrible.
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Is full uhd color turned on?
Are you using the correct color space on xb1x and Vizio set?
Is brightness set at 50?

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I just tested Netflix HDR10 on Xbox One X Netflix casting Dolbyvision with the P65 and the black on both are gray. Looks terrible.
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You aren't giving us any useful information to go on. Can you articulate the issues with descriptive information? Post some pictures of the problems and the settings you are using for both the TV and external source devices.
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For some reason, some times I'm unable to post anything on the main Vizio display page (I get "Database Error")? I've contacted the Administrators of this site multiple times and they haven't been able to help either so I'm posting here:

Anyone else having problems watching Vudu with their Vizio display? Every time I watch a title on Vudu using the built-in app, when I "Pause" a title, it starts playing again after a short time without any action from me. Also, I was watching a Dolby Vision title the other day (Escape Room 4k DV) and after a while, it reverted to SDR. I had to switch over the the Apple TV 4k device to continue watching it in HDR (DV). Very weird.

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I have a Spyder and a calibration software on my laptop. Can someone tell me how to use the Color Tuner? For instance, what tells us that we need to reduce Yellow Hue (in the Color Tuner) by 2. How does that work? I ask because, for the time being, my newly acquired P75-F1 is sitting next to my OLED B6. The colors are almost identical ... except, the whites on the Vizio seem to have a slight yellow tinge. Not sure what I need to tweak to correct that. Thanks.
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I have a Spyder and a calibration software on my laptop. Can someone tell me how to use the Color Tuner? For instance, what tells us that we need to reduce Yellow Hue (in the Color Tuner) by 2. How does that work? I ask because, for the time being, my newly acquired P75-F1 is sitting next to my OLED B6. The colors are almost identical ... except, the whites on the Vizio seem to have a slight yellow tinge. Not sure what I need to tweak to correct that. Thanks.
Thats grayscale, Offset and Gain. The white balance would then be used to balance gray at different percentages up to 100% white.

I can't go in detail right now, perparing to leave for work,

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I have a Spyder and a calibration software on my laptop. Can someone tell me how to use the Color Tuner? For instance, what tells us that we need to reduce Yellow Hue (in the Color Tuner) by 2. How does that work? I ask because, for the time being, my newly acquired P75-F1 is sitting next to my OLED B6. The colors are almost identical ... except, the whites on the Vizio seem to have a slight yellow tinge. Not sure what I need to tweak to correct that. Thanks.
Which calibration software are you using. I am not able to explain Spyder's software, X-rites (even though I have an i1Display Pro and i1Pro 2), or Chromapure's software, just from lack of use. I'm not skilled in lightspace either.

If you are using HCFR, then it is straight forward. First, I measure 100% white and set my backlight up to the targeted illumination I intend to use. This is usually targeting 100-120 nits for SDR if using a dark room. But, whatever your target is, set it. Then move on to white and black flashing bars to set brightness (black bars for black level) and contrast (white bars for white level). For black bars, 16 should be flat black and the bar not visible, whereas 17 should just barely be visible. For white bars, you are shooting for 235, but you want to set it as high as possible and not cause the bars to disappear below that value. There is a little more to it then that, but generally.

Then move onto the flashing pattern with the boxes on bars. For this, I use the R. Masciola patterns, usually. This can be used to set the color and tint by eye. You need to put the display into blue only mode. To do this, go into color tuner, then click on the red and green until you see an X going through them. This should put it into blue only mode. You then adjust the color setting until the white on blue box matches that bar as close as possible, same with the inverse box (blue on white). With blue only mode, they just look blue, so you are trying to match the shades of blue. You repeat with tint, using the magenta and cyan boxes.

As an alternative to this, I believe it was Huffman that suggested using 21% of the white reading for the 100% red (his guide is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...-enhanced.html ).

After that is set, you then measure the 20% or 30% gray and 80% gray or 100% white. This needs measured without gamma being added in, that way you can overall balance the gain (high end signal) and offset (low end signal) to try to get the RGB to align as close as possible over the center gray scale (the top being off is less critical than the center, primarily, and somewhat the lower). From there, you need to do your gray scale balance with gamma.

Then you will be ready to start messing with the hue, saturation, and brightness. That is where I often prefer to jump straight into measuring the 20/25% saturation scale for each color. I find trying to set it up for only the 100% values can throw the colors off in the middle on my set. So I change each one, one at a time, then re-run the saturation scale for that color. Repeat until you get the lowest overall average, but without overly driving up the 100% dE value, which for my sets often was the one to go off the deep end compared to the others.

After you do this for all colors (both primaries and secondaries), at a minimum, you should go back and rebalance the gray scale again, as getting the colors properly setup WILL often throw off the gray scale slightly. In fact, best practice is to continually go back and check that the new settings don't cause the need to reset the older settings just set throughout the process. After the gray scale is correct again, if you like, you can go back through checking the saturation values for each color again and adjusting the Hue, Saturation, and Brightness as needed (if those need changed at all, you will need to check the gray scale again).

Once that is fully balanced and done, run the color checker to look for any issues on specific colors, but you are pretty well done.

Hope this helps, and read through the Huffman guide I linked here. There are different ways to approach it, and there is an art to calibration, but hopefully that will get you started.
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