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per color temp. CMS/grayscale for SDR won't affect HDR and vise versa.
That second sentence is a little confusing. Are you saying I can do a CMS/grayscale calibration when in an HDR disc or stream and it will be saved as unique from my SDR calibration? Sorry if I'm being obtuse.
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That second sentence is a little confusing. Are you saying I can do a CMS/grayscale calibration when in an HDR disc or stream and it will be saved as unique from my SDR calibration? Sorry if I'm being obtuse.
Yes exactly! The CMS/Grayscale is unique to HDR and SDR. However the standard settings affect one another, like Color Setting and Gamma.
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That second sentence is a little confusing. Are you saying I can do a CMS/grayscale calibration when in an HDR disc or stream and it will be saved as unique from my SDR calibration? Sorry if I'm being obtuse.

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Yes exactly! The CMS/Grayscale is unique to HDR and SDR. However the standard settings affect one another, like Color Setting and Gamma.
Thanks a million! I never really understood how you could have two CMS/Grayscale settings within normal color temp. I've input your SDR settings, now I'll pop an HDR disc in my Philips and do my HDR CMS/grayscale settings.

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I'm debating purchasing either the i1display pro or the colormunki display for my P50. From all that I can gather, they are physically the same meter outside of software and the i1display pro being a bit faster on readings. Now, my use case will be strictly SDR calibration using HCFR. Due to price and the fact that I'd only calibrating 1 tv I can't really justify the jump to calman enthusiast. I'm ok with giving up the ability to do a DV/HDR calibration. Based on this it seems like the colormunki display will be just fine for my use case. I'm not concerned that it may take slightly longer to get pattern readings. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything (either issues with the colormunki display and HCFR or issues people might have run into using one on the P series). Thanks.


Spend the extra money on the i1 display pro, so that way if you eventually move on to other calibration software it will still work. The colormunki display only works with HCFR.
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Spend the extra money on the i1 display pro, so that way if you eventually move on to other calibration software it will still work. The colormunki display only works with HCFR.
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ColorMunki Display / i1Display PRO are based under the same hardware; they both have sealed and higher quality filters and they are less sensitive to drift over the time, you will get better and more stable reading to any pulse display (Plasma/DLP projectors etc.) with i1Display PRO because it has better refreshing rate scan capability, I prefer i1Display PRO also because is supported from more calibration software solutions.

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You can use ColorMunki Display with HCFR and ArgyllCMS/DispcalGUI only.

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Spend the extra money on the i1 display pro, so that way if you eventually move on to other calibration software it will still work. The colormunki display only works with HCFR.
Have you experimented at all with using the HDR10 workflow with the DV Metadata enabled. Isn't it mostly the same as long as it puts the tv in HDR mode considering they share settings. Also what is the best way to calibrate the CMS with HDR10 workflow......colors seem quite a bit over saturated when using the HDR10 workflow.

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Here is my HDR Calibration for the P65-C1. These work for HDR10 and Dolby Vision. You want to leave Backlight, Brightness, and Contrast all at default. If you find it too dim just do a mode in Calibrated with the same exact settings only put backlight to 100 and use Calibrated ad HDR10 and Calibrated Dark as Dolby vision. On this set 50 Backlight looks ideal. Report Below..........Enjoy!
I copied all of your settings and eas checking out some HDR10/Dav content on Netflix. The Netflix logo, I noticed looked orange, almost a burnt orange. I understand every set is different, but is there a specific setting you can point me to so I can adjust it more towards its intended red?

By all means, I'm just one who appreciates a calibrated signal, but I have zero training in having the skills to actually calibrate. Other than that, I loved the image quality!
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DolbyVision is Calman only, but is there any way to calibrate HDR10 with HCFR and a i1 Display?

I finally bit the bullet and bought a K8500. HDR in 4K looks really nice. Would love to tweak it though.

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I copied all of your settings and eas checking out some HDR10/Dav content on Netflix. The Netflix logo, I noticed looked orange, almost a burnt orange. I understand every set is different, but is there a specific setting you can point me to so I can adjust it more towards its intended red?

By all means, I'm just one who appreciates a calibrated signal, but I have zero training in having the skills to actually calibrate. Other than that, I loved the image quality!
Do you have color at 45? Otherwise probably best to 0 out the red Saturation, Brightness, Hue. Playing around with that color should get you close.

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Selling your k8500? Why?
I guess I feel like some discs still need work. I am going to wait it out for a DV Player.....I have a feeling alot of discs will eventually be re-released with an option for DV on the disc also once the DV player comes out. Like DTS and Dolby. The discs will play HDR10 but if there is DV it will use that instead. I am also more than satisfied streaming DV right now anyway.

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Spend the extra money on the i1 display pro, so that way if you eventually move on to other calibration software it will still work. The colormunki display only works with HCFR.
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+1

ColorMunki Display / i1Display PRO are based under the same hardware; they both have sealed and higher quality filters and they are less sensitive to drift over the time, you will get better and more stable reading to any pulse display (Plasma/DLP projectors etc.) with i1Display PRO because it has better refreshing rate scan capability, I prefer i1Display PRO also because is supported from more calibration software solutions.

About your TV calibration, ColorMunki Display is not supported by CalMAN/LightSpace/ChromaPure calibration software.

You can use ColorMunki Display with HCFR and ArgyllCMS/DispcalGUI only.

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Thanks for the responses. I did go ahead and purchase an i1display pro with expected delivery on Thursday. The colormunki most likely would have been fine for me, but in the end it came down to the peace of mind that if I do want to utilize software other than HCFR down the road it's at least an option. While that ships, I've got quite a bit of back reading to do in here and the HCFR thread!

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Thanks for the responses. I did go ahead and purchase an i1display pro with expected delivery on Thursday. The colormunki most likely would have been fine for me, but in the end it came down to the peace of mind that if I do want to utilize software other than HCFR down the road it's at least an option. While that ships, I've got quite a bit of back reading to do in here and the HCFR thread!
I know @shoman94 would be a great asset also.....he has spent quite a bit of time with HCFR.

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back reading has already been incredibly helpful, but I'm sure I'll have some questions in a few days and will be sure to post up results for others to give feedback on. I used HCFR in the past to do a simple grayscale on my old plasma, but it certainly looks more fully featured these days. I'm pretty curious about using the chrome cast support to do grayscale and gamma. Anyone know if the issue with calibrating CMS using HCFR and casting was ever fixed by Vizio? Seems it wasn't functional at least on older firmware.

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Can someone please explain to my why on certain channels I have little black bar on the top.....also the picture size and picture position are gone from settings
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They were there last night and I adjusted it but had to reset and hook everything up again and now those options are gone
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Anybody have any football picture setting recommendations??? I have a P65 calibrated to Beardontwalk's but just curious if anybody is using Clear Action or customizing any settings just for college/NFL?

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Anybody have any football picture setting recommendations??? I have a P65 calibrated to Beardontwalk's but just curious if anybody is using Clear Action or customizing any settings just for college/NFL?

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The settings I have posted are great for football also. You could bump up backlight a little if you would like. CA doesn't affect football at all, I didn't see a difference with it on or off.
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DolbyVision file

I've looked all over and can't find the .dvgr file for the p65. Can someone please direct me to it.

Also, in the Calman program to calibrate for Dolbyvision, what should I set "target display type" to.

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The settings I have posted are the best you could have for football. You could bump up backlight a little if you would like. CA doesn't affect football at all, I didn't see a difference with it on or off.
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Came out wrong.....best as in if you are using my settings those should work best for football due to the 2.2 power gamma, which I heard the live cameras use for football. Is that right? I don't know.....does it look good? Yes! I am going to do another one and 2.4 gamma with the low end (5% and 10%) at 2.2 and see how that looks. I have recently become a fan of power gamma over bt. 1886. Updated original post after reading.....haha
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**Updated 2/11/17**

Vizio P-50C1, Rec 709 SDR, target 120cd/m, bt1886 gamma (0 for absolute, 100% effective in HCFR settings)

Feel free to try these on your P50, but understand that due to panel variance it may or may not make things any better

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Patterns: R Masciola's advanced calibration disc (MP4 patterns via nvidia shield), 10%APL windows, 75/75 for color
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Firmware: 3.0.13.5

Some large differences numerically in these settings from my previous ones. Previously I had been using a ps4 with the Gamut Calibration Disc to serve patterns to HCFR. I've moved all but my OTA viewing to the nvidia shield, so for this calibration I've served up patterns via Plex on the shield. I also started using R Masciola's MP4 patterns (10% APL which is what I have used previously). I'm not 100% finished with adjustments but anything from here on out is just going to be extremely minor. Grayscale DE was .18 avg/.47 max. For color DE, .71 avg/1.31 max.

Picture Mode: start with calibrated dark, then save to a new preset of your choice
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Color temperature: Normal
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Reduce Block Noise: Off or Low depending on source
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Color Space: Auto
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20%: -27, -24, -20
30%: -32, -30, -26
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60%: -22, -27, -18
70%: -21, -26, -17
80%: -9, -10, -8
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Just an FYI. I re-calibrated my TV again with DisplayNoobs post one P55 settings. That made it look way better.

I followed it up with finally massaging the screen to reduce the DSE and banding. It significantly reduced it to the point where I can barely see it. Its only noticeable on the worst case scenario, which is hockey and other sports. But sooooo much better than before.

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Here's a very stupid and probably embarrassing question from a complete P series noob. How do I find out whether I am receiving a 4:4:4 or any other chroma? I have an upscaling LG BD player (2160p) that shows it is transmitting at 60Hz. My Vizio P50-C1 shows it is receiving 2160p.

And further, how do I even try changing them? I am guessing that should come from my blu-ray player. I suspect that I don't have that option in the player. I do have an AVR in the middle, a Pioneer Elite SC-95. Can I do the selection on the AVR?

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Can someone please post a decent set of calibration settings for the P-55 post firmware update?

I love the picture on my TV, but kind of feel I am missing out on a better picture
DisplayNoobs still look good post firmware.
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Did you change any of the saturation/brightness/gain/offset settings from DisplayNoobs?
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Did you change any of the saturation/brightness/gain/offset settings from DisplayNoobs?
Yes, used all of DisplayNoobs settings. Read top down under hue, satu, bright

Hue, Saturation, Brightness

Red 0, 0, -11
Green -13, 7, 9
Blue -2, 7, 6
Cyan 5, 2, 6
Magenta -7, -11, 0
Yellow 12, 26, 3

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Spent some time calibrating my P50 over the past few days with an i1display pro and HCFR. I calibrated using the AVS 709 disc, FALD off, APL patterns under the HCFR side. As suggested by some others earlier in the thread, I used the override black level at .01fL due to FALD being off for the calibration and aimed for bt.1886 gamma. The gamma still could use some fine tuning on the 11-point, but I've had enough of test patterns for a bit. At some point I may try calibrating another color temp but with FALD on during the calibration to see if there's any noticeable changes while viewing content.

Vizio P-50C1, Rec 709 SDR, target 125cd/m

Picture Mode: Calibrated Dark
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 15 (adjust to your liking. I generally use 45 for daytime)
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 10

Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Reduce Judder: 2
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off or Low depending on source
Reduce Block Noise: Off or Low depending on source
Film Mode: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2

Color Tuner: {Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow}

Hue: 12, -10, -9, 3, 0, 2
Saturation: -2, -4, 17, -19, -5, 1
Brightness: 15, 1, -3, 6, 4, 0

Offset:
Red -1
Green 0
Blue -1

Gain:
Red 15
Green 0
Blue -4

11-point WB {Red, Green, Blue}

5%: 0, 0, 0
10%: 26, 35, 14
20%: -2, -1, -4
30%: -7, -6, -7
40%: -1, -1, -6
50%: 1, 3, -4
60%: -12, -7, -12
70%: -22, -22, -22
80%: -11, -10, -13
90%: 4, -1, -8
100%: 1, -3, -16
These settings look great on my P50. Would you happen to have any settings for HDR?

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These settings look great on my P50. Would you happen to have any settings for HDR?

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Asked the same question, HDR is pretty much automatic. You can change minimal settings to your liking when its on. i.e backlight

Use your calibrated settings to hdr it will switch auto.
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