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Hi. I am new to this thread.

I just calibrated my brand new Vizio yesterday.
I used Chromapure and my professionnally calibrated EyeOne.

Wow, this TV is easy to dial in! The 11 steps grayscale adjustments are wonderful!
I just recently (re)calibrated my JVC projector and oh my, that was much more of a task...

I have one simple question: With projectors and lamps, usually people wait after a few hundred hours to do a final calibration since the lamp tends to drift (sometimes a lot) in colors as it matures. Does the same thing happen to LCD tv, and specifically to our Vizios? I suspect the answer will be no, those LCD panels do not drift, but I would like to know what users with older sets have noticed.

BTW, I really like this TV...You cannot beat a 2.35:1 11 foot wide screen and JVCs inky blacks, , but the HDR and brightness of this Vizio certainly beat what my JVC projector can do on those two counts!
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Shoman... that sounds like a contradiction in terms. You can't mess anything up, but you can..... A reset after painstakingly setting a bunch of controls is no fun. Guys, please elaborate on exactly what happens when calibrating for different formats. Does the Vizio actually tell you that it's the such and such register dedicated to format named such and such?

If not then I humbly suggest to the developers that they improve the ergonomics of this important feature. If someone wants to calibrate for SDR and doesn't know that there's a separate register, he could mess things up, it seems to me.
There is no contradiction. If you mess something up and things aren't looking right then you just start over. It's not a big deal. I think you are going way over the top with analyzing every little thing you do. Calibrating is time consuming yes, but it isn't rocket science. When you are watching/calibrating SDR then its the SDR register, when you are watching/calibrating DV then it's the DV register, when you are watching/calibrating HDR10 then its the HDR10 Register. Have fun with it a gain experience with your set. I do this because I enjoy the end results and I have fun getting there. I'm not a professional and it isn't my job but it is a release for me. All sets are different and they all act different. There isn't only one setting that works. Many roads lead to the same finish.
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I made some huge progress last night and this morning understanding how offset/gain effect the gamma curve. I figured out after trying out 30/80 and 30/100 that I get the best balance from 30/80. I also found that I needed to make bigger adjustments to my offset to correct my gamma curve closer to centered. This is making my 11pt adjustments a lot smaller and less time consuming. I recommend to anyone with huge 11pt adjustments to go back and try getting 0 and 100 as close to level with each other by making offset/gain adjustments before making any 11pt adjustments. I'll try to post my results tonight if I can.

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I made some huge progress last night and this morning understanding how offset/gain effect the gamma curve. I figured out after trying out 30/80 and 30/100 that I get the best balance from 30/80. I also found that I needed to make bigger adjustments to my offset to correct my gamma curve closer to centered. This is making my 11pt adjustments a lot smaller and less time consuming. I recommend to anyone with huge 11pt adjustments to go back and try getting 0 and 100 as close to level with each other by making offset/gain adjustments before making any 11pt adjustments. I'll try to post my results tonight if I can.

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Great to hear! One think you have to be mindful of in regards to Offset is how in effects you bottom end. Mainly 0-5% grayscale. It can effect the "Black Bar" effect they have. Not sure its a big deal with SDR but it gave me issues with HDR. I look forward to seeing your results!

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Great to hear! One think you have to be mindful of in regards to Offset is how in effects you bottom end. Mainly 0-5% grayscale. It can effect the "Black Bar" effect they have. Not sure its a big deal with SDR but it gave me issues with HDR. I look forward to seeing your results!
Yah that makes perfect sense now since we don't have a 0% adjustment. I guess as long as 0% is as close as possible without going below the curve, then it should be OK right?

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Yah that makes perfect sense now since we don't have a 0% adjustment. I guess as long as 0% is as close as possible without going below the curve, then it should be OK right?

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I don't know what the cutoff is but I would think anything higher than 0.0005nits might mess things up.

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2016/2017 Vizio P Series Calibration Thread

Havent tracked on here for days. Did anyone post any updates with p55 firmware 3.12?

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Vizio P65-C1 Calibration

*Disclaimer* Although these settings will not cause harm to your display, they may degrade the quality of the content displayed. Every display unit is unique like a fingerprint. Even if it is the exact same model as this one. These settings should not be used as a substitution for a proper calibration. Enjoy.

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Spectracal C6 HDR2000 Rev B-02 (Certified 11/17/2017) Meter Mode: LED BG (5.375" distance) Tripod Mounted
X-Rite i1Pro2 OEM Rev E (Enhanced 07/2017) Meter Mode: Direct View (7" distance) Tripod Mounted
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==={GLOBAL}===

Picture Modes: Calibrated Dark, Calibrated, Game, Game Dark
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color temperature: Normal*
Black Detail: Off
Xtreme Black Engine Pro: On
Reduce Judder: 10
Reduce Motion Blur: 10
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: Off
Pure Cinema: On
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.1(Calibrated Dark, Game Dark), 2.0(Calibrated,Game)

==={SDR}===

Colorspace Target: ITU-R BT.709
Gamma Formula: Power 2.2
Backlight: 20(Calibrated Dark, Game Dark), 85(Calibrated), 59(Game)

Color Tuner: R,G,B,C,M,Y
Hue: -2,1,-1,0,1,0
Saturation: 11,4,0,7,0,0
Brightness: -2,0,0,-5,-5,1

White Balance: R,G,B
Offset: 0,0,0
Gain: -7,0,-14

``5%: -1,8,32
`10%: 17,17,38
`20%: 2,4,4
`30%: 0,5,2
`40%: 10,7,3
`50%: 4,1,4
`60%: -9,1,-4
`70%: -2,7,0
`80%: -2,6,2
`90%: 0,4,2
100%: 0,0,1

==={HDR10}===

Colorspace Target: BT.2020 HDR
Gamma Formula: ST 2084 HDR(PQ)
Backlight: 59

Color Tuner: R,G,B,C,M,Y
Hue: 3,0,-1,1,0,-2
Saturation: 5,5,4,9,0,9
Brightness: -5,-5,-2,-6,-4,-2

White Balance: R,G,B
Offset: 0,1,0
Gain: -7,0,-17

``5%: -6,-6,11
`10%: 0,0,22
`20%: -17,-13,-13
`30%: -20,-15,-14
`40%: -16,-17,-19
`50%: -20,-21,-15
`60%: -43,-24,-30
`70%: 0,8,0
`80%: 0,10,1
`90%: 3,7,0
100%: 23,25,21

==={Dolby Vision}===
Colorspace Target: BT.2020
Gamma Formula: Dolby Vision Vizio P65 EOTF
Backlight: 30
Brightness: 50

Color Tuner: R,G,B,C,M,Y
Hue: 0,0,0,0,0,0
Saturation: 0,0,0,0,0,0
Brightness: 0,0,0,0,0,0

White Balance: R,G,B
Offset: 0,0,0
Gain: 18,24,7

``5%: 0,0,0
`10%: 0,0,0
`20%: 0,0,0
`30%: 0,0,0
`40%: 0,0,0
`50%: 0,0,0
`60%: 0,0,0
`70%: 0,0,0
`80%: 0,0,0
`90%: 0,0,0
100%: 0,0,0

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You can run out of a color sometimes if your two point is low, especially if you are going for a specific gamma curve. I moved green up just enough that balancing out the RGB was easy, as well hitting 100%. The display tracks linearly pretty well.

Blue does that to whites.
That's really a thing. On non-wide gamut displays I think that red usually runs out first. I'm not sure how it's on the P series, but both my M series are like that.
On my M60 I actually increased green gain to improve the native contrast ratio of my display, I also increased the other colors to keep everything balanced, and used the 'near white' patterns to make sure that nothing is being clipped. I used the same trick for HDR10 calibration, this allowed me get a bit more luminosity out of it without increasing the Contrast control and messing things up.

In case of my 2015 M series, I decided not to toy with green gain since red was pretty limited, and I had to set it to -1 and blue to -15 to get an accurate white balance.
My earlier attempts involved raising red gain, this resulted in some major clipping and I had to redo the calibration.

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Hi. I am new to this thread.

I just calibrated my brand new Vizio yesterday.
I used Chromapure and my professionnally calibrated EyeOne.

Wow, this TV is easy to dial in! The 11 steps grayscale adjustments are wonderful!
I just recently (re)calibrated my JVC projector and oh my, that was much more of a task...

I have one simple question: With projectors and lamps, usually people wait after a few hundred hours to do a final calibration since the lamp tends to drift (sometimes a lot) in colors as it matures. Does the same thing happen to LCD tv, and specifically to our Vizios? I suspect the answer will be no, those LCD panels do not drift, but I would like to know what users with older sets have noticed.

BTW, I really like this TV...You cannot beat a 2.35:1 11 foot wide screen and JVCs inky blacks, , but the HDR and brightness of this Vizio certainly beat what my JVC projector can do on those two counts!
Everything will drift over time, but I don't think it's very significant on LED displays. LEDs have very long lifetimes and should retain their properties for longer periods. I think that you should perform a checkup about every 6 months and if you find it has drifted a lot just redo or even touch up the calibration. One important thing to note is you should always let the TV and your meter warm up before you start taking measurements. I had to retweak things quite often when I started calibrating with a cold meter (I never calibrated a 'cold' display though).

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Everything will drift over time, but I don't think it's very significant on LED displays. LEDs have very long lifetimes and should retain their properties for longer periods. I think that you should perform a checkup about every 6 months and if you find it has drifted a lot just redo or even touch up the calibration. One important thing to note is you should always let the TV and your meter warm up before you start taking measurements. I had to retweak things quite often when I started calibrating with a cold meter (I never calibrated a 'cold' display though).

Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted to know! so I will recalibrate gain in about 6 months.
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That's really a thing. On non-wide gamut displays I think that red usually runs out first. I'm not sure how it's on the P series, but both my M series are like that.
On my M60 I actually increased green gain to improve the native contrast ratio of my display, I also increased the other colors to keep everything balanced, and used the 'near white' patterns to make sure that nothing is being clipped. I used the same trick for HDR10 calibration, this allowed me get a bit more luminosity out of it without increasing the Contrast control and messing things up.

In case of my 2015 M series, I decided not to toy with green gain since red was pretty limited, and I had to set it to -1 and blue to -15 to get an accurate white balance.
My earlier attempts involved raising red gain, this resulted in some major clipping and I had to redo the calibration.



Everything will drift over time, but I don't think it's very significant on LED displays. LEDs have very long lifetimes and should retain their properties for longer periods. I think that you should perform a checkup about every 6 months and if you find it has drifted a lot just redo or even touch up the calibration. One important thing to note is you should always let the TV and your meter warm up before you start taking measurements. I had to retweak things quite often when I started calibrating with a cold meter (I never calibrated a 'cold' display though).
Shoman experienced running out of red, while calibrating EOTF for Dolby Vision at 90-100%. He was trying to achieve greater nits. That was before the last beta, so things may have changed.

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Shoman experienced running out of red, while calibrating EOTF for Dolby Vision at 90-100%. He was trying to achieve greater nits. That was before the last beta, so things may have changed.

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Nothing has changed. Grayscale 85%+ in HDR.... Red cannot be added.....

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Nothing has changed. Grayscale 85%+ in HDR.... Red cannot be added.....

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Vizio p55 c1 settings for ps4 pro. I'm having a hard time with hdr. How can I get it "on" I have the latest firmware.
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There is no contradiction. If you mess something up and things aren't looking right then you just start over. It's not a big deal. I think you are going way over the top with analyzing every little thing you do. Calibrating is time consuming yes, but it isn't rocket science. When you are watching/calibrating SDR then its the SDR register, when you are watching/calibrating DV then it's the DV register, when you are watching/calibrating HDR10 then its the HDR10 Register. Have fun with it a gain experience with your set. I do this because I enjoy the end results and I have fun getting there. I'm not a professional and it isn't my job but it is a release for me. All sets are different and they all act different. There isn't only one setting that works. Many roads lead to the same finish.
I hear you, but I'm an engineer and I consider myself well versed in ergonomics. Having unnamed registers is bad ergonomics, period. Vizio needs to name registers. They also need to provide the ability to copy a user picture setting to another one. Because I for one would not trust registers that change behind my back without announcing themselves. One accident could ruin and waste a calibration in progress.

I do realize that the Vizio sets are fundamentally a consumer set and not a professional monitor. But there's no excuse for bad software that's an ergonomic mine trap.

I've seen some pretty bad professional ergonomics, Nikon camera's user settings being a bad example. So even professional products are subject to issues like these.
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Nothing has changed. Grayscale 85%+ in HDR.... Red cannot be added.....

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Hi, ST.2084 is an absolute curve, each digital level from code 64 until 940 has a specific luminance level according to the Dolby's golden reference numbers, when you calibrate, you are trying to follow up to the luminance levels the display is capable, for example if you have a 650nits capable display, you can calibrate up 70.5% of the signal....the levels above that will be clipped or roll-off (hard/soft), it's up to each display internal gamut/tone mapping programming.

Other examples:

75.2% is 1000 nits
90.2% is 4014 nits
97.7% is 8047 nits
100% is 10000 nits

The 85% of the signal (where you see that you can't add red) is 2471 nits.

You can see if you can improve the levels above your display's peak output capability by handle better the RGB balance of the higher output your display is capable (but not guaranteed....it's not working to all TV models/brands).

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Hi, ST.2084 is an absolute curve, each digital level from code 64 until 940 has a specific luminance level according to the Dolby's golden reference numbers, when you calibrate, you are trying to follow up to the luminance levels the display is capable, for example if you have a 650nits capable display, you can calibrate up 70.5% of the signal....the levels above that will be clipped or roll-off (hard/soft), it's up to each display internal gamut/tone mapping programming.

Other examples:

75.2% is 1000 nits
90.2% is 4014 nits
97.7% is 8047 nits
100% is 10000 nits

The 85% of the signal (where you see that you can't add red) is 2471 nits.

You can see if you can improve the levels above your display's peak output capability by handle better the RGB balance of the higher output your display is capable (but not guaranteed....it's not working to all TV models/brands).
I'm not sure I fully understand what you want me to try but when I said 85% of the Grayscale I meant for the capabilities of this display. So at a 10% window that about 450nits. Once we hit that, Red can't be boosted. I'm sure its due to the BG LED Backlight.

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I hear you, but I'm an engineer and I consider myself well versed in ergonomics. Having unnamed registers is bad ergonomics, period. Vizio needs to name registers. They also need to provide the ability to copy a user picture setting to another one. Because I for one would not trust registers that change behind my back without announcing themselves. One accident could ruin and waste a calibration in progress.

I do realize that the Vizio sets are fundamentally a consumer set and not a professional monitor. But there's no excuse for bad software that's an ergonomic mine trap.

I've seen some pretty bad professional ergonomics, Nikon camera's user settings being a bad example. So even professional products are subject to issues like these.
I agree, there are many things that could be changed which includes separating PIC modes for each Set of registers. I've been wanting that since day one of owning this set.
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I'm not sure I fully understand what you want me to try but when I said 85% of the Grayscale I meant for the capabilities of this display. So at a 10% window that about 450nits. Once we hit that, Red can't be boosted. I'm sure its due to the BG LED Backlight.
450 nits is about 66.5%.

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450 nits is about 66.5%.
But for us it is not. The 85% Grayscale of the P series is about 450nits.

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But for us it is not. The 85% Grayscale of the P series is about 450nits.
What's your measurement @ 65% + 70%? What software are you using?

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65% target for Dolby Vision is 140nits

65% target for HDR10 is 384nits

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65% target for Dolby Vision is 140nits

65% target for HDR10 is 384nits

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What's your selection @ CalMAN's Gamma Formula? (when you open the panel settings)

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What's your selection @ CalMAN's Gamma Formula? (when you open the panel settings)
For Dolby Vision its Dolby Video Golden Reference file for the P75 and for HDR 10 its the st2084.

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For Dolby Vision its Dolby Video Golden Reference file for the P75 and for HDR 10 its the st2084.
Ok, just loaded the (not sure if it's official, seems a pre-test release) P75 Dolby Reference file and I see the same numbers like you posted.

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Ok, just loaded the (not sure if it's official, seems a pre-test release) P75 Dolby Reference file and I see the same numbers like you posted.
It's the only one they released.

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It's the only one they released.

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They are released without permission, they went offline after VIZIO located the links.

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They are released without permission, they went offline after VIZIO located the links.


Hmmmm....interesting. We were never told that. We got them from the CTO of Vizio.


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They are released without permission, they went offline after VIZIO located the links.
Yea they were given to us my Matt. But they were also never considered a release.. more of a beta I guess.

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Hmmmm....interesting. We were never told that. We got them from the CTO of Vizio.

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The Golden Reference file has info inside about for the firmware version it's been generated, supposed to be a newer version of reference file with newer firmware release.

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