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i1display Pro is about $239. (Get the 2017 version - it's faster in the Black Regions.) Have a friend in Canada? Get them to buy it, since it will be cheaper when paid with US $s. Postage may be an added factor. Customs - it's a gift.

I don't think you can eye ball calibrate HDR!
I thought Ahro did "eye ball" calibrating?
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I thought Ahro did "eye ball" calibrating?
The HDR Brightness throws him off!

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Due to the number of requests, I now offer my UHD/HDR digital download files and UltraHD Blu-ray disc in a bundled package, now located on the purchase page of my website HERE. Thanks!

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Thanks for that! I just picked up the bundle.

I wanted to also confirm that I can use a ColorMunki Display with these patterns for HDR (I've read that it's essentially a repackaged i1Display Pro with a firmware lock to slow down reads).

Thanks for your hard work and for listening to the community!
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I wanted to also confirm that I can use a ColorMunki Display with these patterns for HDR (I've read that it's essentially a repackaged i1Display Pro with a firmware lock to slow down reads).
Some additional info related with these meter differences: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post53668481
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Thanks! I edited usercolors.csv and entered the 8 bit colors and labeled them with the code values that will appear in the menu for LG OLED 2016->HDR Standard Mode->White Balance->20 Point Code sequences. I attached it here as a text file for others to use if they like.
Dmarty, mascior pointed me to this as I'm now trying to calibrate HDR on my LG c6 with his patterns. I edited the usercolors.csv per your txt file figures but it's not changing what's displayed in HCFR's grayscale. I'm supposed to select user defined in color checker on preferences after selecting Rec2020 and SMPTE 2084 right? Is the csv file supposed to be renamed? Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe I need to go back to the official version of HCFR as I was using the newer mod provided by The Coolest, which enables Chromecast to work for SDR.
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Dmarty, mascior pointed me to this as I'm now trying to calibrate HDR on my LG c6 with his patterns. I edited the usercolors.csv per your txt file figures but it's not changing what's displayed in HCFR's grayscale. I'm supposed to select user defined in color checker on preferences after selecting Rec2020 and SMPTE 2084 right? Is the csv file supposed to be renamed?
If you're using this approach, then you need to run the Color Checker Sweep (Measures->Saturations->Color Checker) instead of Gray Scale. However, you still need to first measure the White.
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If you're using this approach, then you need to run the Color Checker Sweep (Measures->Saturations->Color Checker) instead of Gray Scale. However, you still need to first measure the White.
Oh weird. So it'll show the labels for the LG codes there? But what if I wanted to actually measure color checker? I'd have to re-edit the numbers in the csv?

EDIT: Also, when you saw measure the white, you mean the highest code value LG has on the grayscale (668) right?
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Oh weird. So it'll show the labels for the LG codes there? But what if I wanted to actually measure color checker? I'd have to re-edit the numbers in the csv?
It's not really weird as that's how hcfr uses the csv file. It will show the labels for the LG codes as heading.

When you want to measure an actual colour checker, just select a standard one in Preferences. No need to edit the csv.
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Some additional info related with these meter differences: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post53668481
Thanks for the information, I thought there was something wrong with my ColorMunki.



I've been attempting to calibrate HDR Standard on my LG OLED E6 via HFCR and Xbox One S.
  • When I change any value a single point in the white balance for slide 127 my entire screen visibly shifts colors.
  • I've tried leaving 127 as-is and I'm able to successfully calibrate white balance for 254, 320, 386, and 419.
  • However, when I check the standard grayscale test patterns, anything beyond 15% looks extremely red.

Just to clarify, does this mean that my TV's code alignment is way off? Does anyone know of a good way to fix the alignment without a service remote?

Thanks for all your help!
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I've been attempting to calibrate HDR Standard on my LG OLED E6 via HFCR and Xbox One S.
  • When I change any value a single point in the white balance for slide 127 my entire screen visibly shifts colors.
  • I've tried leaving 127 as-is and I'm able to successfully calibrate white balance for 254, 320, 386, and 419.
  • However, when I check the standard grayscale test patterns, anything beyond 15% looks extremely red.

Just to clarify, does this mean that my TV's code alignment is way off? Does anyone know of a good way to fix the alignment without a service remote?

Thanks for all your help!
Hi, ignore 127 adjustment to E6, there other adjustment steps which require careful adjustment, don't try to fix luminance errors, focus to fix RGB balance errors only, because large adjustments will introduce problems in grayscale/color ramps-shades/discoloration etc. Each adjustment control has it's own safe working range, it need a lot of testing beyond patterns to see if real content don't have issues also.

The internal controls vs. digital levels LG has posted for 2016 OLED's patterns have no alignment.
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Thanks for the information, I thought there was something wrong with my ColorMunki.



I've been attempting to calibrate HDR Standard on my LG OLED E6 via HFCR and Xbox One S.
  • When I change any value a single point in the white balance for slide 127 my entire screen visibly shifts colors.
  • I've tried leaving 127 as-is and I'm able to successfully calibrate white balance for 254, 320, 386, and 419.
  • However, when I check the standard grayscale test patterns, anything beyond 15% looks extremely red.

Just to clarify, does this mean that my TV's code alignment is way off? Does anyone know of a good way to fix the alignment without a service remote?

Thanks for all your help!
You really need to go read the E6... calibration thread. We talked about this last year a lot. Really old news and Ted is correct on the response.

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Anyone using the disc with an Xbox One S?

For some reason if I use the Black Clipping pattern the near black bars (1% up to 8%) show up as solid colors (Red, Green, Blue).

If I use an actual solid pattern and measure, it looks and measures normal. I also used a USB with the patterns playing directly from the TV and Black Clipping looks like normal.

Pretty sure it's an Xbox playback issue but wanted to see if others experienced this.

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Have used the disk several times now. Excellent disk. Love the pop up menu that allows me to scroll right to pattern that I need.
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If 100 nits is about 51% in the pattern just curious what would .005, .05, 5, 10 and 50 nits be in terms of % ?
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If 100 nits is about 51% in the pattern just curious what would .005, .05, 5, 10 and 50 nits be in terms of % ?
Hi Frank,

Here are a few nit/percentage examples. Thanks!

.001 (0.78%)

.005 (1.55%)

.05 (4.63%)

1 (15%)

5 (24.79%)

10 (29.97%)

50 (44.03%)

100 (50.81%)


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Any chance you have an Xbox One S to test the Black Clipping pattern on or access to one conveniently?

Just trying to see if the colored near black bars issue I described above show up on other systems as well.

What's weird is near black window patterns all appear normal except 3% black is tinted dark red. I can also see faint colored near black lines playing the grayscale ramp pattern on the Xbox as well.

If I play your HDR patterns off my USB stick directly from my LG TV using the same picture settings these colored near black issues don't show up. Trying to narrow it down to a possible encoding issue or something weird in how the Xbox handles near black.

Thanks!

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Any chance you have an Xbox One S to test the Black Clipping pattern on or access to one conveniently?

Just trying to see if the colored near black bars issue I described above show up on other systems as well.

What's weird is near black window patterns all appear normal except 3% black is tinted dark red. I can also see faint colored near black lines playing the grayscale ramp pattern on the Xbox as well.

If I play your HDR patterns off my USB stick directly from my LG TV using the same picture settings these colored near black issues don't show up. Trying to narrow it down to a possible encoding issue or something weird in how the Xbox handles near black.

Thanks!

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I should have a chance to test on a One S today, though I am confident that the anomalies being displayed are caused by your XBox. However, I would like to see if it's a configuration adjustment or an issue across all XBox One S units. I since tested my black clipping, near black, and grayscale ramp patterns on my Oppo BDP-203 and Samsung K8500 via disc and USB with no issues, when displayed on my LG B6. I will keep you updated. Thanks!

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I should have a chance to test on a One S today, though I am confident that the anomalies being displayed are caused by your XBox. However, I would like to see if it's a configuration adjustment or an issue across all XBox One S units. I since tested my black clipping, near black, and grayscale ramp patterns on my Oppo BDP-203 and Samsung K8500 via disc and USB with no issues, when displayed on my LG B6. I will keep you updated. Thanks!

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Thanks!

I too assume it is an Xbox issue but would be curious if it's a random instance with my setup or just something insurmountable with the Xbox itself.

If it's the latter, hopefully the Xbox X fixes it

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Thanks!

I too assume it is an Xbox issue but would be curious if it's a random instance with my setup or just something insurmountable with the Xbox itself.

If it's the latter, hopefully the Xbox X fixes it

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I was able to conduct some testing yesterday evening and I could not replicate the issue. However, I am not 100% convinced that this is a one-off type anomaly...configuration, maybe. The test setup was a XBox One S connected directly to an LG B6, all at factory default settings. Have you attempted resetting your displays configuration to default? Does your XBox One S route through an AVR first before hitting your display? Thanks!

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I was able to conduct some testing yesterday evening and I could not replicate the issue. However, I am not 100% convinced that this is a one-off type anomaly...configuration, maybe. The test setup was a XBox One S connected directly to an LG B6, all at factory default settings. Have you attempted resetting your displays configuration to default? Does your XBox One S route through an AVR first before hitting your display? Thanks!

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The issue is apparent with all LG HDR default picture settings. I also tried using 8, 10, and 12 bit settings on the Xbox.

But my Xbox is connected to a Yamaha RX-A2060. I'll hook the Xbox directly to the LG and see if it still happens. If not, it would imply an issue with the Yamaha (even though I have it set to Direct pass through for video).

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The issue is apparent with all LG HDR default picture settings. I also tried using 8, 10, and 12 bit settings on the Xbox.

But my Xbox is connected to a Yamaha RX-A2060. I'll hook the Xbox directly to the LG and see if it still happens. If not, it would imply an issue with the Yamaha (even though I have it set to Direct pass through for video).

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Would be nice if you could access a different uhd Bluray player. To see if the results are consistant or isolated to your Xbox.

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Hopefully when I hook it up directly to the LG the issue will be resolved which means it's something to do with my Yamaha settings so I can at least have the problem narrowed down

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I was able to conduct some testing yesterday evening and I could not replicate the issue. However, I am not 100% convinced that this is a one-off type anomaly...configuration, maybe. The test setup was a XBox One S connected directly to an LG B6, all at factory default settings. Have you attempted resetting your displays configuration to default? Does your XBox One S route through an AVR first before hitting your display? Thanks!

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Figured it out...kind of.

Just hooked the Xbox directly to the LG and reset all picture settings (including my service menu adjustments). Was still getting the colored near black issue though I noticed it was lesser on HDR Bright and even lesser on HDR Vivid. Besides Color Temp the big difference between the three HDR modes is the Color setting (Standard is 55, Bright is 60, Vivid is 70).

So I set the LG to HDR Standard and played with the Color setting. Going above 55 does nothing. But as soon as I went from 50 to 49 there was an immediate change to near black: all the bars that were colored switched to normal gray shades. And the pattern itself actually got slightly brighter (more near black detail). It was literally like breaking a wall. Absolutely no change from 55 down to 50. But as soon as I hit 49 everything looked normal.

It still seems like this is strictly an issue with my Xbox One S as playing your patterns off USB on my LG has none of these issues. Going to redo my calibration with Color of 49 and see what happens. Maybe when my Xbox One X arrives it won't have this issue.

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@mascior

Just from your expertise in authoring these patterns and getting the discs encoded, what I'm experiencing wouldn't be a disc mastering issue right?

Just wanted to ask because I wasn't sure how mastering issues present themselves or if it's like an HDMI cable where either it works or it doesn't.

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Just from your expertise in authoring these patterns and getting the discs encoded, what I'm experiencing wouldn't be a disc mastering issue right?

Just wanted to ask because I wasn't sure how mastering issues present themselves or if it's like an HDMI cable where either it works or it doesn't.

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No encoding took place during the authoring of this disc, just muxing. All the patterns utilized within the disc are the same exact files used within the downloadable version. All 1,300+ files are encoded H.265/.hevc files that can be muxed into any number of container, mp4, ts, mkv, m2ts (which is what's used for authoring) and so on. The variances you see (USB vs Disc) are solely based on the playback device's decoder and it's ability to decipher the stream properly. I guarantee, if the XBox One S had the ability to playback HEVC encoded streams via USB...you would see the same anomaly. Thanks!

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No encoding took place during the authoring of this disc, just muxing. All the patterns utilized within the disc are the same exact files used within the downloadable version. All 1,300+ files are encoded H.265/.hevc files that can be muxed into any number of container, mp4, ts, mkv, m2ts (which is what's used for authoring) and so on. The variances you see (USB vs Disc) are solely based on the playback device's decoder and it's ability to decipher the stream properly. I guarantee, if the XBox One S had the ability to playback HEVC encoded streams via USB...you would see the same anomaly. Thanks!

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Thanks! Just thought I'd ask for the sake of learning.

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Just a short question, did not find the answer or maybe I am blind.
If I buy the digital files, is it possible to make a disc with them? I mean with the menue and so on... Is it an ISO-File?

And is a DVD enough or do I need a BluRay Disc?

Sorry for the noob-questions...
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