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KS Series of TVs, and older, you can only calibrate the 2 Point.
Leave 10 Point turned Off. I did find on my KS9800 HDR, the CMS would calibrate with SmartLED on High, and HDR+ CMS with SmartLED on Low. Samsung pulls most of it's settings for HDR from the ASM. You have to learn to live with what they give you.

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KS Series of TVs, and older, you can only calibrate the 2 Point.
Leave 10 Point turned Off. I did find on my KS9800 HDR, the CMS would calibrate with SmartLED on High, and HDR+ CMS with SmartLED on Low. Samsung pulls most of it's settings for HDR from the ASM. You have to learn to live with what they give you.
What set of patterns did you use to calibrate CMS over HDR on your KS? What was the target?

Oh, by the way, calibrating the 2 point HDR gave me a pretty 10p readings. Some dE was almost 5, but major of them was below 2, so I can live with that.
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What set of patterns did you use to calibrate CMS over HDR on your KS? What was the target?

Oh, by the way, calibrating the 2 point HDR gave me a pretty 10p readings. Some dE was almost 5, but major of them was below 2, so I can live with that.
R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns for CMS - On my previous HU9000 + SEK-3500U - adjusting the CMS had way out of whack settings, and appeared to make things worse, but then, did it really matter. Samsung was over riding the Color Space from the ASM, no matter what setting: Auto, Native or Custom. On the KS, using Calman's HDR10 Calibration work flow, the CMS appeared to make actual changes when settings adjusted. BUT, only with SmartLED on High. HDR+, changes only happened with using the Home Enthusiast Workflow, and SmartLED on Low. Did it really matter? Was Samsung still actually over riding, but then again, why was I seeing actual changes? (Note: With the SmartLED on Low, the grayscale actually seemed to conform more to a linear reading.)

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R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns for CMS - On my previous HU9000 + SEK-3500U - adjusting the CMS had way out of whack settings, and appeared to make things worse, but then, did it really matter. Samsung was over riding the Color Space from the ASM, no matter what setting: Auto, Native or Custom. On the KS, using Calman's HDR10 Calibration work flow, the CMS appeared to make actual changes when settings adjusted. BUT, only with SmartLED on High. HDR+, changes only happened with using the Home Enthusiast Workflow, and SmartLED on Low. Did it really matter? Was Samsung still actually over riding, but then again, why was I seeing actual changes? (Note: With the SmartLED on Low, the grayscale actually seemed to conform more to a linear reading.)
I have R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns, but I'm using HCFR software for calibration.

So if you used the Calman Workflow I guess you used the "03. Calman 5.7.0 HDR-10 Workflow\04. CMS Adjust Module", which are 50% amp / 50% sat patterns, right?
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I have R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns, but I'm using HCFR software for calibration.

So if you used the Calman Workflow I guess you used the "03. Calman 5.7.0 HDR-10 Workflow\04. CMS Adjust Module", which are 50% amp / 50% sat patterns, right?
Not sure, will have to look it up next time I calibrate. Maybe awhile, since the KS9800 seems to be holding it's settings really well.

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I'm using the Calman 5.8.2.85 HDR-10 Calibration Workflow for 2 Point and CMS Modules. Grayscale cannot be calibrated.
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Which one of the 3 offerings for SDR should I be purchasing to calibrate the SDR ?
I've already purchased your HDR10 Patterns, but now need the SDR ones to put on a USB Flash stick in order to calibrate the USB SDR. (Which turns out, has it's own set of settings, so must be done with patterns on board.)

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I'm using the Calman 5.8.2.85 HDR-10 Calibration Workflow for 2 Point and CMS Modules. Grayscale cannot be calibrated.
On the KS, it can, but only in two-point. 10-point still has issues.
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On the KS, it can, but only in two-point. 10-point still has issues.
The CMS is also calibrating in the Calman HDR10 Workflow.

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I would like to start off by saying thank you to everyone here on AVS forum for your continued support regarding my first project “R.Masciola’s Advanced Calibration Disc” and glad to see that it has been a useful tool for many. Now, to take things to the next level, I would like to introduce my second project “R.Masciola’s HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns Suite”. Starting off as an idea over six months ago has finally come to light. Months of research went into these patterns as they were built from the ground up to adhere to the newest of industry standards, specifically, UHD, HDR10, WCG, and ST.2084. I would also like to thank Ron E.(dr1394), Tom Huffman(ChromaPure), Tyler Pruitt(SpectraCal), and zoyd(hcfr) for their help and support towards this project. I designed an entire suite of pattern files, “Basic Setup”, "Advanced Setup”, and “Miscellaneous Patterns”. I have also added the new HDR10 workflows form Calman, ChromaPure, and hcfr. Currently these patterns are only available to check/measure your HDR-10 enabled displays as most manufactures gray out your calibration adjustments when HDR is enabled. These patterns have been tested on a few Samsung, Sony, and LG HDR-10 enabled displays but may work on other displays that properly adhere to the HDR-10 industry standard. The pattern suite is available for download “HERE”. The pattern files are available in .ts (MPEG transport stream) and mp4 format utilizing HEVC and are encoded separately for user flexibility. I have tested every pattern after encoding, decoded once completed and referenced before/after triplets to provide reference patterns. I have listed the MediaInfo specifications below and have provided a link which includes a demo of my 11 step grayscale patterns in both ts and mp4 formats.

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Video
ID : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main [email protected]@Main
Codec ID : 36
Duration : 1mn 2s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.003
Stream size : 4.45 MiB (95%)
Writing library : x265 2.4+14-bc0e9bd7c08f5ddc:[Windows][GCC 6.3.0][64 bit] 10bit: KG7x [x265.ru]
Encoding settings : cpuid=1173503 / frame-threads=3 / numa-pools=8 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3840x2160 / interlace=0 / total-frames=1440 / level-idc=51 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=1 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / aud / hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=1 / keyint=24 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / no-strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / analysis-mode=0 / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=50000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=0 / vbv-maxrate=70000 / vbv-bufsize=50000 / vbv-init=0.9 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=1 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / sar=1 / overscan=0 / videoformat=0 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=1 / chromaloc-top=2 / chromaloc-bottom=2 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP (15635,16450)L(10000000,5) / max-cll=1000,400 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / opt-qp-pps / opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr / no-hdr-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / refine-level=5 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : SMPTE ST 2084
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : R: x=0.680000 y=0.320000, G: x=0.265000 y=0.690000, B: x=0.150000 y=0.060000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.329000
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0005 cd/m2, max: 1000.0000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 400 cd/m2

Audio
ID : 257 (0x101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : LC
Muxing mode : ADTS
Codec ID : 15
Duration : 1mn 2s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 46.875 fps (1024 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
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If your calibrating pattern source is a USB stick

Calibrating the USB Input Info
USB and USB HDR Input calibrated. Real learning curve !

# 1 MPEG 4 Patterns must be used for the SDR calibrations.
# 2 For those using a USB for their patterns for calibrating, you have to check whether you're actually calibrating the HDMI Input or USB.
# 3 It appears static patterns do the HDMI Input, versus moving/timed patterns do the USB. A careful check must be done beforehand !
# 4 When doing Manual calibrations, always do a 100 and 0% scan before calibrating the grayscale
# 5 When doing Manual calibrations, always do a 100 and 75% scan before calibrating the CMS
# 6 When doing Manual calibrations, always do a 0 and 100% scan before calibrating the HDR CMS.

Note: Calman 5.9.0.23 Beta is now available.

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Thank you to all of the members on this thread helping out with questions, my current workload has been preventing me form hopping on as much as I would like to. I have just completed REV_019 and should be ready to launch early next week. I am currently migrating servers to help with bandwidth and stability. Once completed, I will launch the revision. Thanks!

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Thank you to all of the members on this thread helping out with questions, my current workload has been preventing me form hopping on as much as I would like to. I have just completed REV_019 and should be ready to launch early next week. I am currently migrating servers to help with bandwidth and stability. Once completed, I will launch the revision. Thanks!

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When you release your Dolby vision patterns what time frame from the purchase of your hdr disk will customers be able to receive the update via email?

Also I am assuming these files and calman will be all that’s needed and you will not need to use the calman pattern generator correct?


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We discover that the problem is not present with the built in player of apple tv.

So it’s more a problem with the app Infuse or MrMC.
I was just trying this with Infuse yesterday and the results were way off. when you are saying the built in player of Apple TV does that mean you have added the files in iTunes on a Mac/PC and using the "computers" icon on your Apple TV to stream from your iTunes library?
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I was just trying this with Infuse yesterday and the results were way off. when you are saying the built in player of Apple TV does that mean you have added the files in iTunes on a Mac/PC and using the "computers" icon on your Apple TV to stream from your iTunes library?
Yes it’s right.
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Yes it’s right.
Thanks! I also found a thread at firecore's webpage with someone having issues using infuse and these patterns.
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Diversified Video Solutions UHD|HDR-10 Test Pattern Suite (.ts/.mp4) update REV_019!

**NOTE: This revision was compresses with 7-Zip. To extract, please utilize the 7-Zip extracting utility found at http://www.7-zip.org/ (PC) or The Keka extracting utility found at http://www.kekaosx.com/ (MAC)

Description

The entire pattern suite has been re-encoded utilizing the newest X265 encoder revision, along with the newest H.265 standards, ensuring maximum compatibility. A few legacy patterns from earlier revisions utilized a framerate of 23.976 (23000/1000), now reflects 23.976 (24000/1001). All MP4 patterns were muxed utilizing the hvc1 flag vs hev1 used in all previous revisions. This modification will provide even more compatibility across a wider array of platforms, media players and decoders (including, but not limited to, iOS devices). It is strongly recommended, even if you weren't affected by any playback errors, that you replace the entire suite with this newly updated revision. Sorry for any inconveniences that you may have experienced and thank you for your continued support!

Additions

- Test Footage Patterns now include TIF, PNG, & JPG files folders containing the original 3840x2160/sRGB stills for reference.

- Small modifications to the instruction manual

Pattern Suite File Size

8.27 GB (8,889,542,246 bytes) Zipped/Compressed

17.6 GB (18,976,049,566 bytes) Unzipped/Uncompressed


Next up, HLG Test Pattern Suite!


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Thank you, Ryan.

Question - how does one use the Chroma subsampling patterns?
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Thank you, Ryan.

Question - how does one use the Chroma subsampling patterns?
I believe they are to be used to show how your device/display combo does with subsampling at each level indicated by the filename of each.

Speaking of the Chroma subsampling patterns @mascior , extended info shows they were all mastered to 1000 nit (according to the Oppo 203); are they supposed to be mastered as indicated by each filename (i.e. 100nit, 500nit, 1000nit)?

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I believe they are to be used to show how your device/display combo does with subsampling at each level indicated by the filename of each.

Speaking of the Chroma subsampling patterns @mascior , extended info shows they were all mastered to 1000 nit (according to the Oppo 203); are they supposed to be mastered as indicated by each filename (i.e. 100nit, 500nit, 1000nit)?
Yes, I understand the purpose of them. My question was how to use them. What does one look for etc.?
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hi mascior,

ii want to calibrate HDR with HFCR and your patterns. Is it correct to adjust Rec2020/P3 in HCFR and using your P3 in BT2020 Sweep?
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I believe they are to be used to show how your device/display combo does with subsampling at each level indicated by the filename of each.

Speaking of the Chroma subsampling patterns @mascior , extended info shows they were all mastered to 1000 nit (according to the Oppo 203); are they supposed to be mastered as indicated by each filename (i.e. 100nit, 500nit, 1000nit)?
All three of the test patterns should have a Mastering display luminance of 1,000 cd/m2. However, the content is independently graded at 100, 500, and 1000 cd/m2 respectively. This should expose any chroma resolution discrepancies within the different nit levels, utilizing typical max mastering display luminanace of 1,000 nit. Thanks!

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Yes, I understand the purpose of them. My question was how to use them. What does one look for etc.?
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Here is a good article on chroma subsampling HERE, along with a few examples. Thanks!

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ii want to calibrate HDR with HFCR and your patterns. Is it correct to adjust Rec2020/P3 in HCFR and using your P3 in BT2020 Sweep?
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Typically, UHD-Rec2020 is utilized in conjunction with SMPTE 2084 HDR EOTF (HDR), along with 10-Bit targets checked. However, Rec2020/P3 would be the correct selection when measuring any of the P3 within a BT2020 container sweeps. Thanks!

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Last night during my HDR calibration on my KS9800, grayscale showed 1568.4 Nits for the 100% pattern, but on the 100% pattern CMS, now shows 1673.3 Nits.
Question here is why the difference, and, I'm to assume the grayscale 100% results were correct ?

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Last night during my HDR calibration on my KS9800, grayscale showed 1568.4 Nits for the 100% pattern, but on the 100% pattern CMS, now shows 1673.3 Nits.
Question here is why the difference, and, I'm to assume the grayscale 100% results were correct ?
What happens if you take a continuous measure over 100% white? Here with my KS7500 (8500 on USA) it gets as high as 950 nits, but it takes a few seconds to do it and after a while it will drop below 830...

Take a look if this "Peak to stabilization" process is happening...

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Diversified Video Solutions UHD|HDR-10 Test Pattern Suite (.ts/.mp4) update REV_019!

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Hello, I hate to ask a potentially stupid question but I use a Xbox One X as my primary device for media. What is the best way to utilize the suite on the One X? I ordered your blu-ray for the 1080p suite you offer, just can't fork out the extra for this disc. Figured download would be best. Thanks!

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Hello, I hate to ask a potentially stupid question but I use a Xbox One X as my primary device for media. What is the best way to utilize the suite on the One X? I ordered your blu-ray for the 1080p suite you offer, just can't fork out the extra for this disc. Figured download would be best. Thanks!
I'm interested in this as well. Or wondering if it is possible to use an Apple TV, nVidia Shield or TVs USB to display the patterns?

Ready to order once I know which source I need to use for SDR and HDR calibrations.

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Hello, I hate to ask a potentially stupid question but I use a Xbox One X as my primary device for media. What is the best way to utilize the suite on the One X? I ordered your blu-ray for the 1080p suite you offer, just can't fork out the extra for this disc. Figured download would be best. Thanks!
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I'm interested in this as well. Or wondering if it is possible to use an Apple TV, nVidia Shield or TVs USB to display the patterns?

Ready to order once I know which source I need to use for SDR and HDR calibrations.

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Regarding the following equipment listed above...I have tested a XBOX One "S" via USB with no luck (UltraHD Blu-ray disc version only). However, not with the XBOX One "X" as of yet. The ATV 4K should playback fine utilizing my latest pattern suite revision and I'm not quite sure about the nVidia Shield (however, based on spec...it should). Playback through your display/TV via USB should be fine. I updated the demo files linked at the beginning of the thread. You can use these demo files as a test reference and to check compatibility. Thanks! UHD_HDR10_Grayscale_Demo.zip

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