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What if I calibrated both to 80 nits 100% white with a 2% or 4% window. Or perhaps there's a better way to avoid drift interfering with the comparison
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What if I calibrated both to 80 nits 100% white with a 2% or 4% window. Or perhaps there's a better way to avoid drift interfering with the comparison
You can take continuous readings to check and find out for about how many seconds you will be OK.

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Easy enough solution. Thank you. Need more time to read up on alternate wp. Thanks so much for the quick responses gentlemen
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For those who asked, I updated the LG 2017 OLEDs Calibrated Settings for X1X (and for Gaming in general) adding Option 1 and Option 2 for both SDR/HDR:


Please also note that:
  • If you prefer Option 2 ("non-PC"), remember to adjust again all in-game HDR sliders around 4.000 nits when possible (or re-hide in-game logos);
  • Both SDR/HDR Option 2 ("non-PC") profiles' Sharpness is now set to 20 as, differently than Technicolor/ISF, 20 is its neutral value instead of 10;
  • HDR Game Color of Option 2 ("non-PC") is back to its default of 65 instead of 55 as, differently than Technicolor, 65 is the color match between those profiles
  • HDR Game Dynamic Contrast of Option 2 ("non-PC") is back to MEDIUM for the best accuracy/luminance ratio.
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For those who asked, I updated the LG 2017 OLEDs Calibrated Settings for X1X (and for Gaming in general) adding Option 1 and Option 2 for both SDR/HDR:


Please also note that:
  • If you prefer Option 2 ("non-PC"), remember to adjust again all in-game HDR sliders around 4.000 nits when possible (or re-hide in-game logos);
  • Both SDR/HDR Option 2 ("non-PC") profiles' Sharpness is now set to 20 as, differently than Technicolor/ISF, 20 is its neutral value instead of 10;
  • HDR Game Color of Option 2 ("non-PC") is back to its default of 65 instead of 55 as, differently than Technicolor, 65 is the color match between those profiles
  • HDR Game Dynamic Contrast of Option 2 ("non-PC") is back to MEDIUM for the best accuracy/luminance ratio.
Option 2 values slightly tuned:
  • SDR/HDR Game Color Temperature is back to W45 to perfectly match calibrated SDR/HDR Technicolor;
  • SDR/HDR Game Sharpness is back to 10 due to introduced artefacts in some other games/movies tested. Those were very marginal, but definitely not there in SDR/HDR Technicolor
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After several reruns of calibrations getting the white balance as near as possible to perfect, on each occasion I tried using the CMS and results are rubbish. The green drive is way out of line and any attempt to try and bring it back is futile as it remains stubbornly on the perimeter of the CIE chart. Red and Blue are acceptable but because of this green push secondary colours especially yellow which has a slight green bias, are affected adversely. So, as you suggest, don't even touch the CMS on an LG! Getting the WB as close as possible to perfect corrects a lot of the colour errors and leaves you with a beautiful picture! Leave the CMS alone!!

Since this I have found that if I use UHDTV DCI-P3 instead of HDTVRec709 all the colours fall into place including primary, secondary and saturation points. I'm also using CIE2000 for the Delta E as well. I've read that UHDTV TV's have a wider color range than HDTV Rec709 allows for which is why I couldn't get the Primary and secondary colours to fall into place. Using UHDTV DCI-P3 corrects this and it is easy to get everything in line. Comments?
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Can anyone tell me where I can find the Apl 28 patterns?

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You can use them with pattern generators, like the rpi.

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Since this I have found that if I use UHDTV DCI-P3 instead of HDTVRec709 all the colours fall into place including primary, secondary and saturation points. I'm also using CIE2000 for the Delta E as well. I've read that UHDTV TV's have a wider color range than HDTV Rec709 allows for which is why I couldn't get the Primary and secondary colours to fall into place. Using UHDTV DCI-P3 corrects this and it is easy to get everything in line. Comments?
You are making a poor choice there. If you go back now and measure with Rec 709 as your target, you might find you haven't made the improvement you think you have. Your SDR content isn't being mastered at DCI-P3, but at Rec 709, so the colors won't be correct.
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Hi Rolls Royce, I understand what you are saying. I have used Rec709 a number of times and while I can get near perfect white balance and grey scale, getting the colour right is another matter! Having done the grey scale and got a great result I then move on and do a primary and secondary sweep. The resulting CIE chart gives a result in which blue, cyan and magenta fall more or less on target but all the others are extended well beyond the 709 triangle. Trying to pull them back results in too pale colours and in the case of green it is all but impossible to adjust it to anywhere near the 709 target! If I merely change the colorspace to DCI-P3 using the results I've obtained nothing changes except that all the colour readings change and fall on the DCI-P3 targets. This is without new readings just using the ones taken using Rec709! So am I doing something wrong here?
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Terry, you shouldn't be using Native gamut unless you are also using an external 3D LUT box. It would give you enough control to make comprehensive adjustments down to Rec 709 targets. The set's own controls won't allow that without artifacts. If your TV has a colorspace setting for Rec. 709, SDR, or Auto, I'd advise using one of those instead, and live with what you get that way. The overall idea here is to match the gamut to that used by the content you are viewing, not to another gamut chosen - in essence - to make your dEs look better.

Trust me, I do also have to deal with the issue of gamut. Our 2000 vintage CRT big screen in the living room has a gamut that is very close to Rec 709 for both Red and Blue, but Green is both very undersaturated and off-hue and cannot be corrected using the TV's controls, so the overall gamut is smaller than Rec 709. I've created a custom color space for it within CalMAN and use that when generating a 3D LUT for the Radiance connected to it. The main purpose for using that is to make sure that what gamut there is, is linear, since the TV can't be made to produce full Rec 709 even with a LUT box.

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Thanks Rolls-Royce for that comprehensive reply! I guess what you're saying is - get the grey scale spot on and leave the CMS alone, and use the auto setting for color gamut??
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Thanks Rolls-Royce for that comprehensive reply! I guess what you're saying is - get the grey scale spot on and leave the CMS alone, and use the auto setting for color gamut??
Absolutely. You might be able to make SMALL changes, but LG's CMS can cause problems if you go big...

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Ok, we'll have a run through today. The biggest mover in the CMS was magenta which needed a whopping +25 out of the max of 30 in the hue to correct it! The maximum movement of any other colour was -12. Thanks again for your info.
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I'm still confused about two things with the C7...I've read many posts with differing opinions on this...right now I have Sharpness set to 10 across all modes and Edge Enhancer turned ON for all modes...is there a definitive answer to this:

1) what should Sharpness be set to?...meaning what is the best setting is with no additional Sharpness added to the image...normally the answer would be 0 (zero) but many people on here have stated to keep it at 10 because anything below 10 softens the image...even a well known calibrator on here stated to keep it at 10 ( @jrref )...is 10 the correct setting?

2) Edge Enhancer...this is another one giving me a headache...earlier in this thread some people tested this and stated that Edge Enhancer OFF disables the Sharpness control and Edge Enhancer ON enables the Sharpness control...somebody tested it with all the Picture Modes and stated the following: "Set Sharpness to 0 and then switch back and forth between Edge Enhancer ON/OFF and you'll see no change to the picture. Next, max out Sharpness to 50. Now switch back and forth between Edge Enhancer ON/OFF. You'll see a normal unsharpened image with OFF and ugly sharpening with ON. If you want to bypass artificial sharpening, keep Edge Enhancer OFF"

the 2nd question goes hand in hand with my first question about Sharpness...so if I set Sharpness to 10 and disable EE then that means that my Sharpness setting of 10 will not be recognized...I hope some of the experts on here can give me a definitive answer to these questions...thanks!
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Sharpness should be set to 0 but for me it's more personal preference. For my b7 sharpness is set to 18 and edge enhancer is off but super resolution is set to high. Try it. For me picture is more pleasant on this settings.

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I'm still confused about two things with the C7...I've read many posts with differing opinions on this...right now I have Sharpness set to 10 across all modes and Edge Enhancer turned ON for all modes...is there a definitive answer to this:

1) what should Sharpness be set to?...meaning what is the best setting is with no additional Sharpness added to the image...normally the answer would be 0 (zero) but many people on here have stated to keep it at 10 because anything below 10 softens the image...even a well known calibrator on here stated to keep it at 10 ( @jrref )...is 10 the correct setting?

2) Edge Enhancer...this is another one giving me a headache...earlier in this thread some people tested this and stated that Edge Enhancer OFF disables the Sharpness control and Edge Enhancer ON enables the Sharpness control...somebody tested it with all the Picture Modes and stated the following: "Set Sharpness to 0 and then switch back and forth between Edge Enhancer ON/OFF and you'll see no change to the picture. Next, max out Sharpness to 50. Now switch back and forth between Edge Enhancer ON/OFF. You'll see a normal unsharpened image with OFF and ugly sharpening with ON. If you want to bypass artificial sharpening, keep Edge Enhancer OFF"

the 2nd question goes hand in hand with my first question about Sharpness...so if I set Sharpness to 10 and disable EE then that means that my Sharpness setting of 10 will not be recognized...I hope some of the experts on here can give me a definitive answer to these questions...thanks!
https://www.lg.com/us/support/produc...OLED%20TVs.pdf
The translation of the note that came with your TV (maybe online only) is edge enhancement 'on' allows you to use sharpness control and 'off' disables the sharpness control.
Get a 4k 'sharpness' jpeg off the internet and you can see for yourself what happens as you scroll from 0 to 50 sharpness.
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https://www.lg.com/us/support/produc...OLED%20TVs.pdf
The translation of the note that came with your TV (maybe online only) is edge enhancement 'on' allows you to use sharpness control and 'off' disables the sharpness control.
Get a 4k 'sharpness' jpeg off the internet and you can see for yourself what happens as you scroll from 0 to 50 sharpness.
but there were rumors that it only applied in HDR and not SDR Picture Modes...again lots of conflicting information out there
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LAST LG 2017 OLEDs + X1X/webOS CALIBRATION EDIT:

  • V4 / (non-PC) HDR Game Mode was finally fixed by LG starting with Official Firmware 5.80.10, and is now the recommended method for X1X HDR Calibration
  • SDR/HDR Color Temperature is back to W50 in order to get as close as possible to calibrated HDR Technicolor Expert colors
  • Recommended HDR Luminance in games' slider (if available) is now 4.000 nits
  • SDR webOS Gamma is now BT.1886 ("GAMMA1" or "HIGH1" for SDR Game)

More info -> here

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Hi,

Here are my HDR settings after calibration setting on my 65B7. (I said I would post about a month ago...been busy)
TV is about a year old
Using Calman Business bundle and Technicolor mode on the TV. For calibration everything off.

My largest issue is with Red, could not fix it with CMS. I checked with content I caught from a studio colorist to see if anything as wacked as it seems my 20 point greyscale is extreme.
Looked comparable to the $30K monitor.

I will go back through this thread and others to see if I figure why my Red seems so recalcitrant.

I may go and touch up the midrange greyscale.

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Format Level, R,G,B

277 0,0,0
345 0,0,0
412 -3,-1,1
446 -12-9-11
480 -18,-14,16
498 -27,-23,-30
513 -26,-23,-25
530 -33,-26,28
544 -33,-29,-31
561 -39,-32,-35
571 -43,-36,-44
584 -45,-39,-44
604 -43,-40,-40
617 -45,-42,-45
632 -45,-36,-42
647 -45,-41,-44
663 -45,-39,-41
678 -40,-32,-40
693 -45,-37,-44
1023 -5,6,-2

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Format Color S,T,L
Red 0,0,0 Nothing I did here did anything much, so left it a 0 in fear of it messing something up
Green 20,30,17
Blue 9,0,5
Cyan 14,-5,12
Magenta 5,0,6
Yellow 6,2,12
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Very small tweak for calibrated 2017 LG OLED's HDR Game mode:

  • V4.1: HDR Game Color value slightly tuned down from 65 to 62 to be even more closer to calibrated HDR Technicolor


More info and all settings here
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An update for LG 2017 OLEDs - Calibrated Settings for Xbox One X / Gaming:

  • Added V5 - EXPERIMENTAL HDR Game profile tuned for HIGH Dynamic Contrast: it's a totally new proposal for a MUCH brighter HDR (even more bright than HDR Technicolor with Active HDR) trying also to eredicate most of HIGH DC negative effects and be as accurate as possible at the same time. FEEDBACK IS WELCOMED

To eliminate/compensate HIGH Dynamic Contrast negative effects on PQ:

EDIT (14/12/2018):
  • Raised Brightness from 50 to 53: this will fix most introduced black crush, while some will remain very slightly. It's the highest value that can be set before loosing "perfect blacks" of OLEDs;
  • Color Gamut set from Auto to WIDE + Color 44: when DC is set to High, I noticed that Auto color gamut will suddenly show wrong/muted colors (especially muted oranges/yellows and magenta) and all of them become undersaturated. Switching to WIDE made oranges/yellows back to normal, and considering WIDE is oversaturated with same settings compared to Auto, setting its Color to 44 gave back a very comparable accuracy to Technicolor
  • Color Temperature is back to W50

I'm very impressed by far with this new experiment, as I was able to achieve an even brighter image than HDR Technicolor with Active HDR, but with no highlights clipping (typical of PC HDR Standard) and mostly accurate colors. The only visible downside is a very very slight black crush, that can not be fixed without losing also perfect blacks, but it's not bad at all.

Both Battlefield V and Forza Horizon 4 look mind blowing with this new setup, but any FEEDBACK to further improve it is always welcomed.

Give it a spin and let me know what you think
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An update for LG 2017 OLEDs - Calibrated Settings for Xbox One X / Gaming:

I like the new V5 Experimental. It does crush a little black but it is not noticeable in games. This V5 looks amazing, i can now finally enjoy HDR in full potential when gaming. Like the Tehnicolor for SDR you made, seems to me it is very accurate. Only thing that i change was gamma to 2.2. Think 2.2 looks better because it does not crush blacks so much like BT.1886. With 2.2 i can still get that super deep blacks on most movie content.
I have LG65B7.

Still need to experiment with Tehnicolor SDR if BT.1886 with 54 brightness is better than Gamma 2.2 with 50 or 49 Brightness. But 90% i will stick to Gamma 2.2.

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I like the new V5 Experimental. It does crush a little black but it is not noticeable in games. This V5 looks amazing, i can now finally enjoy HDR in full potential when gaming. Like the Tehnicolor for SDR you made, seems to me it is very accurate. Only thing that i change was gamma to 2.2. Think 2.2 looks better because it does not crush blacks so much like BT.1886. With 2.2 i can still get that super deep blacks on most movie content.
I have LG65B7.

Still need to experiment with Tehnicolor SDR if BT.1886 with 54 brightness is better than Gamma 2.2 with 50 or 49 Brightness. But 90% i will stick to Gamma 2.2.
Thanks, I've just updated it to 5.1 after further testing, and slightly adjusting Color to 44 + Color Temp W50 for an even more comparable accuracy with calibrated HDR Technicolor reference.

For SDR BT.1886 vs 2.2 , I also tested this a lot on X1X and Netflix webOS app, and what I found was that Xbox Dashboard will have a lot of black crush as it is optimized for 2.2, but then 90% of all SDR games and all movies are tweaked for BT.1886 in mind, and in a Dark Room they will just look better and more accurate, with more uniform blacks and greyscale.

Keep in mind that with 2.2, most SDR Games' default video settings will always be "not calibrated" as you would always need to manually lower Brightness or Gamma a bit to make games logo "fade" etc.
This won't happen with BT.1886, and games would basically be auto calibrated by default, same for movies.

If you find black to be too much prominent, I would rise SDR Brightness to 51 or 52, but I would not go far than that to avoid losing pure blacks.
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LAST EDIT TO LG 2017 OLEDs SDR/HDR Game Modes:

  • V5.2 / (non-PC) HDR Game Mode is now the recommended option for X1X HDR Calibration (with Color back to 48 to counter some color washing added by DC, e.g. fixing "vampire skins")
  • SDR (All modes) recommended Gamma is back to 2.2 / MEDIUM (to counter noticeable black crush in movies, thanks couch_ech for reporting it, you were right)
  • V5 - EXPERIMENTAL promoted as the recommended HDR Game profile

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Can anyone comment on what the most accurate correction file is for DisplayCal?
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Hey P40L0!

Can you please check with the calibration instrument colors for the dark room setting when oled light is at 40% or less? I'm using this test patterns, i have tried the BT.1886 gamma in the technicolor user "webOS + SDR Calibrated Settings" with oled light 40%. But i think 2.2 gamma works also good in the pitch black dark room. What are your thoughts?
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LG 2017 OLEDs - HDR Game Mode - DEFINITIVE CALIBRATION:

  • NEW V5.3 / (non-PC) HDR Game Mode is now the recommended option for X1X/PS4 Pro HDR Calibration
  • SDR (All Modes) recommended Gamma is back to 2.2 / MEDIUM
  • Recommended HDR Luminance in games' slider (if available) is now 4.000 nits

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  • Stealth HDR Game mode minor update up V5.3.2
  • Also updated all non-Game profiles enabling TruMotion with De-Judder: 0 + De-Blur: 0 to fix introduced motion stuttering on 60hz contents after firmware 5.80.xx (both SDR/HDR Game modes are not affected)
^^

More info and all calibrated presets available -> here


That's it folks.
As per "Definitive" tag, I really finished my ammo on LG 2017 OLED Series this time and I won't make any further tests after these results.

The only way to add improvement on top of this would be by LG to add real Dynamic Tonemapping also for 7 series (but probably this will never happen).

Until then, thanks everyone for all the feedback, it was an epic ride.

Make your HDR games scream! >:]
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Thanks Rolls-Royce for that comprehensive reply! I guess what you're saying is - get the grey scale spot on and leave the CMS alone, and use the auto setting for color gamut??

Hi, If you select Auto, it will select automatically the REC.709 gamut mapping when it will see SDR content and REC.2020 when it will see HDR10 content as input signal.

When you calibrate for SDR, you will see REC.709 as colorspace target, while when you calibrate for HDR10 you should select REC.2020 as colorspace target.

DCI-P3 is not a consumer colorspace, so you should not aim for that colorspace when you calibrating any consumer device.

REC.2020 is the only colorspace you have to aim for HDR10 calibration, because displays can't cover that colorspace completely, we are using lower Saturation level (50%) and lower Stimulus Level (50%) patterns.

REC.2020 is being used as container, most of current UHD movies has been mastered using DCI-P3 primaries with REC.2020 D65 White Point calibrated mastering monitors, so colors beyond that gamut coverage are not being used (currently) to most of the movies.

Because most of the consumer HDR displays are not covering 100% the DCI-P3 primaries (inside REC.2020 container), this is why we are using REC.2020 with 50% Saturation patterns for HDR CMS, because xy of 50% Saturation REC.2020 is undersaturated from 100% Saturation of DCI Primaries (inside REC.2020 container), so it's a target that you can reach when the CMS controls of the display are working as expected.

You can use DCI-P3 Saturation tracking inside a REC.2020 container to evaluate the display tracking of DCI-P3 inside REC.2020 (where previously have calibrated the display with REC.2020 as target colorspace).

The RGB triplets for patch generation of P3 primaries vs. P3 primaries inside a REC.2020 are totally different.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
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Ok, we'll have a run through today. The biggest mover in the CMS was magenta which needed a whopping +25 out of the max of 30 in the hue to correct it! The maximum movement of any other colour was -12. Thanks again for your info.
When you are applying such large adjustments with LG CMS, always use a color ramp pattern to validate for issues.

A good way of testing what is happening with CMS adjustments enabled/disabled, is to copy paste all your ISF-Dark settings to ISF-Bright, including all 2/20-Point RGB balance but not copy CMS settings. Then using TV remote swap between the 2 picture modes while you will display some color ramp patterns to see if the picture mode with CMS adjustments is adding banding/false contouring/clipping or other issues.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
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